Shocking video of guards in Dublin today

SEPT 23 1989 · 20-07-2014 08:57AM

Reminds me of the Rodney King incident that started the unpleasantness in los Angeles

20Cent · 20-07-2014 08:58AM

Red21 wrote: »

Seriously???

This didn't happen, this is what happened
At 16 sec's, three guards begin to move protester, he resists immediately

From the 22nd second to the 25th second, two guards manage to successfully carry the protestor

At sec 26, the guard at his head, lost his grip of the protesters left slieve while trying to avoid the protesters leg and the other guard looks back to see where he's going, After this the guard can be clearly seen trying to get a better hold of the protester

The end of the 27sec to mid 29 sec is when his head is dragged, less than 2 seconds, on 30 sec's the guard at his feet places the protesters feet on the ground
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Not a single item of clothing offered up from any of the protesters or photographers

When and who should have taken a moment? Tell me the guard or guards on the clip who should have taken a moment

I suppose it depends when the seizure started looks to me like it was right at the start, he drops like a sack of spuds. You seem to think it was later. He was clearly spasming guards took that as resisting instead of recognising a seizure which they should be able to do. Dragging his face along the road like that was rank amateur. Think brutality is to strong a word more they were unprepared and over eager with the violence.

Tipsy McSwagger · 20-07-2014 08:59AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Reminds me of the Rodney King incident that started the unpleasantness in los Angeles

It's nothing like the Rodney King video.

gctest50 · 20-07-2014 09:02AM

20Cent wrote: »

I suppose it depends when the seizure started looks to me like it was right at the start, he drops like a sack of spuds.........

Yip right at the start he drops

- but the rent-a-crusty-protester crowd do that play dead thing

so you can understand why the police may have thought he was acting the maggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diUXry85Qzg

20Cent · 20-07-2014 09:06AM

gctest50 wrote: »

Yip right at the start he drops

- but the rent-a-crusty-protester crowd do that play dead thing

Pretty libellous statement there against this poor guy.
Suppose the Irish media conditions everyone to consider dissent the be automatically bad so to be expected.

The Aussie · 20-07-2014 09:09AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Rent a crowd knobends.

About sums it up...

Although if you look at Adel J Kings other contributions (#LOL@U) it's clear her anti establishment mentality, pure Renta Crowd drain on society while protesting against it... W@ANKER.

bumper234 · 20-07-2014 09:10AM

20Cent wrote: »

What is it with right wingers and their desire to be ordered about by men in uniform

What is it with left wing crusties who feel they can protest wherever they want causing disruption to people going about their business and then feeling that the laws of the land don't apply to them?

bumper234 · 20-07-2014 09:11AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Reminds me of the Rodney King incident that started the unpleasantness in los Angeles

:rolleyes:

Yeah

That's exactly what it looks like.

Royal Legend · 20-07-2014 09:15AM

EyeSight wrote: »

I'm glad the person who uploaded this got it copyrighted

I don't think it's brutality. The guy was resisting, what were they supposed to do? All they did was try to push/drag him away, they didn't beat him or anything.
It wasn't good his head got dragged but it looked like they tried to lift him, he was fighting and fell back. Once they noticed him being dragged they stopped. Were they also supposed to know he was epileptic before this? this is coming from someone who has 0 faith in the gardai
If he didn't resist nothing would have happened.

Edit: I have encountered these pro-Palestine protesters before. They're incredibly rude pricks

+1 and they are protesting in the wrong country

UCDVet · 20-07-2014 09:16AM

I don't know what people expect. Have you ever tried to carry someone who doesn't want to be carried? A grown man noless? This guy is actively resisting, kicking his legs, squirming. I'm not surprised they dropped him. And I can't say I see any reason to feel bad for him.

20Cent · 20-07-2014 09:17AM

UCDVet wrote: »

I don't know what people expect. Have you ever tried to carry someone who doesn't want to be carried? A grown man noless? This guy is actively resisting, kicking his legs, squirming. I'm not surprised they dropped him. And I can't say I see any reason to feel bad for him.

Because he was having a seizure .

20Cent · 20-07-2014 09:20AM

bumper234 wrote: »

What is it with left wing crusties who feel they can protest wherever they want causing disruption to people going about their business and then feeling that the laws of the land don't apply to them?

The laws of the land provide for the right to protest the alternative is to ban all protests would you like that?

Guy:Incognito · 20-07-2014 09:20AM

20Cent wrote: »

Because he was having a seizure .

So why does she say hes going to have a seizure after they put him down if he was already well into one? She has an agenda to make it look worse yet she didnt think he was already having one.

But sure you saw the video on you tube so your the expert witness.

bumper234 · 20-07-2014 09:21AM

20Cent wrote: »

The laws of the land provide for the right to protest the alternative is to ban all protests would you like that?

Nope

Protest all you like, doesn't mean you automatically have the right to break the law though.

dav3 · 20-07-2014 09:21AM

There are probably ways to remove peaceful protesters, I doubt this is one of them. With confidence in the Guards at an all time low because of cover-ups and corruption throughout the entire organisation, this doesn't help.
I know there are Guards in this thread desperate to spin it in their favour. But the evidence is pretty damning.

The Aussie · 20-07-2014 09:22AM

20Cent wrote: »

Because he was having a seizure .

And the 2 Guards are supposed to know he is prone to epilepsy how?

We don't know if the kicking out at the Guard was part of the epilepsy or just resisting, how was the Guards removing a protester to know either???

Guy:Incognito · 20-07-2014 09:22AM

20Cent wrote: »

The laws of the land provide for the right to protest the alternative is to ban all protests would you like that?

You can protest. You just have to do it peacefully and with respect for others that have no interest in your protest and want to go about their business.

bumper234 · 20-07-2014 09:23AM

dav3 wrote: »

There are probably ways to remove peaceful protesters, I doubt this is one of them. With confidence in the Guards at an all time low because of cover-ups and corruption throughout the entire organisation, this doesn't help.
I know there are Guards in this thread desperate to spin it in their favour. But the evidence is pretty damning.

Yeah maybe next time just blast them with water cannon and a few darts of pepper spray. Quicker, easier and maybe next time they will think twice before refusing to follow instructions.

Guy:Incognito · 20-07-2014 09:23AM

dav3 wrote: »

There are probably ways to remove peaceful protesters, I doubt this is one of them. With confidence in the Guards at an all time low because of cover-ups and corruption throughout the entire organisation, this doesn't help.
I know there are Guards in this thread desperate to spin it in their favour. But the evidence is pretty damning

He's not a peaceful protester if he's kicking and resisting . They wouldn't have dropped him if he didn't.

20Cent · 20-07-2014 09:25AM

The Aussie wrote: »

And the 2 Guards are supposed to know he is prone to epilepsy how?

We don't know if the kicking out at the Guard was part of the epilepsy or just resisting, how was the Guards removing a protester to know either???

He was spasming not kicking out can be clearly seen. Any guard who can't recognise that has no business being a guard.

irishguy1983 · 20-07-2014 09:25AM

Surprised people are defending the Guards.

I couldn't give a hoot what happens in other countries - has no relevance to us.

dav3 · 20-07-2014 09:28AM

It's strange that you never see the Guards acting like this when the taxi men or farmers decide to bring Dublin to a standstill every so often, and in a much more aggressive manner. Why do you think that is?

Guy:Incognito · 20-07-2014 09:28AM

20Cent wrote: »

He was spasming not kicking out can be clearly seen. Any guard who can't recognise that has no business being a guard.

His friends didnot recognise it either because they think he's going to have a seizure in a minute. Maybe all the people that were there have a better idea of what was "clearly" happening than you.

The Aussie · 20-07-2014 09:30AM

20Cent wrote: »

He was spasming not kicking out can be clearly seen. Any guard who can't recognise that has no business being a guard.

That's actually funny, genuinely it is :pac:

A person who starts off resisting starts kicking, tell me exactly when it starts on the Video, especially if it can be "clearly seen" :rolleyes:

UCDVet · 20-07-2014 09:30AM

20Cent wrote: »

Because he was having a seizure .

Whether the movements he made were voluntary or not doesn't seem to matter much.

Whatever was happening, it was clear they were being instructed to move. Smart thing to do is to move. When they went to move him, he dropped. When they carried him, he kicked. He fell as a result of his kicking.

Intentional or not, doesn't seem fair to blame the guards for it. It was his actions that lead to him getting dropped. When the dropped him, they stopped. Nothing suggests they intentionally hurt him or used any excessive force.

If it was a seizure, that would be a great reason not to hold him liable for kicking at the guards. But that doesn't magically mean they should be able to carry him. He still weighs just as much.

Royal Legend · 20-07-2014 09:33AM

dav3 wrote: »

There are probably ways to remove peaceful protesters, I doubt this is one of them. With confidence in the Guards at an all time low because of cover-ups and corruption throughout the entire organisation, this doesn't help.
I know there are Guards in this thread desperate to spin it in their favour. But the evidence is pretty damning.

Do you know that there are garda posting in this thread?

as far as I can tell, its just honest, law abiding people who are posting a different view of what occurred, namely that if you ignore the law of the land then you face the consequences.
the Garda cannot drop their guard (excuse the pun) when tackling someone because they take a turn, it could be put on, they could make a mistake and the guy turns on them, hits them, stabs them, it happens, so they have to take the approach of zero tolerance, also if someone is resisting a request as in this instance, they need to remove him before he incites others to follow his lead and it turns into an uglier situation.
Its interesting that this Adele King one seems to be ready and waiting to post these kind of videos, if the person had not resisted the request of the garda there would be no video, so you have to think that this was staged and they wanted to have something to show as no one even knew of this demonstration in Dublin

20Cent · 20-07-2014 09:33AM

The Aussie wrote: »

That's actually funny, genuinely it is :pac:

A person who starts off resisting starts kicking, tell me exactly when it starts on the Video, especially if it can be "clearly seen" :rolleyes:

Looks to me like the seizure started right at the start when he drops down.
Bit sick finding that funny tbh

Royal Legend · 20-07-2014 09:37AM

It appears that there are doctors in this thread as well as Guards

ctrl-alt-delete · 20-07-2014 09:37AM

Super-Rush wrote: »

Ladies and gentlemen i would like to welcome you all to the Saturday night garda thread.

I will be your host and the ever lovely Whoopsadaisydoodles will be your referee.

Snacks will be served shortly, please take your seats and switch off all mobile phones.

Have I missed the snacks?

bumper234 · 20-07-2014 09:38AM

20Cent wrote: »

Looks to me like the seizure started right at the start when he drops down.
Bit sick finding that funny tbh

Is there a precursor to the fit? Do you know for sure he is having a fit straight away or is he doing the usual protester thing of going floppy which then takes 2/3 guards to remove him? When they are moving him it certainly looks like he is deliberately kicking out at first. Either way as stated already, if he had followed instructions and moved as he was asked then there would not have been an incident and therefore no video. Too many these days whipping out phones and filming these things and then selectively editing the footage before posting on youtube.

Shocking video of guards in Dublin today

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