galwayrush wrote: » They don't allow women into the shelters they have either.
Nodin wrote: » You seem confused. I've never advocated the removal of the Israeli state.
Nodin wrote: » Source? You sure you have the right place?http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/202200/israels-mens-only-bomb-shelters/?
speedboatchase wrote: » Here's another reality: you talking about the old borders means nothing, they aren't coming back. Israel is not going away. Get on with it and like most sane people, try to argue towards a solution that will lead us to a peaceful co-existence of two states.
speedboatchase wrote: » Read the first comment of what you post: "In response to the story the Rabbinical Courts Administration said the sign was a result of “the private actions of an employee without the knowledge of the management,” and that the sign was immediately removed. “In practice, gender segregation was not implemented and nor will it be implemented when entering bomb shelters,” the administration said."
Zebra3 wrote: » Most sane people are against land theft. Are you?
Nodin wrote: » It came up when I was searching for evidence of exclusion of gazan women from shelters.
speedboatchase wrote: » I am, but I'm also realistic. Arguments need to be focused on the here and now and though a two-state solution would likely have some concessions given by Israel to Palestine, people who endlessly talk on an existential plain about Israel have to realize that the country isn't going anywhere.
speedboatchase wrote: » I understand but the reason it was the top result was likely because it was a viral blog post; the comment was a follow-up that showed that the exclusion was not sanctioned and did not last long. It is borderline naive to believe that there's a moral equivalence between how Israel and Palestine treat women.
Nodin wrote: » Dear o dear. Deny the existence of expansion, then - when presented with evidence - deny that the expansion is expansion. According to international law (and even the US acknowledges this), the settlements are illegal colonies. The annexation of Golan and Arab East Jerusalem have been declared null and void. I'd suggest facing reality.
Nodin wrote: » Two sweeping generalisations in one. The ultra-orthodox are far from pleasant in the way they treat women. Palestinians encompass every view from hard core Marxist to wahabi sunni.
JC01 wrote: » Facing reality? Fine the reality is Israel are there and aint going anywhere. End of discussion. For the craic though, who do you think rules the West Bank before 1967?.
JC01 wrote: » And as for the Golan Heights, they are a strategic asset. .
JC01 wrote: » During the 1948 war and again the six day war if the heights wer held by the Arabs, then Israel was doomed, it is not unusual for the victor in war to take land which can be used to destroy it.
Royal Legend wrote: » I think the figures on the news last night as to people killed was Palestinians 230 plus, Israeli's 1 Just about sums up who the aggressors are
speedboatchase wrote: » Apologies, it can be difficult to parse through those who are or aren't Hamas fanboys on here.
speedboatchase wrote: » That's not how the term 'aggressor' works. Both sentences have nothing to do with each other. By the way, everyone talking about 'proportion of deaths', is that how wars work now? Should Israel let a few rockets in to keep some of you happy? Either way, the killings will stop once Hamas feel like agreeing a ceasefire and honouring it.
JC01 wrote: » Ah yes the West Bank and Jerusalem, both parts of the proud nation of Palestine before 1967...
Nodin wrote: » No. There's constant killings of Palestinians between this large outbreaks that the media never really pays heed to, plus house demolitions, raids, beatings, torture and settlement building. I think 14 were killed in the West Bank up to before those three lads being taken and killed.
wendell borton wrote: » The west bank was actually part of jordan before '67.
JC01 wrote: » Exactly the point I was making...
Yamanoto wrote: » “We’re using missile defense to protect our civilians, however we must kill palestinian children anyway so we can get more territory, we use the holicost to justify these terrorist actions and we don't care about international law and what it states as were the jews and were special. the fundamentalist extremist zionist terrorist war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu
JC01 wrote: » Facing reality? Fine the reality is Israel are there and aint going anywhere. End of discussion. For the craic though, who do you think rules the West Bank before 1967? And as for the Golan Heights, they are a strategic asset. During the 1948 war and again the six day war if the heights wer held by the Arabs, then Israel was doomed, it is not unusual for the victor in war to take land which can be used to destroy it.
wexie wrote: » Firing rockets at Israel however has a proven track record of success, no downsides to it either :rolleyes:
Guy:Incognito wrote: » UK and US combined death toll in WW2 was under 1m.Germanys was closer to 10m . Clear from those figures that the Allies were the aggressors.
wes wrote: » You left out the Soviet death toll..... So your point is completely invalid. BTW, the Soviet death toll was 20 million. So looking at the figure honestly, you get a different conclusion, as opposed to one comparing Palestinians to Nazi's, which is a typical nasty thing to do, seeing as its the Palestinians who are being occupied by Israel, and that the most recent fighting was caused when Netanyahu broke the truce with Hamas, when arresting there member for a crime they didn't commit. Then again, never let it be said, that supporters of Israel will ignore facts, when it suits, like for example , 20 million Soviet dead. BTW, also an incredibly nasty thing to ignore the 20 million Soviet dead from World War 2, just to try and score a cheap point, by ignoring the facts.
