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According to the present pope ....... cardinals and bishops have been sex abusers

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  • #32
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Nodin wrote: »
    Ninja Jesus?

    Naah, just after thought effort.


  • #33
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Manach wrote: »
    Can you not feel the historical ignorance kicked off by the OP whose mission in life seems to spreading the ill-cheer when ever there is the slightest anti-Catholic story and giving it the most negative spin. Catholic charities have historically managed to give some measure of sustainence to the poor in society, whilst the ruling elites were business living the high life. To advocate for the banning of RCC one would need to look at how the English endured when this occurred, funnily enough in the lifetime of Shakespeare. Massive social disruption and penury when the state seized and sold off the supports for the poor that got into the pockets of the rich patrons of Shakespeare.
    So the sheer vehemence is more akin to a mob frenzy than anything approaching rational discourse - but what else does one expect from the AH Brights.
    Catholic charities collect money in the form of donations. They distribute various percentages of that money to good causes. Some of these percentages are staggeringly low. Quite a lot of the money that finishes up keeping the vatican in style was never meant to be used in that way.
    Why does the pope wear all those silly but expensive clothes? Certainly not to prove his humility.
    Do you mean to say that the charity that passes through the hands of the church can make up for all the deaths and hatred caused by the church?
    Have you never heard of religious wars?
    I could go on but it's late.


  • #34
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Originally Posted by walk the way 55 viewpost.gif
    say there is 200 million priests in the world and 5 per cent of them are paedophiles, thats still only 10 million . . . .
    RobertKK wrote: »
    That is amazing, considering there is just a bit over 400,000 Catholic priests in the world.

    20,000 so ?

    Ennis 25,360
    Coleraine 25,089
    Kilkenny 24,423
    Tralee 23,693
    Carlow 23,030
    Portadown 22,100
    Newbridge 21,561
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_settlements_on_the_island_of_Ireland_by_population


  • #35
    RobertKK
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    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Catholic charities collect money in the form of donations. They distribute various percentages of that money to good causes. Some of these percentages are staggeringly low. Quite a lot of the money that finishes up keeping the vatican in style was never meant to be used in that way.
    Why does the pope wear all those silly but expensive clothes? Certainly not to prove his humility.
    Do you mean to say that the charity that passes through the hands of the church can make up for all the deaths and hatred caused by the church?
    Have you never heard of religious wars?
    I could go on but it's late.


    Wrong.

    The Diocese of Rome keeps the Vatican funded, just like any diocese. The only exception is the Vatican is itself a tourist attraction which helps raise raise to keep it funded.

    Religious wars....England v Spain. The west versus the east in the Crusades, funded by kingdoms.


  • #36
    RobertKK
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    gctest50 wrote: »
    20,000 so ?

    2% would be 8,000 or so.
    98% would be near enough to 392,000 good priests.


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  • #37
    323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭323


    Only 1 in 50.

    Seems much lower than the occurrence of pedophiles in the general population.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • #38
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,060 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Wrong.

    The Diocese of Rome keeps the Vatican funded, just like any diocese. The only exception is the Vatican is itself a tourist attraction which helps raise raise to keep it funded.

    Is there anywhere that the catholic church's accounting books can be viewed?


  • #39
    gctest50
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    323 wrote: »
    Only 1 in 50.

    Seems much lower than the occurrence of pedophiles in the general population.

    bit suspect that
    "To hand a child over to a clergyman means to expose him/her to a risk which is at least twenty times higher than that of handing him/her over to a teacher, to a neighbour, to a family friend," writes Gaito from Italy. "In regard to what the Church wants you to believe; i.e., that the risk is the same, you only have to analyze the figures to realize that it is not true."
    "The percentage of paedophile priests is 20 to 200 times higher than the incidence found in the secular population," according to a report by Italian psychologist and journalist Vania Lucia Gaito


  • #40
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    RobertKK wrote: »
    2% would be 8,000 or so.
    98% would be near enough to 392,000 good priests.

    hmmmm maths n stuff
    6,700 Austrian clergymen from a population of a 3,400,000 thousand Austrian males.

    17 cases of paedophilia out of 6,700 priests
    510 cases of paedophilia out of 3,400,000 Austrian adult males

    you realize that the percentage of paedophile clergymen – which seemed to be small –is instead very high.

    .


  • #41
    shruikan2553
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    LordChessington wrote: »
    Is there anywhere that the catholic church's accounting books can be viewed?

    They would love to show you but they probably have been lost in a fire


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  • #42
    RobertKK
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    The individual parish churches publish their accounts every year.


  • #43
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Manach wrote: »
    Can you not feel the historical ignorance kicked off by the OP whose mission in life seems to spreading the ill-cheer when ever there is the slightest anti-Catholic story and giving it the most negative spin. Catholic charities have historically managed to give some measure of sustainence to the poor in society, whilst the ruling elites were business living the high life. To advocate for the banning of RCC one would need to look at how the English endured when this occurred, funnily enough in the lifetime of Shakespeare. Massive social disruption and penury when the state seized and sold off the supports for the poor that got into the pockets of the rich patrons of Shakespeare.
    So the sheer vehemence is more akin to a mob frenzy than anything approaching rational discourse - but what else does one expect from the AH Brights.

    One expects that the cheerleaders for the rampant abuses the RCC has carried out will continue to deflect with occasional barbed drive by postings.

    What do you think; Manach?


  • #44
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Catholic charities collect money in the form of donations. They distribute various percentages of that money to good causes. Some of these percentages are staggeringly low. Quite a lot of the money that finishes up keeping the vatican in style was never meant to be used in that way.

    Can you please provide an example of a catholic charity directing money away from good causes and towards the vatican's upkeep?

    I'll give you one:

    Trocaire: http://www.trocaire.org/whatwedo/annual-report

    For every €10 donated, just 80 cent is spent on fundraising and admin.


  • #45
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    I think it is a matter of record (I'm sure google will provide) that there have been men who have abused children made bishops or who have abused while bishops.

    There are thousands of bishops in the world - maybe up to 5-10,000.

    I would nt bet against some of them even making it to the rank of cardinal.

    Sad but true.

    The unfolding Westminster scandal shows that these guys can end up anywhere.


  • #46
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,222 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Manach wrote: »
    Can you not feel the historical ignorance kicked off by the OP whose mission in life seems to spreading the ill-cheer when ever there is the slightest anti-Catholic story and giving it the most negative spin. Catholic charities have historically managed to give some measure of sustainence to the poor in society, whilst the ruling elites were business living the high life. To advocate for the banning of RCC one would need to look at how the English endured when this occurred, funnily enough in the lifetime of Shakespeare. Massive social disruption and penury when the state seized and sold off the supports for the poor that got into the pockets of the rich patrons of Shakespeare.
    So the sheer vehemence is more akin to a mob frenzy than anything approaching rational discourse - but what else does one expect from the AH Brights.

    When are you ever going to take your head out of the sand?


  • #47
    ScumLord
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    Manach wrote: »
    Massive social disruption and penury when the state seized and sold off the supports for the poor that got into the pockets of the rich patrons of Shakespeare.
    The church were just as good at seizing property off the people.

    My granny was left a house in my town and the local priests made her sell them the house because property ownership isn't something for a young woman to be at.


  • #48
    WilyCoyote
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    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    I think it is a matter of record (I'm sure google will provide) that there have been men who have abused children made bishops or who have abused while bishops.

    There are thousands of bishops in the world - maybe up to 5-10,000.

    I would nt bet against some of them even making it to the rank of cardinal.

    Sad but true.

    The unfolding Westminster scandal shows that these guys can end up anywhere.

    The pope has already said that!


  • #49
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    The pope has already said that!

    And now I've said it.

    Pax!


  • #50
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    LordChessington wrote: »
    Is there anywhere that the catholic church's accounting books can be viewed?

    https://www.ior.va/Portals/0/Content/Media/Documents/AnnualReports/dtg389!stpod45/IOR_AnnualReport_E_2013.pdf


  • #51
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    And now I've said it.

    Pax!

    Hasta la vista Shalom baby!


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