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Irish cultural cringe??

  • 16-07-2014 08:28PM
    #1
    kingchess
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭


    my Scottish buddy was telling me about the "Scottish cringe" and like a fool I had to Google it,there is also Australian and Canadian versions .and judging by some threads,posts/posters on AH the Irish version is alive and well, to paraphrase.it seems to manifest itself by feelings of low respect for Language and Heritage and a sycophantic attachment to the ways are done in other English-speaking Countries,and is a form of cultural Alienation. now......who suffers from it???


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  • #2
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    bollocks to the irish language

    its not a cringe. I just hate the irish language


  • #3
    Mean Laqueefa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭Mean Laqueefa


    huh ?


  • #4
    WesternZulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    There are a lot of people who have complete contempt for anything remotely Irish, and see it as being inferior to what's in other countries.

    You see all the time, they can't be quick enough to knock the language, the economy, GAA, Irish dancing, league of Ireland soccer, quality of life, the scenery,the people e.t.c.

    I pity them really.


  • #5
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    WesternZulu wrote: »
    There are a lot of people who have complete contempt for anything remotely Irish, and see it as being inferior to what's in other countries.

    You see all the time, they can't be quick enough to knock the language, the economy, GAA, Irish dancing, league of Ireland soccer, quality of life, the scenery,the people e.t.c.

    I pity them really.



    I only hate the language. Everything else about Ireland is great other than the irish language.


  • #6
    Reekwind
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Reekwind


    kingchess wrote: »
    now......who suffers from it???
    Most of AH. I was going to advise you to look at a few other threads but actually you only need glance a few posts up. The inferiority complex that many posters here have when it comes to Irish culture is just absurd.


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  • #7
    Mean Laqueefa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭Mean Laqueefa


    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    I only hate the language. Everything else about Ireland is great other than the irish language.

    Why the hate ?


  • #8
    jellyboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭jellyboy


    My Cultral cringe is the knockers of our great little country

    I would say boards and the views contained within is a good example
    (not all ,but the percentage that lurk and ponce and sweetly troll)


  • #9
    Friend Computer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Friend Computer


    Reekwind wrote: »
    Most of AH. I was going to advise you to look at a few other threads but actually you only need glance a few posts up. The inferiority complex that many posters here have when it comes to Irish culture is just absurd.

    I'd say it's more common for certain individuals to mistake apathy for feelings of inferiority.


  • #10
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    Mean Laqueefa wrote: »
    Why the hate ?



    I was battered around a classroom to learn a language that I never spoke or heard spoken outside that classroom


  • #11
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    WesternZulu wrote: »
    Irish dancing



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  • #12
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    People hate the Irish language primarily because it's such a f*cking nightmare in school, and it seems pointless to have exams, college etc depending on it when it's purely an ideology based compulsory subject as opposed to a practical one like a current language or maths. That's all. I bet if it was a choice like history or geography, people wouldn't end up despising it nearly as much - or if it was taught like French where the focus is on speaking the language rather than the literature aspect.

    Understandably due to Ireland's past, the vast majority of literature chosen for the Leaving Cert is written depressingly about misery and various depressing subject matter. I remember we did a story called An Cearrbhach Mac Cába about this guy who gambles against the grim reaper and repeatedly outsmarts him, which is a ridiculously funny story and everyone really looked forward to reading the next bit of it. Contrast that with the kind of stuff they usually pick ("An Bhean Og, the delightful story of a depressed woman in an abusive relationship, perfect for knocking one down on a happy day") and you can easily understand why the language is associated with unhappiness!

    As far as music, I don't think that's a cultural thing. People who bash traditional Irish music are probably just as likely to bash other types of music which are outside the comfort zone of music they grew up in - in other words, closed minded gobsh!tes. I doubt there are many people who specifically think Irish trad music is sh!te but would happily listen to Jewish Klezmer music or Chinese flute music.
    As far as television is concerned, you have RTE to thank for that. If they produced more excitement like Love/Hate and less sh!te like Amber, people would be far more appreciative.


  • #13
    jellyboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭jellyboy


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »


    Exactlly what this thread needed a dancing defrocked Irish priest






  • #14
    jellyboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭jellyboy


    mii_h3art iz_in ur_hands wrote: »
    It's SHÍTE being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the fúcking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the English. I don't. They're just ****. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by ****. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete assholes. It's a SHÍTE state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any fúcking difference!


    Personal issues forum that way>>>>>>>>>


  • #15
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    People hate the Irish language primarily because it's such a f*cking nightmare in school, and it seems pointless to have exams, college etc depending on it when it's purely an ideology based compulsory subject as opposed to a practical one like a current language or maths. That's all. I bet if it was a choice like history or geography, people wouldn't end up despising it nearly as much - or if it was taught like French where the focus is on speaking the language rather than the literature aspect.

    Understandably due to Ireland's past, the vast majority of literature chosen for the Leaving Cert is written depressingly about misery and various depressing subject matter. I remember we did a story called An Cearrbhach Mac Cába about this guy who gambles against the grim reaper and repeatedly outsmarts him, which is a ridiculously funny story and everyone really looked forward to reading the next bit of it. Contrast that with the kind of stuff they usually pick ("An Bhean Og, the delightful story of a depressed woman in an abusive relationship, perfect for knocking one down on a happy day") and you can easily understand why the language is associated with unhappiness!

    As far as music, I don't think that's a cultural thing. People who bash traditional Irish music are probably just as likely to bash other types of music which are outside the comfort zone of music they grew up in - in other words, closed minded gobsh!tes. I doubt there are many people who specifically think Irish trad music is sh!te but would happily listen to Jewish Klezmer music or Chinese flute music.
    As far as television is concerned, you have RTE to thank for that. If they produced more excitement like Love/Hate and less sh!te like Amber, people would be far more appreciative.



    You could say that about anything that's forced upon you.


  • #16
    Arthur Beesley
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    I was not familiar with the aforementioned phenomenon. Thank you for bringing it to my attention, OP.


  • #17
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    You could say that about anything that's forced upon you.

    Not really, English is forced on you as well and it's mostly literature based but the majority of texts on JC and LC English exams aren't on a par with suicide notes in terms of cheeriness, which those on the Irish course invariably are.


  • #18
    Reekwind
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Reekwind


    Friend Computer wrote: »
    I'd say it's more common for certain individuals to mistake apathy for feelings of inferiority.
    Nope. You don't have to look very far in this forum to find examples of outright hostility towards Irish or the general self-loathing when politics/economics comes up.

    Apathy is fine (relatively speaking). It's this sort of sneering and aggressive anti-Irishness that I put down to cringe and a sense of inferiority.


  • #19
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »

    Is that the guy that ruined that marathon ?


  • #20
    Augmerson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    bollocks to the irish language

    its not a cringe. I just hate the irish language

    Cannot speak a word of Irish myself but was never embarrassed by it or hated it. It's the other way round. I'm embarrassed and a little bit ashamed I can't use it. Whenever I've met people abroad they've sometimes asked about Irish and wanted to hear some as they thought it sounded beautiful. It is a beautiful language. It's just the way it's thought to us in school and our whole approach to languages in Ireland that is wrong and often we grow up resenting it being forced upon us.

    What makes me cringe sometimes about Ireland is the parochialism, the begrudgery, clannish ways, attitudes towards sex and sexes and Ryan Tubirdy.


  • #21
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    You could say that about anything that's forced upon you.

    You could, although it might not have the same cultural resonance that comes out of a collective painful experience.


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  • #22
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    WesternZulu wrote: »
    There are a lot of people who have complete contempt for anything remotely Irish, and see it as being inferior to what's in other countries.

    You see all the time, they can't be quick enough to knock the language, the economy, GAA, Irish dancing, league of Ireland soccer, quality of life, the scenery,the people e.t.c.

    I pity them really.
    It's pretty much only these bits that I hate.


  • #23
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Is that the guy that ruined that marathon ?

    I think you'll need to rephrase the question as "Is that the traditional Irish dancer who made an artistic statement at a sports event?"


  • #24
    House of Blaze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭House of Blaze


    mii_h3art iz_in ur_hands wrote: »
    It's SHÍTE being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the fúcking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the English. I don't. They're just ****. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by ****. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete assholes. It's a SHÍTE state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any fúcking difference!

    That's it?

    That's your theory? ;)


  • #25
    boombang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭boombang


    If you've lived away you'll understand the benefits of Irish social skills in making everyday social interactions friendly and genuine. However, I feel the cultural cringe when I look at politics and public decision making in this country. I've also seen a gross unprofessionalism by people in positions of responsibility at work that counts as cultural cringe to me.


  • #26
    DizzyDamsel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭DizzyDamsel


    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    I was battered around a classroom to learn a language that I never spoke or heard spoken outside that classroom

    Now we know why you chose Wacker 'The Attacker' as your username. ;-)


  • #27
    darkpagandeath
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    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    I think you'll need to rephrase the question as "Is that the traditional Irish dancer who made an artistic statement at a sports event?"

    I stand corrected. Is it ?


  • #28
    Shakespeare's Sister
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    Reekwind wrote: »
    Nope. You don't have to look very far in this forum to find examples of outright hostility towards Irish or the general self-loathing when politics/economics comes up.

    Apathy is fine (relatively speaking). It's this sort of sneering and aggressive anti-Irishness that I put down to cringe and a sense of inferiority.
    I'll admit there is stuff about this country that pisses me off, and lets us down, and while overall it's a grand country, it could do even better.
    But the stuff you're talking about is different to self reflection/criticism, it's really toadying stuff from those folks. And you'd swear they weren't part of the problem. Actually, that kinda attitude ("It's everyone else, not me") is one of the things that bugs me about Irish society. The internet (especially the bloody Journal.ie, Politics.ie, BreakingNews.ie comments) really brings it home.


  • #29
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I stand corrected. Is it ?

    'Tis himself.


  • #30
    arse..biscuits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭arse..biscuits


    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    bollocks to the irish language

    its not a cringe. I just hate the irish language

    I have no idea how someone can hate a language.


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  • #31
    Links234
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    arse..biscuits wrote: »
    I have no idea how someone can hate a language.

    I don't know either, and I hated Irish as a kid *shrugs* I couldn't tell you why either


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