Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 *mod warning linked in OP 26/07*

joe123

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

There's roughly 45 days until the window closes and we've barely scratched the surface in spending the Suarez cash. Just cool your jets and relax, things will happen.

The League kicks off in 32 days. You can bet that Rodgers wants the main bulk of players in by then. We aren't even being linked with anyone that would go straight into the first 11.

We haven't even attempted to bring in someone near 60% of Suarez level. Moreno deal collapsed and now we are linked with another "potential star" signing with Ben Davies.

No sign of us even attempting to bring in someone that can control the midfield or compete with Gerrard for his position.

Unless we are doing excellent work at keeping our business out of the media (which is very unlike Liverpool) I am seriously concerned.

Utopia Parkway

joe123 wrote: »

No sign of us even attempting to bring in someone that can control the midfield or compete with Gerrard for his position.

Unless we are doing excellent work at keeping our business out of the media (which is very unlike Liverpool) I am seriously concerned.

How many central midfielders do we need? We already have Gerrard, Henderson, Allen, Lucas, Can and Lallana can probably play in there as well.

slingerz

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

How many central midfielders do we need? We already have Gerrard, Henderson, Allen, Lucas, Can and Lallana can probably play in there as well.

he wants a star name like Pogba, Vidal etc.

Seaba

Chelsea pay 20 million (football365.com) for 28 year old Filipe Luis (29 next month)
Liverpool won't pay 20 million for 22 year old Moreno (22 two weeks ago)

Gandalph

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

How many central midfielders do we need? We already have Gerrard, Henderson, Allen, Lucas, Can and Lallana can probably play in there as well.

Names that all strike fear into any top premiership side. We could do with a new big name there.

joe123

slingerz wrote: »

he wants a star name like Pogba, Vidal etc.

Please don't assume for me thanks.

If people believe that Gerrard will be able to maintain a high standard week in week out with Champions league matches in between then I dont know what way they are looking at it.

We leaked goals last season partly down to the fact we had no defenisve midfield cover. If Khedira is available we should be going in for him.

Lucas showed last season he is struggling. Lallana cannot play defenisve mid either.

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

How many central midfielders do we need? We already have Gerrard, Henderson, Allen, Lucas, Can and Lallana can probably play in there as well.

By all accounts Lucas is surplus to requirements. Think it was James Pearce of the Echo who stated that we are willing to listen to offers.

Kirby

Good points tbh.

And I find it curious that Rodgers publicly criticised the Spurs scattergun approach spending the Bale money last season and seems to be repeating exactly what they did.

Not that I don't think some of these signings will be successful, but he has done exactly what he said he wouldn't.....buy several 20 million pound players instead of one 50 million pound one.

Nuri Sahin

K-9 wrote: »

Mirror reporting in their transfer gossip section that the Moreno deal is off (take with pinch of salt) but saying we are in for Griezman (it's on) but so are Monaco (grabs salt cellar again).

€30 Million buy out clause apparently.

Salt cellar indeed, but it'd make sense if Rodriguez is indeed off to Real. Like for like replacement in Griezmann.

Morzadec

Seaba wrote: »

Chelsea pay 20 million (football365.com) for 28 year old Filipe Luis (29 next month)
Liverpool won't pay 20 million for 22 year old Moreno (22 two weeks ago)

Well Felipe Luis is far more proven/better than Moreno, let's not forget that

smileyj1987

Kirby wrote: »

Good points tbh.

And I find it curious that Rodgers publicly criticised the Spurs scattergun approach spending the Bale money last season and seems to be repeating exactly what they did.

Not that I don't think some of these signings will be successful, but he has done exactly what he said he wouldn't.....buy several 20 million pound players instead of one 50 million pound one.

I don't think that is the case at all . 32 days left of the transfer window and all the big name players are on holiday as we speak . I'm sure LFC will start signing more players as they come back off their breaks . People need to cool the jets and just relax . Look at the costa transfer fee agreed seemingly weeks ago and he only signed for Chelsea in the last few days . So I'll wait another two weeks before meltdown mode .

MarkY91

Kirby wrote: »

Good points tbh.

And I find it curious that Rodgers publicly criticised the Spurs scattergun approach spending the Bale money last season and seems to be repeating exactly what they did.

Not that I don't think some of these signings will be successful, but he has done exactly what he said he wouldn't.....buy several 20 million pound players instead of one 50 million pound one.

why buy someone who will improve your starting 11 when you can buy a bunch of aspas' :L

MonkeyTennis

So we are going into meltdown mode then yeah? Ill put it in my diary so.

Luckycharms_74

Turtyturd wrote: »

No match thread?

Match thread in memory of Mike65

Paddy@CIRL

Some people really need to chill the fūck out.

We have no idea what's going on behind closed doors and none of us have any idea just how difficult even the simplest of transfers can be. People who talk about how we should just throw more money at players as if multiple millions of pounds mean nothing and can be conjured up out of thin air. A club has to be run, wages have to be paid - not just to players - and bills have to be paid. I don't know about you, but I'm much happier knowing that our club is being run responsibly and this will work in our favour in the long run. Relax, the results will come.

Nuri Sahin

Kirby wrote: »

Good points tbh.

And I find it curious that Rodgers publicly criticised the Spurs scattergun approach spending the Bale money last season and seems to be repeating exactly what they did.

Not that I don't think some of these signings will be successful, but he has done exactly what he said he wouldn't.....buy several 20 million pound players instead of one 50 million pound one.

Weren't a few of the signings of Baldini and Levy's doing near if not all entirely?

Lamela it's well known wanted to stay in Rome by all accounts too.

Morzadec

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

So we are going into meltdown mode then yeah? Ill put it in my diary so.

I'm just a little deflated to be honest.

It was always going to happen I suppose, it's a bit like 'back to reality' after the dream of last season.

Maybe I'm being defeatist, but you look at Chelsea and City and the calibre of players they go after and ultimately deliver, and then compare them to our punts and bargain-basement shopping, you start to feel that it's impossible to compete. I mean, they just signed a 29 year-old left-back for £20m. I totally understand the club not being able to sanction something like that, but at the end of the day Chelsea now have a truly top quality left-back for the next few years while we're looking at the likes of Davies and Bertrand.

The team Chelsea are putting together now is a bit ridiculous, and obviously City have that type of team too. Can we compete? Very, very difficult imo.

Having the best player in the league gave you that glimmer of hope - Suarez offered us something others clubs, even with all their millions, could only dream of. But now he's gone.

Call me cynical but I think we will be waiting a long time for the type of title challenge we had last year, which makes missing out last year all the more disappointing, as I don't feel like it's a chance that's going to come around again in the foreseeable future.

slingerz

joe123 wrote: »

Please don't assume for me thanks.

If people believe that Gerrard will be able to maintain a high standard week in week out with Champions league matches in between then I dont know what way they are looking at it.

We leaked goals last season partly down to the fact we had no defenisve midfield cover. If Khedira is available we should be going in for him.

Lucas showed last season he is struggling. Lallana cannot play defenisve mid either.



By all accounts Lucas is surplus to requirements. Think it was James Pearce of the Echo who stated that we are willing to listen to offers.

Assumed incorrectly did I?

slingerz

Morzadec wrote: »

Well Felipe Luis is far more proven/better than Moreno, let's not forget that

Fare more proven? Not sure really. At 28/29 he only really came to the fore under Simeone this season and didnt establish himself as a regular in the Brazil side either.

I could well be wrong but flavor of the month to me it seems.

whatawaster

Kirby wrote: »

Good points tbh.

And I find it curious that Rodgers publicly criticised the Spurs scattergun approach spending the Bale money last season and seems to be repeating exactly what they did.

Not that I don't think some of these signings will be successful, but he has done exactly what he said he wouldn't.....buy several 20 million pound players instead of one 50 million pound one.

I can't think of a single player we could pay £50m on, without being massively ripped off.

Apart from Reus, of course.

Morzadec

slingerz wrote: »

Fare more proven? Not sure really. At 28/29 he only really came to the fore under Simeone this season and didnt establish himself as a regular in the Brazil side either.

I could well be wrong but flavor of the month to me it seems.

Well Coutinho couldn't get into the Brazil side and I think we can all recognise that he surely would have brought something severely lacking to them. I wouldn't use that as a stick to beat him with.

As for one good season, I would disagree also. I would say he's had 3 very good seasons, with the last one being the standout one, but really just a culmination of a string of solid performances over the two previous years.

Moreno on the other hand only really has one full season under his belt, a season not as impressive as Luis' one.

Don't get me wrong, from a long-term view, considering finances etc... signing Moreno for 20m makes a hell of a lot more sense than Luis at 20m.

My point is that as a current player now, everything would suggest that Luis is currently superior and is ready to play to the highest level right now. Chelsea have the luxury of being able to spend big on players like this, we don't.

5live

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

So we are going into meltdown mode then yeah? Ill put it in my diary so.

Is the time fixed yet? Afternoon works for me.

Coz i wouldn't want to miss it just for the sheer novelty of a meltdown on thread:pac:

Knex*

Lets thrash the gaf.

mayordenis

Seaba wrote: »

Chelsea pay 20 million (football365.com) for 28 year old Filipe Luis (29 next month)
Liverpool won't pay 20 million for 22 year old Moreno (22 two weeks ago)

I'm a 27 year old left back should someone spend 20 million on me? the players are worth what they are worth.

BenEadir

Morzadec wrote: »

I'm just a little deflated to be honest.

It was always going to happen I suppose, it's a bit like 'back to reality' after the dream of last season.

Maybe I'm being defeatist, but you look at Chelsea and City and the calibre of players they go after and ultimately deliver, and then compare them to our punts and bargain-basement shopping, you start to feel that it's impossible to compete. I mean, they just signed a 29 year-old left-back for £20m. I totally understand the club not being able to sanction something like that, but at the end of the day Chelsea now have a truly top quality left-back for the next few years while we're looking at the likes of Davies and Bertrand.

The team Chelsea are putting together now is a bit ridiculous, and obviously City have that type of team too. Can we compete? Very, very difficult imo.

Having the best player in the league gave you that glimmer of hope - Suarez offered us something others clubs, even with all their millions, could only dream of. But now he's gone.

Call me cynical but I think we will be waiting a long time for the type of title challenge we had last year, which makes missing out last year all the more disappointing, as I don't feel like it's a chance that's going to come around again in the foreseeable future.

Here's a sad fact. Unless Liverpool moves to London we're always going to be at a significant disadvantage to Chelsea and Arsenal and even Spurs if they ever manage to break into and stay in the CL positions. It's not a co-incidence that the "massive" teams in the major European leagues are in capital or "destination" type cities e.g. PSG, Monaco, Barcelona, Madrid, Milan etc. There are some exceptions like Manchester but it's increasingly difficult for the exceptions to command the attention of the really top players unless they are prepared to pay them a premium over and above what the capital/destination cities will pay them and that requires oil/arab type ownership or a foundation of mega success (Man U) which produces sponsorship deals like the Addidas £75m per annum deal Man U just completed. That's a Suarez like sale every single year for the next 10 years!!!

Whether we like it or not LFC are in the 2nd tier of football clubs when it comes to financial clout and short of being taken over by an Arab who'll mess with the club for a few years and then pull the plug leaving us in a Portsmouth type situation there's nothing we can really do about it. We just have to outsmart our competition and buy cleverly which is why throwing another €4m at Moreno over and above the €16m LFC values him at just isn't viable. We simply don't have that sort of bottomless pit of cash.

I'd still rather support a club which has true heritage and works hard for it's success than one which simply buys it's success.

Ben

Osmosis Jones

BenThere wrote: »

Here's a sad fact. Unless Liverpool moves to London we're always going to be at a significant disadvantage to Chelsea and Arsenal and even Spurs if they ever manage to break into and stay in the CL positions. It's not a co-incidence that the "massive" teams in the major European leagues are in capital or "destination" type cities e.g. PSG, Monaco, Barcelona, Madrid, Milan etc. There are some exceptions like Manchester but it's increasingly difficult for the exceptions to command the attention of the really top players unless they are prepared to pay them a premium over and above what the capital/destination cities will pay them and that requires oil/arab type ownership or a foundation of mega success (Man U) which produces sponsorship deals like the Addidas £75m per annum deal Man U just completed. That's a Suarez like sale every single year for the next 10 years!!!

Whether we like it or not LFC are in the 2nd tier of football clubs when it comes to financial clout and short of being taken over by an Arab who'll mess with the club for a few years and then pull the plug leaving us in a Portsmouth type situation there's nothing we can really do about it. We just have to outsmart our competition and buy cleverly which is why throwing another €4m at Moreno over and above the €16m LFC values him at just isn't viable. We simply don't have that sort of bottomless pit of cash.

I'd still rather support a club which has true heritage and works hard for it's success than one which simply buys it's success.

Ben

I went into shock for a moment as I thought you said "buy cleverley"

Pyjamarama

We could do worse than signing Cleverly... We could sign kess, Nuri or rarnes. I would say me but I was majestic on the Astro last night.

Knex*

Pyjamarama wrote: »

We could do worse than signing Cleverly... We could sign kess, Nuri or rarnes. I would say me but I was majestic on the Astro last night.

Rarnes is Steven Gerrard.

Johner

slingerz wrote: »

Fare more proven? Not sure really. At 28/29 he only really came to the fore under Simeone this season and didnt establish himself as a regular in the Brazil side either.

I could well be wrong but flavor of the month to me it seems.

He was excellent for Deportivo and has been for Atletico for years. People are only hearing about him know because of the brilliant season Atletico had. I wouldn't hold it against him not being in the Brazil squad he definitely should have been in it, Scolari just had his favourites regardless of form.

Turtyturd

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Cleverly... rarnes.

*cough* *cough*

slingerz

Morzadec wrote: »

Well Coutinho couldn't get into the Brazil side and I think we can all recognise that he surely would have brought something severely lacking to them. I wouldn't use that as a stick to beat him with.

As for one good season, I would disagree also. I would say he's had 3 very good seasons, with the last one being the standout one, but really just a culmination of a string of solid performances over the two previous years.

Moreno on the other hand only really has one full season under his belt, a season not as impressive as Luis' one.

Don't get me wrong, from a long-term view, considering finances etc... signing Moreno for 20m makes a hell of a lot more sense than Luis at 20m.

My point is that as a current player now, everything would suggest that Luis is currently superior and is ready to play to the highest level right now. Chelsea have the luxury of being able to spend big on players like this, we don't.

I agree in general, but the Count comparison is a little off given the ages of the players and the various amount of playing time they would have had to give themselves the exposure to make the team.

Thing is a 28/29 I find it hard to fathom how he could be such a late bloomer to warrant a £20M fee but I could be wrong!