Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07

TitianGerm · 17-07-2014 02:02PM

Knex. wrote: »

Had a quick glance at the access requests and spotted a few people who posted in here during the WC, which is good. Might have a few more contributors soon.

Then I remembered Grayditch's request once more, and I laughed.

Its a good day.

I just got access at last. Where do I go to get my panda kit and a pack of 10p crisps

Washington Irving · 17-07-2014 02:04PM

DaveSuarez wrote: »

Why would Madrid do that when they could just match the 80m bid and offer the extra 10m to Suarez to insure he picks them? We were never gonna get more than his buyout clause.

Going back to Spockety's post, I doubt the club would have been foolish enough to deny themselves a potential bidding war. It would have been quite shortsighted not to have some bold print stating the high bidder gets first refusal if more than one club meets the clause. Evans' quotes make it that bit more plausible.

Anyway, he's gone so it's pointless talking about what might have happened if.

Oranage2 · 17-07-2014 02:06PM

Calvin Leong wrote: »

If siing Richards means we stp off Bertrand, I approve. Richards is a decent defender who's ltst his touch, which I'm sure Brendan can re-kindle. I think he can also play CB, which is decent too.

Is there an evidence that Rodgers can rekindle careers?

One thing I have noticed is that Rodgers is very quick to drop and isolate players he believes isn't doing a job for him: sahin, assaidi,Carroll, aspaz, Moses, Enrique etc

Another thing Liverpool have a great chance at attracting quality young players that could make a name for themselves, with the appeal of cl football but Rodgers seems to be going for players in a lower bracket.

Nuri Sahin · 17-07-2014 02:07PM

Enrique was always very good to excellent defensively, and while he had his moments when attacking, that was as a LW.

Utopia Parkway · 17-07-2014 02:08PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Another thing Liverpool have a great chance at attracting quality young players that could make a name for themselves, with the appeal of cl football but Rodgers seems to be going for players in a lower bracket.

Surely that describes Markovic almost exactly? Possibly even Can.

tritium · 17-07-2014 02:09PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Is he better than Flanagan, Johnson the players he would have to compete with for the RB slot? So we are buying Richards then as third choice RB maybe second?

The same can be said for Bertrand is he better than what we already have?
Is he better than Enrique, and a right footed Flanagan who made role is last season? So we are buying Bertrand to be third choice LB?

Its only my opinion but yes, if he could sort out his injury problems he's better than any that we have. Hes also extremely experienced for his age which will be vital next season. I'd welcome him ahead of a number if others we've been linked with

(Yay they let me into the soccer forum)

K-9 · 17-07-2014 02:10PM

I haven't seen much of Bertrand but Enrique isn't a bad LB, 360 turns and lack of a right foot aside. I wouldn't see much point in loaning Flanagan either. Very early to be saying Wisdom wont make it either.

Turtyturd · 17-07-2014 02:10PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Surely that describes Markovic almost exactly? Possibly even Can.

And Aspaz.

Calvin · 17-07-2014 02:13PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Is there an evidence that Rodgers can rekindle careers?

One thing I have noticed is that Rodgers is very quick to drop and isolate players he believes isn't doing a job for him: sahin, assaidi,Carroll, aspaz, Moses, Enrique etc

Another thing Liverpool have a great chance at attracting quality young players that could make a name for themselves, with the appeal of cl football but Rodgers seems to be going for players in a lower bracket.

Sturridge is the main man that comes to mind. Henderson and Coutinho as well, to a certain extent. Henderson looked certain to be on his way out and Coutinho wasn't even a starter at Inter (I think).

Agent Coulson · 17-07-2014 02:14PM

tritium wrote: »

Its only my opinion but yes, if he could sort out his injury problems he's better than any that we have. Hes also extremely experienced for his age which will be vital next season. I'd welcome him ahead of a number if others we've been linked with

(Yay they let me into the soccer forum)

That's the problem!

We have a stupid history in recent history of buy players with injury problems granted we spent alot more money on them Carroll and Aquilani cost a combined £52m and both were signed injured.

So we spend £7/8m on Richards and hope he doesn't break down something he hasn't be able to do for over 2 seasons now.

We could go for players like Aaron Cresswell and Kieran Trippier for the same kind of money and they would be a better gamble than Richards and Bertrand.

That money can be used better is all I'm saying.

We can and should be buying better than Richards and Bertrand!

K-9 · 17-07-2014 02:16PM

Rodgers did well with Henderson and Flanagan and excellent with Sterling. Moses and Aspas just weren't good enough really. Sahin probably the strange one!

Oranage2 · 17-07-2014 02:20PM

QUOTE=Calvin Leong;91316164]Sturridge is the main man that comes to mind. Henderson and Coutinho as well, to a certain extent. Henderson looked certain to be on his way out and Coutinho wasn't even a starter at Inter (I think).[/QUOTE]

I think themain reason Henderson looked out was because Rodgers tried to sell him for 2 million, coutinho was a very promising young player but he suffered a lot with injury and never really got started at inter. Sturidge had a lot of promise too but wasn't good enough for money bags Chelsea or city.

Granted he did get them all playing very well and in Daniels case exceptional so there is some merit to the argument.

Knex* · 17-07-2014 02:20PM

K-9 wrote: »

Rodgers did well with Henderson and Flanagan and excellent with Sterling. Moses and Aspas just weren't good enough really. Sahin probably the strange one!

My brain processed the full stop as a comma for a second, and I laughed out loud.

Nuri Sahin · 17-07-2014 02:21PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

And Aspaz.

Aspaz is it?

slingerz · 17-07-2014 02:27PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

You would wonder about a lot of things 'The Rodgers' does....Victory Moses being one.

Agree about Flanagan though, both him and Henderson were overrated last year.

Victory Moses was brought in to add depth to a painfully thin squad without relying on youth players.

Henderson is much further along the lines in terms of development as a player than Flanagan and has much greater scope for improving to an elite level IMO.

Liverpool need a squad of 22-24 players for the coming season. The likes of Richards/Bertrand make it a stronger 'squad' than what exists there already

Hangballlouie · 17-07-2014 02:34PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

QUOTE=Calvin Leong;91316164]Sturridge is the main man that comes to mind. Henderson and Coutinho as well, to a certain extent. Henderson looked certain to be on his way out and Coutinho wasn't even a starter at Inter (I think)

I think themain reason Henderson looked out was because Rodgers tried to sell him for 2 million, coutinho was a very promising young player but he suffered a lot with injury and never really got started at inter. Sturidge had a lot of promise too but wasn't good enough for money bags Chelsea or city.

Granted he did get them all playing very well and in Daniels case exceptional so there is some merit to the argument.

Source?

Turtyturd · 17-07-2014 02:34PM

slingerz wrote: »

Victory Moses was brought in to add depth to a painfully thin squad without relying on youth players.

Henderson is much further along the lines in terms of development as a player than Flanagan and has much greater scope for improving to an elite level IMO.

Liverpool need a squad of 22-24 players for the coming season. The likes of Richards/Bertrand make it a stronger 'squad' than what exists there already

But he loaned out a better player than Moses to bring Moses in.

Despite all that stuff Henderson was still overrated last year.

Additions to the squad should be brought in to be starting in their position, or with the view to being long term replacements for who we currently have in those positions, while being able to contribute now if required.

They should also be better than Bertrand and Richards.

Nuri Sahin · 17-07-2014 02:41PM

K-9 wrote: »

Rodgers did well with Henderson and Flanagan and excellent with Sterling. Moses and Aspas just weren't good enough really. Sahin probably the strange one!

Hindsight.

Serious lack of game time over the past year before moving to us, including missing out on two consecutive pre-seasons with Madrid and Liverpool. Always playing catch up fitness wise, and that's not forgetting the bad injury while in Madrid.

Buying Allen for big money was always going to see him get priority in the CM role.

Lucas getting injured forced Nuri to play as a destroyer at times which I said he wasn't capable of doing and saw him get criticised by some Liverpool fans. The Stoke game springs to mind. At Dortmund, he had Sebsatian Kehl or Sven Bender being the all out DM. Think Xabi and Mascherano for us.

Anyway, he's back in Dortmund and was one of our best players last season, was in Kicker's half way team of the year too, so it's all good now.

edit - and on that last point I almost forgot, he performed to a very high standard with basically half our team missing the entire season and most of the other midfielders out for lengthy periods of time.

Nuri Sahin · 17-07-2014 02:46PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

But he loaned out a better player than Moses to bring Moses in.

Despite all that stuff Henderson was still overrated last year.

Additions to the squad should be brought in to be starting in their position, or with the view to being long term replacements for who we currently have in those positions, while being able to contribute now if required.

They should also be better than Bertrand and Richards.

I don't think he was at all, tbh. Towards the end of the season after he picked up that red card against Man City, the midfield was not the same.

googled eyes · 17-07-2014 02:54PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

But he loaned out a better player than Moses to bring Moses in.

Despite all that stuff Henderson was still overrated last year.

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

I don't think he was at all, tbh. Towards the end of the season after he picked up that red card against Man City, the midfield was not the same.

I agree with Nuri. The heat is obviously getting to ya Turty

Osmosis Jones · 17-07-2014 02:59PM

I love Agger and don't want him leaving, but I've not been confident seeing him in the team recently. Would still like him to stay as a squad player but I don't think that'd go down well with him.

slingerz · 17-07-2014 02:59PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

But he loaned out a better player than Moses to bring Moses in.

Despite all that stuff Henderson was still overrated last year.

Additions to the squad should be brought in to be starting in their position, or with the view to being long term replacements for who we currently have in those positions, while being able to contribute now if required.

They should also be better than Bertrand and Richards.

Who did he loan out that was better than Moses. If its Suso then he's become one of those players who is rated highly despite never playing.

The snobbery factor here is ridic

K-9 · 17-07-2014 03:01PM

I wouldn't say over rated either, an important part of the team and starting to show the creativity and decision making needed for a good CM. Still young yet as well. Tbh I wouldn't blame Rodgers too much if he wanted to sell to buy Dempsey. That whole mess lies with Henry and FSG for me. He shouldn't have been in that position of scraping for pennies to buy him!

Oranage2 · 17-07-2014 03:02PM

hangballlouie wrote: »

Source?

Well I can't confirm the exact details of the deal as I'm not his agent but he was offered to fulham as an exchange for Clint Dempsey, and Henderson even admitted that Fulham was an option.

Turtyturd · 17-07-2014 03:02PM

I am not saying he's Jack Wilshere bad, he is good at what he does, running all over the place and hustling players for someone else to take the ball off them. I'd like to see more from him, better tackling, he can play killer passes (see his pass for Rampage Johnson which led to Suarez' goal v ???) he just doesn't do it often enough, and I'd like to see less shots in the stand.

Devilman40k · 17-07-2014 03:02PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

That's fair enough but that's just one player of the five Liverpool players who can play fullback. on the CB we already have 4 Internationls there and maybe 5 if Lovren joins.

Is he better than Flanagan, Johnson the players he would have to compete with for the RB slot? So we are buying Richards then as third choice RB maybe second?

The same can be said for Bertrand is he better than what we already have?
Is he better than Enrique, and a right footed Flanagan who made role is last season? So we are buying Bertrand to be third choice LB?

I think the answer to that is.... on recent form anyone is better than Johnson

billy2012 · 17-07-2014 03:03PM

MonkeyTennis · 17-07-2014 03:06PM

Would any of you fine Pandas be interested in a our own little fantasy premier league ?

Turtyturd · 17-07-2014 03:07PM

slingerz wrote: »

Who did he loan out that was better than Moses. If its Suso then he's become one of those players who is rated highly despite never playing.

The snobbery factor here is ridic

Assaidi would have been a better option than Moses, even came closer to 20 goals I think.

The willingness to settle for sub par players in here is ridic....ulous.

Hangballlouie · 17-07-2014 03:08PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Well I can't confirm the exact details of the deal as I'm not his agent but he was offered to fulham as an exchange for Clint Dempsey, and Henderson even admitted that Fulham was an option.

Well I can confirm that you have once again talked absolute pony on this forum. You basically made up a figure in your head and went with that.

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