Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

redbaron_99 · 16-07-2014 01:41PM

What's he supposed to say: "yes, vidal is for sale. I believe he has his heart set on moving to United. Give us the right money, and we will let him go"

Standard fare from a club CEO.

keane2097 · 16-07-2014 01:42PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

What's he supposed to say: "yes, vidal is for sale. I believe he has his heart set on moving to United. Give us the right money, and we will let him go"

Standard fare from a club CEO.

Wouldn't imagine he'd say "not for sale" if he was in the middle of talks to sell him. Would probably just say nothing.

bucketybuck · 16-07-2014 01:42PM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

We've not had a good midfield for years, the defence has always got by.

This claim doesn't really work.

We are talking about 2 young defenders that need to develop into their potential playing behind a rubbish midfield, and you compare them to one of the greatest club defences ever behind that same midfield.

Well, of course the defence of Rio, Vidic and Evra at their peak performed better than the developing Jones and Smalling, thats not really surprising is it?

redbaron_99 · 16-07-2014 01:42PM

Did he say why Conte left the job he seemed to love?
Did he say why Evra still hasn't officially signed for Juve?

Lord TSC · 16-07-2014 01:46PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Wouldn't imagine he'd say "not for sale" if he was in the middle of talks to sell him. Would probably just say nothing.

Nothing would be taken as confirmation by some

What's said publicly in a fan-friendly statement isn't necessarily the truth, and it could even be trying to aid negotiations by showing United he's happy to talk publicly.

That's not saying it's happening, mind. I'm still leaning towards the opinion it's another Fabregas/Snedjier story that the press are exaggerating. But just cause he said that doesn't mean it's "dead" by any stretch....

Zico · 16-07-2014 01:48PM

Pro. F wrote: »

I like the way you insist on ignoring their lack of consistent games at CB in a settled defence and merely talk about number of starts. It shows that you know the flaw in your argument.

I'm not ignoring anything, I just don't see the lack of a perfect environment as a valid reason for them not developing.

We're not trying to breed Pandas ffs.

16-07-2014 01:54PM

From The Daily Mail

Giuseppe Marotta, Juve chief executive, at a press conference this afternoon: 'Arturo Vidal is not for sale. He's one of the most important players in the squad.'

glued · 16-07-2014 01:57PM

He actually said that Juventus will never put Vidal up for sale. That's entirely different. If they were confident of him staying they would say that he's not leaving Juventus and the rumours are nonsense. He said what any professional would in that situation.

Vidal will probably leave but who knows where he'll end up

redbaron_99 · 16-07-2014 01:58PM

"The player always makes the decision". Hmm, sounds like he's already directing the blame in Vidal's direction.

Billy86 · 16-07-2014 02:02PM

Zico wrote: »

It's hard to be heard among the cheerleaders so I just leave you guys to it.:P

I've wanted Smalling and Jones to develop into top class defenders as much as anyone.

Alas they haven't and the excuses about being played out of position and not getting enough game time, though it might have been the case last year, are no longer valid.

26 League starts for Jones and 17 for Smalling. (Jonny Evans had 17)

They're headed down the David May career path.

Doesn't matter what I think about it anyway, I won't be picking the team.:)

I hate to agree here but I do to an extent. Smalling looked fantastic in his first 18 or so months at the club but could well be in a make-or-break season at the club this year, but I do trust that if anyone can get him back on that for it is LVG.

The situation with Jones is different. It is depressing that we supposedly could have got Varane instead of him at that time, but it now is what it is. He has some great "untrainable" intangibles and at 22 has a good deal of time to improve (whereas Smalling turns 25 in November, not old but closer to a typical "peak" wndow). Unlike Snalling though I don't think Jones has been consistently very good for us ever. He has flashed at times but the types of brain facts we saw from him this season have been typical of his game pretty much since he joined. Can't remember where I saw it but about a year back I remember reading an article on how we were almost guaranteed to concede in his area in games where he started at CB... but he would have only turned 21 recently at the time so deserved a bit of a let off. It will be interesting to see how he does under Louis, but I am relieved that his errors are no longer being wilfully ignored by commentators and pundits as they used to be, possibly due to him being a potential English golden boy (much as like has happened with Rooney at times over his career). If he were Spanish or South Maurice he would have been ripped to shreds a long, long time ago but all the same he does seem to have a lot of potential. I always thought he was better suited to a CM runner/box to box type role but I guess with depth issues he is now a CB.

Samoa Joe · 16-07-2014 02:05PM

Pro. F · 16-07-2014 02:06PM

Zico wrote: »

I'm not ignoring anything, I just don't see the lack of a perfect environment as a valid reason for them not developing.

We're not trying to breed Pandas ffs.

Now you've moved from ignoring the argument to misrepresenting it, ie pretending I'm asking for a perfect environment for their development.

user2011 · 16-07-2014 02:10PM

Blue looks crap on him..

ericzeking · 16-07-2014 02:15PM

He certainly is a very fresh looking 62 year old considering the stressful environments he's been in during his career.

Professional Griefer · 16-07-2014 02:15PM

Can't wait for the presser tomorrow now.

Will I Amnt · 16-07-2014 02:16PM

user2011 wrote: »

Blue looks crap on him..

I'd delete that post if I were you... Just in case he sees it like.

Lord TSC · 16-07-2014 02:17PM

Kirby · 16-07-2014 02:18PM

Ciaran_Corbett wrote: »

ericzeking wrote: »

He certainly is a very fresh looking 62 year old considering the stressful environments he's been in during his career.

True but his yoga dvd's apparently do wonders for his fitness.

Zico · 16-07-2014 02:18PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Now you've moved from ignoring the argument to misrepresenting it, ie pretending I'm asking for a perfect environment for their development.

What do you think Jones and Smalling need then?

Pro. F · 16-07-2014 02:21PM

Zico wrote: »

What do you think Jones and Smalling need then?

You've read and responded to the posts where I explained that.

16-07-2014 02:23PM

Press conference at 3pm tomorrow!

user2011 · 16-07-2014 02:24PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I'd delete that post if I were you... Just in case he sees it like.

I can't now, you quoted me..

TheDoc · 16-07-2014 02:24PM

Sorry I'm getting lost on the last few pages.

Reading Pro.F's posts correctly, he is indicating that we can't be overly critical on Jones and Smalling, because they have not been afforded considerable first team games operating at CB.

Is this the case?

Cause I'd seriously question anyone argueing to the differ.

Jones and Smallings developement has NOTICABLY stalled, due to the sheer lack of gametime at CB, and instead being deployed out RB or in Jones case DM/CM.

The two will never develop their game reading ability and attunement to how the game flows from that position, when they are not playing in it.

brinty · 16-07-2014 02:25PM

Jesus Giggs could've put on a fcukin tin of fruit

cdb · 16-07-2014 02:26PM

Check out the big smug head on the equaliser!! Thats right biaatches!!

keane2097 · 16-07-2014 02:27PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

"The player always makes the decision". Hmm, sounds like he's already directing the blame in Vidal's direction.

Yeah I figured the quotes were unlikely to be the "not for sale" they were represented as originally. The guy straight up saying "Vidal isn't for sale" would be end of the discussion to my mind, him saying "we would never put him up for sale" etc is different.

bangkok · 16-07-2014 02:39PM

ericzeking wrote: »

He certainly is a very fresh looking 62 year old considering the stressful environments he's been in during his career.

van gaal eats stress for breakfast and sh1ts it whenever he wants

Whatsisname · 16-07-2014 02:45PM

Ducker said Van Gaal won't meet players until 5:30. Literally seconds later the United account says he's meeting them now. Maybe nobody has any inside scoop in United anymore.

Chagan · 16-07-2014 02:47PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

It looks like he's welcoming Ed to the club. Already displaying his dominance.

Schwiiing · 16-07-2014 02:52PM

Right so. UTD are not signing Vidal. Who are the alternatives?

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