Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07

Agent Coulson · 17-07-2014 12:50PM

slingerz wrote: »

Cant go signing first team starters all of the time. Liverpool need to build a squad and the likes of Bertrand/Richards would be squad options rather than first name on the teamsheet signings.

With the extra games due to the CL next season as well as a renewed focus for progress in the cups the squad needs to be improved to cope with the extra games. These players will do that and provide options to Rodgers.

Who are Bertrand/Richards better than what we already have in the squad?

We need better than what we already have in the squad!

Flanagan, Johnson, Enrique, Kelly, Wisdom are all equal too or better than those two.

Cartman78 · 17-07-2014 12:56PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Who are Bertrand/Richards better than what we already have in the squad?

We need better than what we already have in the squad!

Flanagan, Johnson, Enrique, Kelly, Wisdom are all equal too or better than those two.

Flanagan must be worth at least £25 million at this stage......flog him off to Real and use the proceeds to buy Moreno and pay off the rest of Johnson's contract

Agent Coulson · 17-07-2014 01:01PM

This is the point Flanagan & Enrique become the squad players and we buy two first team starters!

This is why buying Bertrand & Richards to me is a complete waste of money as neither of them are better than Flanagan & Enrique!

This needs to be done in every postition unless we are buying better than what we already have then don't buy anyone!

murpho999 · 17-07-2014 01:10PM

Gbear wrote: »

If he had a release clause, this statement doesn't make any sense.

Yes, it does, if both trigger the release clause then Liverpool are forced to sell but then it would have become a bidding war.

Knex* · 17-07-2014 01:11PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes, it does, if both trigger the release clause then Liverpool are forced to sell but then it would have become a bidding war.

Surely it would just come down to Suarez deciding which team he wanted to join for 75m?

Nuri Sahin · 17-07-2014 01:12PM

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Evans:"Real and Barca entered into a bidding war with Suarez, but after the bite, Madrid walked away. He could have been a £100m player"

Annoying. There were more options potentially in obtaining players from Real Madrid in swap + cash deal - Varane, Illarramendi, Isco, Di Maria and Carvajal compared to just Sanchez at Barca.

mormank · 17-07-2014 01:17PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Who are Bertrand/Richards better than what we already have in the squad?

We need better than what we already have in the squad!

Flanagan, Johnson, Enrique, Kelly, Wisdom are all equal too or better than those two.

Eh I'm not so sure about that tbh. Take kelly for example. Richards has a similar injury record to Kelly recently but wasnt always a sicknote, not sure the same could be said for Kelly. i like him as much as the next guy but to say he is equal or better than Richards is just plain wrong imo. Kelly has managed 33 appearances for us to date and has one england cap. Richards has played 179 times for city and has 13 england caps despite only being 2 years older than Kelly. Not to mention he has had to compete with expensively purchased international players in his position almost all his career, unlike Kelly. I would have thought Kelly as some catching up to do before you can say he is equal to Richards. Plus richards can cover at centre back, something we have all heard Kelly can do but have never actualy seen at senior level, bar maybe once.

Chip Whitley · 17-07-2014 01:18PM

Odd that Real Madrid would walk away after the bite. This is the club that has Pepe and Ramos on the books?! :eek:

Although maybe they didn't want the hassle of so many players suspended at the one time!

Knex* · 17-07-2014 01:19PM

Had a quick glance at the access requests and spotted a few people who posted in here during the WC, which is good. Might have a few more contributors soon.

Then I remembered Grayditch's request once more, and I laughed.

Its a good day.

Washington Irving · 17-07-2014 01:20PM

Gbear wrote: »

If he had a release clause, this statement doesn't make any sense.

Doesn't it? If there's, say, an £80m clause which Barcelona meet but Real Madrid then offer £90m can't LFC just sell to Madrid?

If someone meets the clause they can still be outbid before a deal is completed.

Knex. wrote: »

Surely it would just come down to Suarez deciding which team he wanted to join for 75m?

Technically, yeah. But I'd imagine LFC could deliberately act the knob over payment structures, or Ayre having his Harley break down on the way to the airport in order to delay the low bidder, if it came down to that.

Suarez didn't seem to have a preference either way and left on good terms so I personally don't think he'd have kicked up much of a fuss over the club wanting the highest fee possible.

spockety · 17-07-2014 01:21PM

Knex. wrote: »

Surely it would just come down to Suarez deciding which team he wanted to join for 75m?

Surely it would depend on the wording of any such clause in his contract.

You think Liverpool's lawyers would be stupid enough to put a clause in place which removes the possibility of a bidding war?

It could easily say that Liverpool must listen to and accept offers above 75m, but in the event of multiple interested parties it is the highest bid which determines the ultimate price regardless of which team ends up buying him.

Knex* · 17-07-2014 01:22PM

Washington Irving wrote: »

Doesn't it? If there's, say, an £80m clause which Barcelona meet but Real Madrid then offer £90m can't LFC just sell to Madrid?

If someone meets the clause they can still be outbid before a deal is completed.

Technically, yeah. But I'd imagine LFC could deliberately act the knob over payment structures, or Ayre having his Harley break down on the way to the airport in order to delay the low bidder, if it came down to that.

Suarez didn't seem to have a preference either way and left on good terms so I personally don't think he'd have kicked up much of a fuss over the club wanting the highest fee possible.

If its a legal contract stating that any sum of 75m, or more, must be accepted, then there is no reason for any team to bid over that 75m. The door is already opened, so to speak.

Edit: Reading spockety's post. Perhaps. But there's a lot of speculation there!

Agent Coulson · 17-07-2014 01:22PM

mormank wrote: »

Eh I'm not so sure about that tbh. Take kelly for example. Richards has a similar injury record to Kelly recently but wasnt always a sicknote, not sure the same could be said for Kelly. i like him as much as the next guy but to say he is equal or better than Richards is just plain wrong imo. Kelly has managed 33 appearances for us to date and has one england cap. Richards has played 179 times for city and has 13 england caps despite only being 2 years older than Kelly. Not to mention he has had to compete with expensively purchased international players in his position almost all his career, unlike Kelly. I would have thought Kelly as some catching up to do before you can say he is equal to Richards. Plus richards can cover at centre back, something we have all heard Kelly can do but have never actualy seen at senior level, bar maybe once.

That's fair enough but that's just one player of the five Liverpool players who can play fullback. on the CB we already have 4 Internationls there and maybe 5 if Lovren joins.

Is he better than Flanagan, Johnson the players he would have to compete with for the RB slot? So we are buying Richards then as third choice RB maybe second?

The same can be said for Bertrand is he better than what we already have?
Is he better than Enrique, and a right footed Flanagan who made role is last season? So we are buying Bertrand to be third choice LB?

17-07-2014 01:23PM

That ticketing system is terrible.

It was better when they used to reward supporters who go to certain games with a number that wasn't crazy, ie 14 games.

They still do for Everton and Utd tbf.

So after everything else selling out I still manage an Everton ticket. Picked up 3 yesterday but was really hoping for more.

The current stadium size is an embarrassment. Thankfully it's being addressed albeit 30 years too late.

Chip Whitley · 17-07-2014 01:26PM

I honestly think that there is a very good attacking fullback inside Richards, the same way I always thought there was huge potential in Sturridge. If anyone can get the best out of Richards it will be Rodgers, so I honestly think he's worth a punt for the 5/6m being quoted.

If we don't get Moreno, Flanno will probably be cover for both RB and LB, so let Richards and Flanno put pressure on Johnson for his place. Don't know where Kelly fits in though. Kept as cover for CB too maybe.

Edit: I don't think we should be going anywhere near Bertrand fwiw.

Nuri Sahin · 17-07-2014 01:27PM

Atleti have opened up negotiations with Seville to sign Moreno to replace Filipe Luis supposedly.

In short, if true, smh.

mormank · 17-07-2014 01:31PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

That's fair enough but that's just one player of the five Liverpool players who can play fullback.

Is he better than Flanagan, Johnson the players he would have to compete with for the RB slot? So we are buying Richards then as third choice RB maybe second?

The same can be said for Bertrand is he better than what we already have?
Is he better than Enrique, and a right footed Flanagan who made role is last season? So we are buying Bertrand to be third choice LB?

Well you'll get no argument from me regarding Bertrand. I simply have not seen enough of him. Richards I would argue could be better than Johnson and Flanno at right back yes. Johnson has been poison for over a season now, and on many people wishlists to get rid of so i don't think i even need to debate that with you. Flanno on the other hand was very good last season. Essentially his first full season as a starter for us, let's just see how he gets on next season and develops before making a final assessment on him. Many players have failed to live up to their first full season as starters in many different scenarios. The other thing would be that Richards can play centre back so he could be cover for two positions, something which Rodgers seems to like in a player.

K-9 · 17-07-2014 01:38PM

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Atleti have opened up negotiations with Seville to sign Moreno to replace Filipe Luis supposedly.

In short, if true, smh.

Have to think that's that then. Not getting him and going for Bertrand doesn't make much sense to me, money is there to go for upgrades. It's a bit puzzling tbh.

Calvin · 17-07-2014 01:38PM

If signing Richards means we step off Bertrand, I approve. Richards is a decent defender who's lost his touch, which I'm sure Brendan can re-kindle. I think he can also play CB, which is decent too.

slingerz · 17-07-2014 01:39PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Who are Bertrand/Richards better than what we already have in the squad?

We need better than what we already have in the squad!

Flanagan, Johnson, Enrique, Kelly, Wisdom are all equal too or better than those two.

Bertrand is a better LB than what we have at present.

Richards is a better RB than our RB's bar Johnson on top form.

Flanagan's versatility to cover both positions should see him being kept in the squad or maybe sent on loan for experience. Kelly and Wisdom IMO are not good enough for the required level.

As for centre half, I am not Sakho's biggest fan. Skrtel, Agger, Coates, Kolo are not good enough IMO. The jury remains out on Ilori

smileyj1987 · 17-07-2014 01:43PM

slingerz wrote: »

Bertrand is a better LB than what we have at present.

Richards is a better RB than our RB's bar Johnson on top form.

Flanagan's versatility to cover both positions should see him being kept in the squad or maybe sent on loan for experience. Kelly and Wisdom IMO are not good enough for the required level.

As for centre half, I am not Sakho's biggest fan. Skrtel, Agger, Coates, Kolo are not good enough IMO. The jury remains out on Ilori

Yes Johnson is a great player on form but right now he is poison to the team and was a lucky man to be going to the World Cup .

DaveSuarez · 17-07-2014 01:44PM

Washington Irving wrote: »

Doesn't it? If there's, say, an £80m clause which Barcelona meet but Real Madrid then offer £90m can't LFC just sell to Madrid?

If someone meets the clause they can still be outbid before a deal is completed.

Why would Madrid do that when they could just match the 80m bid and offer the extra 10m to Suarez to insure he picks them? We were never gonna get more than his buyout clause.

Strongbow10 · 17-07-2014 01:44PM

Rafa rated Bertrand very highly for what its worth.

Agent Coulson · 17-07-2014 01:53PM

slingerz wrote: »

Bertrand is a better LB than what we have at present.

I have to strongly disagree with this.

Enrique is a better LB than him even a right footed Flanagan is better than him at LB.

Turtyturd · 17-07-2014 01:55PM

Bertrand better than Enrique?

Enrique really is underrated here.

Knex* · 17-07-2014 01:55PM

I find it very hard to have any opinion on Bertrand's quality. He just hasn't played enough.

5live · 17-07-2014 01:57PM

Robbie Keane scores a peach.

slingerz · 17-07-2014 01:58PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Bertrand better than Enrique?

Enrique really is underrated here.

Overrated here by some IMO. If he was so good you would wonder why Rodgers has been trying to replace him in recent seasons.

Flanagan was passable in that position last year but often his performances were enhanced by fans due to his homegrown background.

Knex* · 17-07-2014 01:59PM

5live wrote: »

Robbie Keane scores a peach.

Lolz. Newspaper article linked as a YouTube video.

You're losing it, 5live :pac:

Turtyturd · 17-07-2014 02:02PM

slingerz wrote: »

Overrated here by some IMO. If he was so good you would wonder why Rodgers has been trying to replace him in recent seasons.

Flanagan was passable in that position last year but often his performances were enhanced by fans due to his homegrown background.

You would wonder about a lot of things 'The Rodgers' does....Victory Moses being one.

Agree about Flanagan though, both him and Henderson were overrated last year.

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