Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07

K-9 · 16-07-2014 01:09AM

Things are starting to take shape even at this early stage. The ideal is 3 starters at the back, sub keeper, striker who can also play out wide and a DM/boss CM. Gerrard and Lucas don't convince and it's asking a lot of Can to step in straight away. Rodgers could be back to using different formations on the fly to make up for DM weaknesses. That's all doable with the reported budget we have.

witnessrenegade · 16-07-2014 02:43AM

I wonder how many more will we see coming in, and of course leaving, mid July and we have four players in already, last time we got a large amount of players was in the dark days of Roy, at least these players are a tad bit exciting! :P

Jesus Wept · 16-07-2014 03:30AM

Word is the Reus deal is on the brink of collapse because Lahm is insisting on joining him but we told him to bog off. Despite the fact they don't even play for the same club. Mindboggling stuff.

Kirby · 16-07-2014 03:42AM

i heart chewy louie wrote: »

Word is the Reus deal is on the brink of collapse because Lahm is insisting on joining him but we told him to bog off. Despite the fact they don't even play for the same club. Mindboggling stuff.

That sounds made up by somebody who didn't realise that not all Germans play for Bayern.

BenEadir · 16-07-2014 08:00AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Seriousy, do you think responsible businesses just throw £4m or 25% extra away?

If he did that Ayre would be called careless.

Also, we don''t know all the details of other negotiation points, add-ons etc.

Really think Ayre gets a poor wrap from punters.

^^^ 100% correct

We think like fans i.e. all we want is the best players and if that means over paying then so be it but that's not the real world. If something is worth €16m why pay more than that? If you're going to pay €20m why not buy a player you value at €20m?

We need to have a lot more faith in the whole management team not just BR.

Ben

tomaussie · 16-07-2014 08:14AM

BenThere wrote: »

^^^ 100% correct

We think like fans i.e. all we want is the best players and if that means over paying then so be it but that's not the real world. If something is worth €16m why pay more than that? If you're going to pay €20m why not buy a player you value at €20m?

We need to have a lot more faith in the whole management team not just BR.

Ben

If you're in the desert and need a drink do you refuse to buy the bottle of water because he is charging €4 for a €3 bottle of water ?

It's all about necessity.

ush · 16-07-2014 08:16AM

John W Henry didn't become a very wealthy man by paying over the odds.

Grayditch · 16-07-2014 08:19AM

Well...going by Ben's post, he may end up with a bigger bottle of water for €4.

LuckyLloyd · 16-07-2014 08:26AM

Arsenal with Khedira and Sanchez? Chelsea with Fabregas? Utd with Van Gaal?

You can all sit around and stroke your chins about value and clever long term transfer approaches, but our competition is moving forward. We're not, and we'll be left behind quicker than you think. Last season is meaningless now. 2009 / 10 should have thought us all that.

BenEadir · 16-07-2014 08:26AM

tomaussie wrote: »

If you're in the desert and need a drink do you refuse to buy the bottle of water because he is charging €4 for a €3 bottle of water ?

It's all about necessity.

Two things:-

1. LFC are not in the desert, we have CL football and a load of cash.

2. There is a big difference between value and price. Value is driven by objectivity, price is driven by supply and demand. I for one am very happy we have owners and a management team who understand value and keep their cool rather than than allow themselves get shafted by the sort of panicked behaviour you are advocating.

If we pay £4m over the odds for just two players that takes £8m out of the transfer kitty for other acquisitions.

£8m = Couthino

QED

Ben

mada999 · 16-07-2014 08:32AM

Anyone get tickets for the sales this morning? Looking to head over to Hull or Stoke games myself

noodler · 16-07-2014 08:36AM

murpho999 wrote: »

So I can come out and say it for sure now...I was Lazar's teacher in Lisbon for the last couple of days and then he goes all the way to Liverpool and does his interview in Serbian! ha! We practiced all these questions, tactics, footballing language etc but I guess he doesn't feel ready to speak in English yet. Two weeks are really nothing to be honest to get ready.

At least he got one sentence of English in at the end and shows I'm a better teacher than the fake one Emre Can had.

You serious?

Someone help me with my Calculations:

Money in:

-CL = 40M
- Suarez = 75M

Money out:

Markovic = 20m
Llalana = 25m (lets say)
Lambert = 6m
Can = 10m

Leaves us with 55m left to my mind assuming the owners don't fund anything using thier "own" cash.

What have I missed?

kfallon · 16-07-2014 08:39AM

Wahey....we're on the box tonight!

ush · 16-07-2014 08:40AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Arsenal with Khedira and Sanchez? Chelsea with Fabregas? Utd with Van Gaal?

You can all sit around and stroke your chins about value and clever long term transfer approaches, but our competition is moving forward. We're not, and we'll be left behind quicker than you think. Last season is meaningless now. 2009 / 10 should have thought us all that.

Panic!

BenEadir · 16-07-2014 08:46AM

noodler wrote: »

You serious?

Someone help me with my Calculations:

Money in:

-CL = 40M
- Suarez = 75M

Money out:

Markovic = 20m
Llalana = 25m (lets say)
Lambert = 6m
Can = 10m

Leaves us with 55m left to my mind assuming the owners don't fund anything using thier "own" cash.

What have I missed?

The CL income can't be taken as 100% profit. We have additional costs such as a larger squad of players drawing higher wages etc to net off against it before we can spend it on transfers. On the flip side we'd also have some more income from ticket sales for CL games and perhaps bonus payments from sponsors for CL exposure etc.

It's certainly a nice problem to have though!!

Ben

BenEadir · 16-07-2014 08:52AM

LFC's starting eleven according to the Indo today - I don't think the writer knows too much about LFC - http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/what-will-be-liverpools-best-starting-xi-next-season-30434066.html

Ben

jebidiah · 16-07-2014 08:55AM

ush wrote: »

Panic!

Don't think it's panic at all.

Suarez is a huge loss.

RayCon · 16-07-2014 09:03AM

ush wrote: »

John W Henry didn't become a very wealthy man by paying over the odds.

Reminds me of this :

Don't let the haircut fool you, I am exceedingly wealthy.

Oh, I didn't get rich by writing a lot of checks!

Devilman40k · 16-07-2014 09:11AM

BenThere wrote: »

The CL income can't be taken as 100% profit. We have additional costs such as a larger squad of players drawing higher wages etc to net off against it before we can spend it on transfers. On the flip side we'd also have some more income from ticket sales for CL games and perhaps bonus payments from sponsors for CL exposure etc.

It's certainly a nice problem to have though!!

Ben

The increase in wages is offset against the increased sponsorship deals , as per PL financial fair play rules (increase 4m year on year naturally with any increase above that allowable from increased commercial deals) - plus take the rumoured 200k+ a week from Suarez on his last deal and thats the wages of 3 of our new arrivals sorted already - (admitedly I'm not taking into account any contracted bonuses/pay rises)

Plenty left in the kitty.

In terms of what we have to spend on transfer fees - theres

The PL money from last year (over what was budgeted for - so 100m minus whatever the club expected for last season)

The CL qualification money

Then the 75m from Suarez
If the rumours on transfer budget are true Rodgers had 60-75 (depending on who you listen to) plus sales

So far we've spent 16m+ for Lallana, 4 for Lambert, 20 for Lazar, 10 for Can.... so if the rumours are true - We haven't even touched the Suarez money yet

citytillidie · 16-07-2014 09:20AM

Got a ticket to the Stoke game on the members sale, tomorrow will be a nightmare

kfallon · 16-07-2014 09:23AM

ush wrote: »

Panic!

On the streets of London? Panic on the streets of Birmingham?

x43r0 · 16-07-2014 09:24AM

citytillidie wrote: »

Got a ticket to the Stoke game on the members sale, tomorrow will be a nightmare

It's always bad - Just gotta get in and out as quick as you can and try to block out the horror afterwards

Exiled2NY · 16-07-2014 09:25AM

citytillidie wrote: »

Got a ticket to the Stoke game on the members sale, tomorrow will be a nightmare

How long did you have to wait? I am still in the queue. Trying for the same game!

murpho999 · 16-07-2014 09:31AM

MD1990 wrote: »

Because we literally had no attacking options apart from Suarez which resulted in us being about 10th before we got in Sturridge & Coutinho. Plenty of transfers happen in the last few hours of transfer deadline day but Ayre going home looked terrible on his part.

There was obviously no money forthcoming or targets identified.

Do you think Ayre sits in his office identifying targets on transfer deadline day?

citytillidie · 16-07-2014 09:39AM

Exiled2NY wrote: »

How long did you have to wait? I am still in the queue. Trying for the same game!

I was on the site from 8 and did not get in until about 9, got a seat in the KOP but its out in the wing sort of block 203.

Hull game is sold out

Exiled2NY · 16-07-2014 09:45AM

citytillidie wrote: »

I was on the site from 8 and did not get in until about 9, got a seat in the KOP but its out in the wing sort of block 203.

Hull game is sold out

I got on after 8:15 and both hull and Stoke sold out now...Oh well, til the next one. Have to get in sooner the next time!

Luckycharms_74 · 16-07-2014 09:49AM

citytillidie wrote: »

Got a ticket to the Stoke game on the members sale, tomorrow will be a nightmare

My mate hoping to get tickets for the Chelsea & Everton games tomorrow

K-9 · 16-07-2014 09:49AM

murpho999 wrote: »

There was obviously no money forthcoming or targets identified.

Do you think Ayre sits in his office identifying targets on transfer deadline day?

That's a strange one to blame Ayre for, Henry apologised for that in his infamous letter. Ayre just can't go and write cheques himself!

citytillidie · 16-07-2014 09:51AM

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

My mate hoping to get tickets for the Chelsea & Everton games tomorrow

Well for Everton he needs to have 8 games from last season

BenEadir · 16-07-2014 09:52AM

Devilman40k wrote: »

So far we've spent 16m+ for Lallana, 4 for Lambert, 20 for Lazar, 10 for Can.... so if the rumours are true - We haven't even touched the Suarez money yet

If you are only going to take the initial cash outlay into consideration and ignore the deferred payments and future add ons etc you need to factor in the deferred payments and add ons due this year from previous player acquisitions. Those amounts don't just disappear you know!!

Ben

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