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Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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  • #752
    davmol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭davmol


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    I think someone who calls other posters clowns because they have a different opinion than them can also be classed as a "faceless keyboard warrior"!

    Someone thats asks for credible sources of what im saying and who receives 40+ authentic ,genuine websites from JEWISH authors and who then continues to ask for a credible source is,in my opinion,a clown.If that person knows every jewish or other authors that were on these sites fine but to assume because its not joe blog ,an author he knows,that they are not credible is ridiculous,the same way for some clo...i wont say it,to come on and call someone a liar who he doesnt know from adam,has never met,is quite frankly clownish/trollish/faceless.

    I could call you a muppet but i cant back it up can I.......well..


  • #753
    davmol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭davmol


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    That's a crazy assumption. I live in the Middle East, I know Palestinians. I have plenty of compassion for Palestinians and I think it's a tragedy that those in Gaza have to live under Hamas, which uses its resources to put their lives in danger through $1000 missiles that invite retaliation on the populace.

    You do have compassion for palestinians??You condone Israels use of random execution and their tactics and equate all of palestine as hamas.

    Very strange compassion.


  • #754
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    davmol wrote: »
    You do have compassion for palestinians??You condone Israels use of random execution and their tactics and equate all of palestine as hamas.

    Very strange compassion.

    I just explained how I don't equate all of Palestine as Hamas. I literally just said that. What is 'random execution'? An execution is a capital punishment within a chosen country.


  • #755
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    And the first question?

    None. They see all Israelis as military reservists.

    However, I'm not supporting things like suicide attacks and whatnot. I'm not so ignorant as to ignore the context in which they occur though.


  • #756
    davmol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭davmol


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    I just explained how I don't equate all of Palestine as Hamas. I literally just said that. What is 'random execution'? An execution is a capital punishment within a chosen country.

    Well then my words fit the act exactly.Women and children 'executed' randomly.Murder is what the Israelis commit,you cant get any more capital of a punishment than that.


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  • #757
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    FTA69 wrote: »
    None. They see all Israelis as military reservists.

    However, I'm not supporting things like suicide attacks and whatnot. I'm not so ignorant as to ignore the context in which they occur though.

    I understand the context, but my point is that Hamas is accomplishing nothing for those who voted for them by firing rockets into Israe;, expensive rockets that are swatted away by Iron Dome. They're inviting retaliatory attacks and at this moment they have the option of Egypt's proposed truce or - considering the status quo will not sustain - a ground assault from Israel. Surely you protect your people and sign the truce?


  • #758
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    It would have helped them this time if Hamas hadn't kidnapped three israeli boys and shot them,

    0 evidence that Hamas were behind this, and yet people still make this claim.
    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    ditto the morons who murdered the palistinian boy in revenge.

    And lets not forget the 100s of arrests of Hamas members on the basis of 0 evidence, that they did anything and whats funny is that Netanyahu, knew they weren't behind it all.
    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    But what really went against them was the lobbing of rockets into Israel.

    I agree Hamas shouldn't have fired rockets, but the fact remains Israel broke the truce, when they started arresting member of Hamas, with no proof of any wrong doing on there part.


  • #759
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    I understand the context, but my point is that Hamas is accomplishing nothing for those who voted for them by firing rockets into Israe;, expensive rockets that are swatted away by Iron Dome. They're inviting retaliatory attacks and at this moment they have the option of Egypt's proposed truce or - considering the status quo will not sustain - a ground assault from Israel. Surely you protect your people and sign the truce?

    I agree with you there. The rockets are now ineffectual. Armed struggle is a tactic not a principle, if the tactic isn't working then it should be abandoned.


  • #760
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,671 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    It seems people don't really care. Sure in Ireland, there's been massive cuts to charity organisations that didn't even make news because Garth Brooks has taken over the country!

    i think people don't care because several Charities like Rehab and CRC were caught taking the piss and people have branded most charities the same


  • #761
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    One wonders if our IDF supporters would be such doe-eyed fanboys if the people in the Gaza Strip and WB were primarily white Christians.


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  • #762
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    One wonders if our IDF supporters would be such doe-eyed fanboys if the people in the Gaza Strip and WB were primarily white Christians.

    Has nothing to do with religion or race from me, an athiest living in the Middle East, but I appreciate the broad assumption!


  • #763
    davmol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭davmol


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    One wonders if our IDF supporters would be such doe-eyed fanboys if the people in the Gaza Strip and WB were primarily white Christians.

    Agree.People can justify the slaughter to themselves by tarring the palestinians as Muslim extremists and brainless fanatics that want to wipe out Israel.
    The fact is most palestinians want to prosper,want freedom ,want a land they can call their own but if they try and assert themselves they are beaten down and attacked.To paint them all as terrorists eases peoples sadness at the situation.


  • #764
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    davmol wrote: »
    People can justify the slaughter to themselves by tarring the palestinians as Muslim extremists and brainless fanatics that want to wipe out Israel.

    Which is exactly what was being done earlier in the thread - dehumanizing an entire population of people. As I've said before the Palestinians have been reduced to little more than lab rats that the Israelis test their security/defence wares on. The Palestinians cannot win by force - they can only hope to energize the BDS movement and I'm sure that the latest round of blood-letting will see further divestment.

    The Israeli state and Hamas are very aware that the battle has long moved from Israel/Palestine and is now being fought in the consciousness of the Western public.


  • #765
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    davmol wrote: »
    Agree.People can justify the slaughter to themselves by tarring the palestinians as Muslim extremists and brainless fanatics that want to wipe out Israel.
    The fact is most palestinians want to prosper,want freedom ,want a land they can call their own but if they try and assert themselves they are beaten down and attacked.To paint them all as terrorists eases peoples sadness at the situation.

    Or it highlights the fanatical nature of those who would tar all with the same brush, ironically.


  • #766
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    One wonders if our IDF supporters would be such doe-eyed fanboys if the people in the Gaza Strip and WB were primarily white Christians.

    The west (rightly) stood up against Milosevic' (nominally Christian) Serbia when it was brutalising muslims in Kosova. So I don't buy this simplistic suggestion.


  • #767
    Banjoxed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Banjoxed


    One for the Hamas fanbois.

    http://deathpenaltynews.blogspot.ie/2014/04/gaza-hamas-imposes-radical-new-law.html?m=1


  • #768
    davmol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭davmol


    I think you will be hard pressed to find many Hamas fanbois as you put it.Alot of people pointing out how brutal teh israeli system is and after innocent palestinians(not hamas)have been slaughtered collectively for one groups policies.


  • #769
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    davmol wrote: »
    I think you will be hard pressed to find many Hamas fanbois as you put it.Alot of people pointing out how brutal teh israeli system is and after innocent palestinians(not hamas)have been slaughtered collectively for one groups policies.

    Hamas is the group you mean, right? Hamas is loving the death toll and doing absolutely nothing to deescalate the situation; brings more funding and support across the Arab world.


  • #770
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    From BBC News:
    Israel has resumed its air strikes on Hamas-controlled Gaza, after Israel's brief truce was met with continuing rocket fire.
    Israel had earlier accepted an Egyptian ceasefire proposal and halted operations on Tuesday morning.
    But the armed wing of Hamas rejected the initiative as a "surrender".

    Hamas could have stopped the bloodshed this morning, if they were so inclined. Instead they meet the offer of a truce with rockets.


  • #771
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    The israelis must be loving hamas. hamas firing in rockets that aren't worth a sh!t and then the israelis using it as an excuse to butcher hundreds.


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  • #772
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Rightwing wrote: »
    The israelis must be loving hamas. hamas firing in rockets that aren't worth a sh!t and then the israelis using it as an excuse to butcher hundreds.

    You'd think they'ed stop firing them so.


  • #773
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    The west (rightly) stood up against Milosevic' (nominally Christian) Serbia when it was brutalising muslims in Kosova. So I don't buy this simplistic suggestion.

    Irrelevant.


  • #774
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    You'd think they'ed stop firing them so.

    If they had intelligence they would.

    The scenario reminds me of a cruel person and a stupid animal. The animal won't do what the person wants. Person gives it a savage beating. Then stops. Gives the animal a choice, still won't do it, and another beating. Repeat cycle.


  • #775
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Irrelevant.

    Just contradicting your silly notion from earlier, that people would care more for white Christians.


  • #776
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Rightwing wrote: »
    If they had intelligence they would.

    The scenario reminds me of a cruel person and a stupid animal. The animal won't do what the person wants. Person gives it a savage beating. Then stops. Gives the animal a choice, still won't do it, and another beating. Repeat cycle.

    I think Hamas are not dumb animals. They have the wit to know what is the right thing to do, yet they continue to attack Israel and endanger their own civilians.


  • #777
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Rightwing wrote: »
    If they had intelligence they would.

    The scenario reminds me of a cruel person and a stupid animal. The animal won't do what the person wants. Person gives it a savage beating. Then stops. Gives the animal a choice, still won't do it, and another beating. Repeat cycle.

    Is it easier to dehumanise the Palestinians? Rather than see them as a people who have been violently oppressed?


  • #778
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    I think Hamas are not dumb animals. They have the wit to know what is the right thing to do, yet they continue to attack Israel and endanger their own civilians.

    They are dumb, they have nothing, and probably never will have.
    old hippy wrote: »
    Is it easier to dehumanise the Palestinians? Rather than see them as a people who have been violently oppressed?

    Human beings are the cruelest of all animals. The Israelis and Americans will teach them a lesson. No place for right or wrong I'm afraid. The Law of the Jungle applies.


  • #779
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,642 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Rightwing wrote: »
    If they had intelligence they would.

    The scenario reminds me of a cruel person and a stupid animal. The animal won't do what the person wants. Person gives it a savage beating. Then stops. Gives the animal a choice, still won't do it, and another beating. Repeat cycle.

    You missed the part about the "cruel person" dismantling parts of the "animals" cage and reducing its living space continuously.


  • #780
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Tony EH wrote: »
    You missed the part about the "cruel person" dismantling parts of the "animals" cage and reducing its living space continuously.

    You may be onto something there, but the Israelis have the arabs just where they want them. Any excuse any they can be smashed into oblivion.

    And the fact is: No one cares about the arabs cos of good ole uncle sam. ;)


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  • #781
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    Hamas could have stopped the bloodshed this morning, if they were so inclined. Instead they meet the offer of a truce with rockets.

    I agree that should have stopped this morning, also would have helped if someone spoke to them about the ceasefire, seeing as they are saying they heard about it via the media first. Seems to me that there was a huge screw up in communication, which has contributed to the resumption of violence.

    I think perhaps when negotiating a ceasefire, its best to you know inform both sides, and not ignore one completely, and present the whole thing via the media as fait acompli, as its most likely to not work. I have to say, who exactly taught it was a good idea to not contact Hamas about the ceasefire? Perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to act as a mediator in future, due to the incompetence.


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