Shocking video of guards in Dublin today

Red21 · 20-07-2014 02:40AM

20Cent wrote: »

Was he trying to sit on the road or was that the start of the fit. Can't tell from the video.

Seriously???

20Cent wrote: »

Dragging him off the road with his head on the ground.

This didn't happen, this is what happened
At 16 sec's, three guards begin to move protester, he resists immediately

From the 22nd second to the 25th second, two guards manage to successfully carry the protestor

At sec 26, the guard at his head, lost his grip of the protesters left slieve while trying to avoid the protesters leg and the other guard looks back to see where he's going, After this the guard can be clearly seen trying to get a better hold of the protester

The end of the 27sec to mid 29 sec is when his head is dragged, less than 2 seconds, on 30 sec's the guard at his feet places the protesters feet on the ground
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20Cent wrote: »

They should also have put a jacket under his head when it was clear it was a fit..

Not a single item of clothing offered up from any of the protesters or photographers

20Cent wrote: »

Take a few seconds be patient it's an emotive issue for a lot of people think and see what's happening before using violence.

When and who should have taken a moment? Tell me the guard or guards on the clip who should have taken a moment

gctest50 · 20-07-2014 02:41AM

carzony wrote: »

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Btw... if they introduce that fitness test every few years for Guards that group in the video are ****ed lol..

???? thats the new PPE safety vest

KELTICKNIGHTT · 20-07-2014 02:42AM

Red21 wrote: »

The actions of the 2 guards involved suggested they did care they cared enough to stop after about 1.5 seconds, thats how quick it happened, how do you know that on looking guards didn't care

Are you serious. Are you saying its acceptable behaviour by guards when you clearly see he's having a fit.
A bit of cop on wouldn't go astray with the guards .
Most people could see he was having a fit !

KERSPLAT! · 20-07-2014 02:44AM

carzony wrote: »

Why is it it's taking them 3 hours to respond to my car being robbed? yet a massive group of guards appear on youtube abusing people every week..

Btw... if they introduce that fitness test every few years for Guards that group in the video are ****ed lol..

It was an organised protest, I'm sure if they had notice on your car being robbed they'd be there too.

carzony · 20-07-2014 02:45AM

gctest50 wrote: »

???? thats the new PPE safety vest

no mate that's fatness.. look at the video again lol

Red21 · 20-07-2014 02:47AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Are you serious. Are you saying its acceptable behaviour by guards when you clearly see he's having a fit.
A bit of cop on wouldn't go astray with the guards .
Most people could see he was having a fit !

When could you tell he was having a fit and how can you tell at that point?
The clip is there so you can be very specific

KERSPLAT! · 20-07-2014 02:49AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Are you serious. Are you saying its acceptable behaviour by guards when you clearly see he's having a fit.
A bit of cop on wouldn't go astray with the guards .
Most people could see he was having a fit !

That's bull. As soon as they touch him he has a fit, how were they to know if he was having a fit or resisting? While watching the vid myself I thought he was resisting

SweetChaos · 20-07-2014 02:53AM

I also noticed they got annoyed when the ambulance didn't show up it was probably caught up in the backlog of traffic that they were causing in the first place

KELTICKNIGHTT · 20-07-2014 02:59AM

Red21 wrote: »

When could you tell he was having a fit and how can you tell at that point?
The clip is there so you can be very specific

Look again and watch the guy head and movements before and after he was lifted off the ground.

most people who see video will have there view but first thing most will see is the guys head dragging along the ground..fit or no fit. There's no excuse for that by trained guards .is there ?

Most people would be sad to see how guards handled it
while you look at video
Look how guards deal with it after being told several times he's having a fit
only one guard seemed to know what to do with guy having a fit.the rest of guards were clueless

KERSPLAT! · 20-07-2014 03:10AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Look again and watch the guy head and movements before and after he was lifted off the ground.

most people who see video will have there view but first thing most will see is the guys head dragging along the ground..fit or no fit. There's no excuse for that by trained guards .is there ?

Most people would be sad to see how guards handled it
while you look at video
Look how guards deal with it after being told several times he's having a fit
only one guard seemed to know what to do with guy having a fit.the rest of guards were clueless

When they realised he was having a fit they called an ambulance, allowed the lads friends who knew what to do in to tend to him and then put him in the recovery position. I'm not excusing the head dragging, that was uncalled for and disgusting to see but with regards to the rest of the video I think they did a perfectly good job.

They aren't trained EMTs, the only medical training they have is very basic and even if they were trained it's been pointed out more than once in the thread that there's not much you can do bar put something soft under their head and even that was called into question

Red21 · 20-07-2014 03:25AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Look again and watch the guy head and movements before and after he was lifted off the ground.

When ? what time on the clip? he was lifted several times

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

first thing most will see is the guys head dragging along the ground..fit or no fit. There's no excuse for that by trained guards .is there ?

The video is selective enough already you want to narrow it to about 2 seconds why would anyone not take all the video into account

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Look how guards deal with it after being told several times he's having a fit
only one guard seemed to know what to do with guy having a fit.the rest of guards were clueless

What exactly do you believe should've happened at this point? Who did what wrong? for all you know anyone of those other guards may have to deal with a child or family member at home who has fits everyday. How could you possibly tell they were clueless?

Iwasfrozen · 20-07-2014 03:39AM

20Cent wrote: »

They say jump you say how high.

In a situation like this when tensions are high you do. Question the order afterwards but non co-operation at the time will earn you a pair of handcuffs and rightly so.

upandcumming · 20-07-2014 03:48AM

Is it just me or is the subject of the 'brutality' always have some ailment or another? Every one of them asthmatic, epileptic, MS - you name it!

obplayer · 20-07-2014 03:51AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

In a situation like this when tensions are high you do. Question the order afterwards but non co-operation at the time will earn you a pair of handcuffs and rightly so.

Comply then complain. Correct approach.

superelliptic · 20-07-2014 04:04AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I hate the pigs as much as the next person, but it can be hard to know that someone would have an 'eppo'.

Having said that, they were very, very careless in the way they dragged him with his head in contact with the ground.

How mature :rolleyes:

Remind me who you will be phoning when you become the victim of a crime?

Conveniently the video was devoid of any context (like what are they protesting for example?)but it was fairly obvious that people were not following basic instructions from the guards to move to the other side of the road and later on became more of a hastle for the guy having the sezure than the guards were.

Also try to remember that guards are unarmed and do a tough job-usually in the service of a cynical public.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 20-07-2014 04:05AM

Red21 wrote: »

When ? what time on the clip? he was lifted several times

The video is selective enough already you want to narrow it to about 2 seconds why would anyone not take all the video into account

What exactly do you believe should've happened at this point? Who did what wrong? for all you know anyone of those other guards may have to deal with a child or family member at home who has fits everyday. How could you possibly tell they were clueless?

So your saying it's ok for guards to drag a the guys head along the ground ! As they did in video !
And
Are you saying the guards are not trained to deal with it
if you saw people dragging a guy with his head scraping along the ground.you think it be ok

Is it different for guards !!
Are you saying it ok ?

dr strangelove · 20-07-2014 04:25AM

Brutality? pffft, amateurs - needs more water canon, nightsticks and tear gas if you ask me

KELTICKNIGHTT · 20-07-2014 04:27AM

As you look at video more and more.
Those guards should be reported.
You can clearly see guys head dragged along the ground.. If guards couldn't see they dragged his head along the ground .then they should go specsavers !!. when you can see guards seeing what was happening .They should have picked him off ground and also holding him up side down from time they pick him up was very in responsible guards or not.
Some cop on was needed. By guards.
It's not acceptable if anyone dragged anyone like this

JerCotter7 · 20-07-2014 04:56AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

As you look at video more and more.
Those guards should be reported.
You can clearly see guys head dragged along the ground.. If guards couldn't see they dragged his head along the ground .then they should go specsavers !!. when you can see guards seeing what was happening .They should have picked him off ground and also holding him up side down from time they pick him up was very in responsible guards or not.
Some cop on was needed. By guards.
It's not acceptable if anyone dragged anyone like this

Need a hand moving those goalposts or do you got this?

suicide_circus · 20-07-2014 07:28AM

The dragging of the guys face across the pavement is seriously out of line.

PeteFalk78 · 20-07-2014 08:01AM

A couple of rubber bullets was called for.

PeteFalk78 · 20-07-2014 08:02AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

The dragging of the guys face across the pavement is seriously out of line.

Was perfectly in line I thought. Straight along the double yellow one :P

brandon_flowers · 20-07-2014 08:06AM

Meanwhile in another European city the police behave far better. Pity we don't have these buckos around Ballsbridge or the GPO every now and then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DduI8kom5Pg

bumper234 · 20-07-2014 08:11AM

upandcumming wrote: »

Is it just me or is the subject of the 'brutality' always have some ailment or another? Every one of them asthmatic, epileptic, MS - you name it!

They are the protesters equivalent of Saddam's "human shield" method. Throw the disabled, sickly, afflicted to the front line, sure the guards will never touch us then.......oh wait:D

Hootanany · 20-07-2014 08:21AM

Sickening not content with breaking children's teeth dragging a poor epileptic guy face first across Tarmac, stay classy AGS

suicide_circus · 20-07-2014 08:21AM

I don't recall the gardai batton charging any octogenarians during the gray/oap protests a few years back. Guess they thought that wouldn't look great on youtube.

20-07-2014 08:24AM

I find it somewhat strange that I've never been assaulted or roughed up by our out of control brutal police force. Then again, maybe it's because I don't go making a nuisance of myself and inviting it on.

suicide_circus · 20-07-2014 08:28AM

Omackeral wrote: »

I find it somewhat strange that I've never been assaulted or roughed up by our out of control brutal police force. Then again, maybe it's because I don't go making a nuisance of myself and inviting it on.

Like the way girls in mini skirts invite rape?

EyeSight · 20-07-2014 08:42AM

I'm glad the person who uploaded this got it copyrighted

I don't think it's brutality. The guy was resisting, what were they supposed to do? All they did was try to push/drag him away, they didn't beat him or anything.
It wasn't good his head got dragged but it looked like they tried to lift him, he was fighting and fell back. Once they noticed him being dragged they stopped. Were they also supposed to know he was epileptic before this? this is coming from someone who has 0 faith in the gardai
If he didn't resist nothing would have happened.

Edit: I have encountered these pro-Palestine protesters before. They're incredibly rude pricks

20Cent · 20-07-2014 08:47AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

In a situation like this when tensions are high you do. Question the order afterwards but non co-operation at the time will earn you a pair of handcuffs and rightly so.

What is it with right wingers and their desire to be ordered about by men in uniform

Shocking video of guards in Dublin today

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