Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

Nodin · 19-07-2014 05:16PM

galwayrush wrote: »

They don't allow women into the shelters they have either.

Source?

You sure you have the right place?

http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/202200/israels-mens-only-bomb-shelters/?

speedboatchase · 19-07-2014 05:17PM

Nodin wrote: »

You seem confused. I've never advocated the removal of the Israeli state.

Apologies, it can be difficult to parse through those who are or aren't Hamas fanboys on here.

speedboatchase · 19-07-2014 05:19PM

Nodin wrote: »

Source?

You sure you have the right place?

http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/202200/israels-mens-only-bomb-shelters/?

Read the first comment of what you post:

"In response to the story the Rabbinical Courts Administration said the sign was a result of “the private actions of an employee without the knowledge of the management,” and that the sign was immediately removed.

“In practice, gender segregation was not implemented and nor will it be implemented when entering bomb shelters,” the administration said."

Zebra3 · 19-07-2014 05:19PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Here's another reality: you talking about the old borders means nothing, they aren't coming back. Israel is not going away. Get on with it and like most sane people, try to argue towards a solution that will lead us to a peaceful co-existence of two states.

Most sane people are against land theft.

Are you?

Nodin · 19-07-2014 05:20PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Read the first comment of what you post:

"In response to the story the Rabbinical Courts Administration said the sign was a result of “the private actions of an employee without the knowledge of the management,” and that the sign was immediately removed.

“In practice, gender segregation was not implemented and nor will it be implemented when entering bomb shelters,” the administration said."

It came up when I was searching for evidence of exclusion of gazan women from shelters.

speedboatchase · 19-07-2014 05:25PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Most sane people are against land theft.

Are you?

I am, but I'm also realistic. Arguments need to be focused on the here and now and though a two-state solution would likely have some concessions given by Israel to Palestine, people who endlessly talk on an existential plain about Israel have to realize that the country isn't going anywhere.

speedboatchase · 19-07-2014 05:27PM

Nodin wrote: »

It came up when I was searching for evidence of exclusion of gazan women from shelters.

I understand but the reason it was the top result was likely because it was a viral blog post; the comment was a follow-up that showed that the exclusion was not sanctioned and did not last long. It is borderline naive to believe that there's a moral equivalence between how Israel and Palestine treat women.

Zebra3 · 19-07-2014 05:30PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

I am, but I'm also realistic. Arguments need to be focused on the here and now and though a two-state solution would likely have some concessions given by Israel to Palestine, people who endlessly talk on an existential plain about Israel have to realize that the country isn't going anywhere.

But it is.

It is continuously expanding into Palestine.

Sadly the Israeli fanboys are happy enough to ignore Israel's never ending crimes.

Nodin · 19-07-2014 05:30PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

I understand but the reason it was the top result was likely because it was a viral blog post; the comment was a follow-up that showed that the exclusion was not sanctioned and did not last long. It is borderline naive to believe that there's a moral equivalence between how Israel and Palestine treat women.

Two sweeping generalisations in one. The ultra-orthodox are far from pleasant in the way they treat women. Palestinians encompass every view from hard core Marxist to wahabi sunni.

JC01 · 19-07-2014 05:32PM

Nodin wrote: »

Dear o dear. Deny the existence of expansion, then - when presented with evidence - deny that the expansion is expansion.

According to international law (and even the US acknowledges this), the settlements are illegal colonies. The annexation of Golan and Arab East Jerusalem have been declared null and void. I'd suggest facing reality.

Facing reality? Fine the reality is Israel are there and aint going anywhere. End of discussion.

For the craic though, who do you think rules the West Bank before 1967? And as for the Golan Heights, they are a strategic asset. During the 1948 war and again the six day war if the heights wer held by the Arabs, then Israel was doomed, it is not unusual for the victor in war to take land which can be used to destroy it.

speedboatchase · 19-07-2014 05:36PM

Nodin wrote: »

Two sweeping generalisations in one. The ultra-orthodox are far from pleasant in the way they treat women. Palestinians encompass every view from hard core Marxist to wahabi sunni.

Sure, Palestine and Israel have plenty of different groups and views within their countries, but in the eyes of the law, things are different. Palestine has sanctioned honour killings and Israel has legally guaranteed gender equality.

Nodin · 19-07-2014 05:38PM

JC01 wrote: »

Facing reality? Fine the reality is Israel are there and aint going anywhere. End of discussion.

For the craic though, who do you think rules the West Bank before 1967?.

Why? The land still isn't Israel's. Did you miss that bit about "international law"?

JC01 wrote: »

And as for the Golan Heights, they are a strategic asset. .

Doesn't matter a crap if they were a sure thing for the 2.30 at York, they still aren't Israels.

JC01 wrote: »

During the 1948 war and again the six day war if the heights wer held by the Arabs, then Israel was doomed, it is not unusual for the victor in war to take land which can be used to destroy it.

"the Arabs"? I'd no idea Israel had been at war with the nation of Arabistan. I refer you to the above mention of international law.

Royal Legend · 19-07-2014 05:41PM

I think the figures on the news last night as to people killed was Palestinians 230 plus, Israeli's 1

Just about sums up who the aggressors are

speedboatchase · 19-07-2014 05:52PM

Royal Legend wrote: »

I think the figures on the news last night as to people killed was Palestinians 230 plus, Israeli's 1

Just about sums up who the aggressors are

That's not how the term 'aggressor' works. Both sentences have nothing to do with each other.

By the way, everyone talking about 'proportion of deaths', is that how wars work now? Should Israel let a few rockets in to keep some of you happy? Either way, the killings will stop once Hamas feel like agreeing a ceasefire and honouring it.

tayto lover · 19-07-2014 06:23PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Apologies, it can be difficult to parse through those who are or aren't Hamas fanboys on here.

Very few "Hamas fanboys" here at all.
I can however understand their stance as they are being squeezed constantly by the big power that surrounds them.
That big power always takes a sledgehammer to crack a nut but as far as i'm concerned it's not really the nut they're after but the tree.

Nodin · 19-07-2014 06:23PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

That's not how the term 'aggressor' works. Both sentences have nothing to do with each other.

By the way, everyone talking about 'proportion of deaths', is that how wars work now? Should Israel let a few rockets in to keep some of you happy? Either way, the killings will stop once Hamas feel like agreeing a ceasefire and honouring it.

No. There's constant killings of Palestinians between this large outbreaks that the media never really pays heed to, plus house demolitions, raids, beatings, torture and settlement building. I think 14 were killed in the West Bank up to before those three lads being taken and killed.

wendell borton · 19-07-2014 06:36PM

JC01 wrote: »

Ah yes the West Bank and Jerusalem, both parts of the proud nation of Palestine before 1967...

The west bank was actually part of jordan before '67.

speedboatchase · 19-07-2014 06:40PM

Nodin wrote: »

No. There's constant killings of Palestinians between this large outbreaks that the media never really pays heed to, plus house demolitions, raids, beatings, torture and settlement building. I think 14 were killed in the West Bank up to before those three lads being taken and killed.

The act that led to the current conflict is without doubt the increase in rockets from Hamas, which sprang from the retaliatory killing of the Palestinian teenager. Even if there was 14 deaths, they didn't lead to the an overwhelming increase in rocket fire that led Israel to retaliate in such a way.

Guy:Incognito · 19-07-2014 07:25PM

Royal Legend wrote: »

I think the figures on the news last night as to people killed was Palestinians 230 plus, Israeli's 1

Just about sums up who the aggressors are

UK and US combined death toll in WW2 was under 1m.Germanys was closer to 10m . Clear from those figures that the Allies were the aggressors.

JC01 · 19-07-2014 07:26PM

wendell borton wrote: »

The west bank was actually part of jordan before '67.

Exactly the point I was making...

Nodin · 19-07-2014 07:38PM

JC01 wrote: »

Exactly the point I was making...

What point was that?

end of the road · 19-07-2014 09:14PM

Yamanoto wrote: »

“We’re using missile defense to protect our civilians, however we must kill palestinian children anyway so we can get more territory, we use the holicost to justify these terrorist actions and we don't care about international law and what it states as were the jews and were special. the fundamentalist extremist zionist terrorist war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu

fixed

end of the road · 19-07-2014 09:27PM

JC01 wrote: »

Facing reality? Fine the reality is Israel are there and aint going anywhere. End of discussion.

For the craic though, who do you think rules the West Bank before 1967? And as for the Golan Heights, they are a strategic asset. During the 1948 war and again the six day war if the heights wer held by the Arabs, then Israel was doomed, it is not unusual for the victor in war to take land which can be used to destroy it.

but it can't be used to destroy it, thats made up nonsense by israel, they just want more and more land, emotionally blackmailing america back in 1967 saved them, america should have left them to it, israel doesn't belong on that land, and their mythical king david doesn't exist and was made up

Capt'n Midnight · 19-07-2014 09:57PM

wexie wrote: »

Firing rockets at Israel however has a proven track record of success, no downsides to it either :rolleyes:

What successes have negotiations had ?

It's like the US government's Treaties with the Native Americans.

Search engine for the United Nations Security Council Resolutions
http://unscr.com/en/resolutions/
choose Israel as the topic and you get 193 hits.
Average of 3 a year since 1946

wes · 20-07-2014 10:43AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

UK and US combined death toll in WW2 was under 1m.Germanys was closer to 10m . Clear from those figures that the Allies were the aggressors.

You left out the Soviet death toll..... So your point is completely invalid. BTW, the Soviet death toll was 20 million. So looking at the figure honestly, you get a different conclusion, as opposed to one comparing Palestinians to Nazi's, which is a typical nasty thing to do, seeing as its the Palestinians who are being occupied by Israel, and that the most recent fighting was caused when Netanyahu broke the truce with Hamas, when arresting there member for a crime they didn't commit.

Then again, never let it be said, that supporters of Israel will ignore facts, when it suits, like for example , 20 million Soviet dead. BTW, also an incredibly nasty thing to ignore the 20 million Soviet dead from World War 2, just to try and score a cheap point, by ignoring the facts.

Son Of A Vidic · 20-07-2014 12:45PM

An amazing paradox is taking place right now on Boards.ie. We have a thread about a plane that was shot down. With some naive, deluded souls calling for a NATO confrontation/intervention with Russia. Yet last night, 40 more Palestinians civilians were murdered last night as the 'brave' IDF ramped up their operation turkey shoot. And the silence is deafening.

Joshua J · 20-07-2014 01:26PM

Just heard on the news there 413 Palestinians dead in 13 days. 413. Them Israelis are awful brave firing rockets from Apache helicopters into densely populated areas. So brave.

WakeUp · 20-07-2014 02:17PM

Gaza and the Palestinians are really being pounded. Hamas missiles still going into Israel who have warned journalists they aren't safe and their safety can not be guaranteed. apparently the Israeli intelligence minister gave an interview to a tv channel saying the plan maybe to occupy Gaza for seven months so that they can dismantle Hamas. If that's the plan it's about to get a whole lot worse for all concerned.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-20/over-50-killed-gaza-israel-shelling-fiercest-1967-war

wendell borton · 20-07-2014 02:33PM

wes wrote: »

You left out the Soviet death toll..... So your point is completely invalid. BTW, the Soviet death toll was 20 million. So looking at the figure honestly, you get a different conclusion, as opposed to one comparing Palestinians to Nazi's, which is a typical nasty thing to do, seeing as its the Palestinians who are being occupied by Israel, and that the most recent fighting was caused when Netanyahu broke the truce with Hamas, when arresting there member for a crime they didn't commit.

Then again, never let it be said, that supporters of Israel will ignore facts, when it suits, like for example , 20 million Soviet dead. BTW, also an incredibly nasty thing to ignore the 20 million Soviet dead from World War 2, just to try and score a cheap point, by ignoring the facts.

Well the soviets then went on to occupy eastern Europe, any attempts at reform such as Prague spring were crushed with force.

turnikett1 · 20-07-2014 02:34PM

Every time I've checked up on this blog I end up crying

It's hard to believe this is actually happening and western leaders across the world are openly supporting it. (note: it can get quite graphic)

http://live.aljazeera.com/Event/Gaza_Blog

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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