Wayne Dundon guilty of Roy Collins murder.

darkdubh · 15-07-2014 01:00PM #1

Hopefully this is the nail in the coffin of the vile Dundon clan.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0715/630801-roy-collins/

AudreyHepburn · 15-07-2014 01:13PM

darkdubh wrote: »

Hopefully this is the nail in the coffin of the vile Dundon clan.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0715/630801-roy-collins/

The only way to end it my opinion, is with actual nails in actual coffins.

I'm not one for advocating violence at all but these 'people' are a waste of space.

JC01 · 15-07-2014 01:15PM

Great to see Ireland finally tackling this kind of crime.

I'm not too optimistic about the sentence he's gonna get though probably ~20 years which means after automatic remission, good behaviour, few suspended years etc hel serve less than 13. 50 years without the possibility of parole would be more like it but fat chance of that happening...

15-07-2014 01:15PM

darkdubh wrote: »

Hopefully this is the nail in the coffin of the vile Dundon clan.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0715/630801-roy-collins/

Great that Roy got justice. Its just a pity that his family will have to live under witness protection for probably the rest of their days.

As for those scrotes, if they were eaten alive by flesh eating bacteria it wouldnt be enough for them. Id pity the bacteria that has to digest the vile b@stard.

cletus van damme · 15-07-2014 01:16PM

JC01 wrote: »

Great to see Ireland finally tackling this kind of crime.

I'm not too optimistic about the sentence he's gonna get though probably ~20 years which means after automatic remission, good behaviour, few suspended years etc hel serve less than 13. 50 years without the possibility of parole would be more like it but fat chance of that happening...

There is only 1 sentence he can get and that's life sentence.
To get out after a Life Sentence you need to pass parole board - there is no set time.

also there is no "automatic remission" for murder but fire away with your ranting.

I Heart Internet · 15-07-2014 01:21PM

JC01 wrote: »

Great to see Ireland finally tackling this kind of crime.

I'm not too optimistic about the sentence he's gonna get though probably ~20 years which means after automatic remission, good behaviour, few suspended years etc hel serve less than 13. 50 years without the possibility of parole would be more like it but fat chance of that happening...

Only sentence for murder in Ireland is life.

Wayne was the lad who came to court in his knickers and a discman, wasn't her?

dirkmeister · 15-07-2014 01:23PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Only sentence for murder in Ireland is life.

Wayne was the lad who came to court in his knickers and a discman, wasn't her?

That was John Dundon I think.

JC01 · 15-07-2014 01:26PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

There is only 1 sentence he can get and that's life sentence.
To get out after a Life Sentence you need to pass parole board - there is no set time.

also there is no "automatic remission" for murder but fire away with your ranting.

I'm not ranting but do you honestly see him spending 40,50,60 years in prison? Never mind the rest of his life? Just look at all the vile monsters convicted in this country and out roaming the streets again. Larry Murphy springs to mind (granted a lazy example, but ya get the idea)

And anyways a "life sentence" in Ireland is a set amount of years because its "unconstitutional" and "inhuman" to lock someone up and throw away the keys.

15-07-2014 01:27PM

Im beginning to think whether capital punishment is the only way at this stage. If a few of these maggots were swinging out of the end of a rope in the middle of a packed Henry Street in Limerick i wonder if they would be that bit keener to conform? Wonder what the Pierpoint family is up to these days?

eviltwin · 15-07-2014 01:30PM

Delighted to read that. It's probably small comfort to the Collins family after all they have been through but hopefully this goes some way to helping them heal. Fair play to them for not backing down.

Reformed Character · 15-07-2014 01:34PM

JC01 wrote: »

And anyways a "life sentence" in Ireland is a set amount of years because its "unconstitutional" and "inhuman" to lock someone up and throw away the keys.

Wrong on so many levels!
We have life sentence prisoners now imprisoned for more than 35 years in this country, many more who have served well over 25 years.
There is nothing unconstitutional about a life sentence per se.

cletus van damme · 15-07-2014 01:38PM

JC01 wrote: »

I'm not ranting but do you honestly see him spending 40,50,60 years in prison? Never mind the rest of his life? Just look at all the vile monsters convicted in this country and out roaming the streets again. Larry Murphy springs to mind (granted a lazy example, but ya get the idea)

And anyways a "life sentence" in Ireland is a set amount of years because its "unconstitutional" and "inhuman" to lock someone up and throw away the keys.

rant away , don't let me stop you.

we have murderers still inside for quite a long time - like this now deceased fella and his partner in crime were jailed in the 70's
http://www.herald.ie/news/serial-killer-who-pledged-to-kill-a-woman-a-week-dies-28008706.html

The life sentence isn't a set years and if a person fails to satisfy the parole board they can be kept inside forever. So I'm not sure where the unconstitutional and inhuman bit comes from.

Larry Murphy was given a set sentence for rape/kidnap not murder so your lazy example is actually wrong.

JC01 · 15-07-2014 01:41PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

Wrong on so many levels!
We have life sentence prisoners now imprisoned for more than 35 years in this country, many more who have served well over 25 years.
There is nothing unconstitutional about a life sentence per se.

Yes but 35+ years is the exception rather than the rule which is the crazy part. Life should mean life no exceptions no ifs ands or buts.

From citizens information:

Prisoners serving very long sentences (including life sentences), are normally reviewed on a number of occasions over a number of years before any substantial concessions would be recommended by the Board. The final decision as to whether a life sentenced prisoner is released, rests solely with the Minister. The length of time spent in custody by offenders serving life sentences can vary substantially. Of those prisoners serving life sentences who have been released, the average sentence served in prison is approximately 12 years. This, however, is only an average; there are prisoners serving life sentences in Ireland who have spent in excess of thirty years in custody.

The average time served is 12 years???

francois · 15-07-2014 01:45PM

JC01 wrote: »

The average time served is 12 years???

17 actually, also while the parole board can recommend release it is up to the discretion of the justice minister whether to accept the recommendation, notorious killers have spent 30+ years in prison, and I don't see any minister releasing any of the dundon brothers for a long time

realdanbreen · 15-07-2014 01:49PM

I'm as delighted as anybody to see the guilty verdict but does anyone else find that the prosecution evidence was a bit iffy to say the least. IMO accepting evidence from the defendents sworn enemies isn't the most reliable evidence.

Robbo · 15-07-2014 01:49PM

JC01 wrote: »

Yes but 35+ years is the exception rather than the rule which is the crazy part. Life should mean life no exceptions no ifs ands or buts.

From citizens information:

Prisoners serving very long sentences (including life sentences), are normally reviewed on a number of occasions over a number of years before any substantial concessions would be recommended by the Board. The final decision as to whether a life sentenced prisoner is released, rests solely with the Minister. The length of time spent in custody by offenders serving life sentences can vary substantially. Of those prisoners serving life sentences who have been released, the average sentence served in prison is approximately 12 years. This, however, is only an average; there are prisoners serving life sentences in Ireland who have spent in excess of thirty years in custody.

The average time served is 12 years???

It's not. It's 22 years on average.

Slattsy · 15-07-2014 01:52PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

I'm as delighted as anybody to see the guilty verdict but does anyone else find that the prosecution evidence was a bit iffy to say the least. IMO accepting evidence from the defendents sworn enemies isn't the most reliable evidence.

Who gives a fúck tbh.

Specialun · 15-07-2014 01:55PM

Im not too sure now but when your in mountjoy for a serious crime do you still get the Full sky Package or do they force you to only have the Entertainment Package only

15-07-2014 01:58PM

francois wrote: »

17 actually, also while the parole board can recommend release it is up to the discretion of the justice minister whether to accept the recommendation, notorious killers have spent 30+ years in prison, and I don't see any minister releasing any of the dundon brothers for a long time

Who will be influenced greatly by the budget and the cost of keeping prisoners no doubt.

realdanbreen · 15-07-2014 01:58PM

Slattsy wrote: »

Who gives a fúck tbh.

Well if you were in the dock and the prosecution called your sworn enemy to give evidence against you then I would say that you might give a fuk?

howamidifferent · 15-07-2014 01:59PM

Specialun wrote: »

Im not too sure now but when your in mountjoy for a serious crime do you still get the Full sky Package or do they force you to only have the Entertainment Package only

Probably get SkyGo on their iPads. :mad:

Evenstevens · 15-07-2014 02:00PM

I always thought that prisoners should pay for their own bed and board while they are inside

AudreyHepburn · 15-07-2014 02:04PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

I'm as delighted as anybody to see the guilty verdict but does anyone else find that the prosecution evidence was a bit iffy to say the least. IMO accepting evidence from the defendents sworn enemies isn't the most reliable evidence.

Somehow I just can't feel any sympathy for Dundon and ilk regardless of the reliability of evidence against them.

A man who would shoot dead an innocent person for some silly perceived slight forfeits his right to be treated with the kid gloves the law would say defendants should be treated with.

realdanbreen · 15-07-2014 02:09PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Somehow I just can't feel any sympathy for Dundon and ilk regardless of the reliability of evidence against them.

A man who would shoot dead an innocent person for some silly perceived slight forfeits his right to be treated with the kid gloves the law would say defendants should be treated with.

Thankfully the justice system is not based on either 'sympathy' or hatred for the defendant.

thebannerboy · 15-07-2014 02:12PM

One of the key witnesses was a guy who had stolen a Merc in the city with a kilo of the Dundons weed inside it. He still owed them the money and they were after for it. He was arrested in Portlaoise after being caught having sex with two 15 year olds. But he claims they were up for it and he didn't rape them. The cops has to escort him out through an enraged mob in the housing estate afterwards. He has been locked up half of his life and admitted making regular trips back home to Limerick and usually 'borrowed' a car to drive back to Portlaoise.

He is hardly a reliable witness is he?

I Heart Internet · 15-07-2014 02:14PM

Evenstevens wrote: »

I always thought that prisoners should pay for their own bed and board while they are inside

That still happens in many less developed parts of the world. You essentially buy you food and water or die.

The gospel line: "I was in prison and you visited me" always seemed kinda simple to me, sure how hard is it to visit someone, until I realised that, in some parts of the world, if people don't visit you (and pay your way) in prison, you'll probably die.

15-07-2014 02:15PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

I'm as delighted as anybody to see the guilty verdict but does anyone else find that the prosecution evidence was a bit iffy to say the least. IMO accepting evidence from the defendents sworn enemies isn't the most reliable evidence.

But the evidence was corroborated by a prison officer. To be honest, its such a volatile world the Dundons inhabit that there is a very hazy line between friends and enemies.

At the end of the day who is to say who really is a friend or enemy of them.

thebannerboy · 15-07-2014 02:18PM

Evenstevens wrote: »

I always thought that prisoners should pay for their own bed and board while they are inside

What if got a 12 month sentence for public disorder and didn't have any money. What is your solution to that? Throw him in the corner until he died of starvation? Like in North Korea maybe?

Ralf and Florian · 15-07-2014 02:20PM

It seemd that Wayne Dundons wife had a big part in egging on Dundon ,she told him that the Collins"won't get away with it".The bitch should go on trial as an accessory to the murder.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/wayne-dundon-and-nathan-killeen-guilty-of-murdering-roy-collins-30433117.html

realdanbreen · 15-07-2014 02:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

But the evidence was corroborated by a prison officer. To be honest, its such a volatile world the Dundons inhabit that there is a very hazy line between friends and enemies.

At the end of the day who is to say who really is a friend or enemy of them.

I heard on the radio that 'some' of the evidence was corroborated by a prison officer but that is very misleading as the officers evidence only placed one of the witnesses in a certain place at a certain time.

mickydoomsux · 15-07-2014 02:22PM

thebannerboy wrote: »

One of the key witnesses was a guy who had stolen a Merc in the city with a kilo of the Dundons weed inside it. He still owed them the money and they were after for it. He was arrested in Portlaoise after being caught having sex with two 15 year olds. But he claims they were up for it and he didn't rape them. The cops has to escort him out through an enraged mob in the housing estate afterwards. He has been locked up half of his life and admitted making regular trips back home to Limerick and usually 'borrowed' a car to drive back to Portlaoise.

He is hardly a reliable witness is he?

Well this is the level of human garbage these type of "people" hang around with.

It's hard to find excellent, pillar-of-society type witnesses amongst the lowest of the low so the justice system has to make do sometimes.

Wayne Dundon guilty of Roy Collins murder.

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