Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

beno619 · 15-07-2014 11:33AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I say Cleverley is bricking it about tomorrow.

Quite the opposite Cleverley's career was in tatters under Moyes.

LVG will either save him or let him leave and start fresh somewhere else.

Backstreet Moyes · 15-07-2014 11:39AM

TheDoc wrote: »

Far fetched fantasy...Cleverly could be eager and maybe LVG can do something with him.

Looked totally uncomfortable in his role last year. Needs his position and responsibilities defined clearly.

He's a neat passer and great stamina...there is hope yet. He is dogged aswell which helps.

But certainly running out of straws

His stamina is terrible for a footballer he is out on his feet after 70 minutes which is puzzling.

The_Kew_Tour · 15-07-2014 11:42AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

His stamina is terrible for a footballer he is out on his feet after 70 minutes which is puzzling.

TBF he ran away from the ball so much last season how he managed 70 minutes was terrific;)

redbaron_99 · 15-07-2014 11:50AM

beno619 wrote: »

Quite the opposite Cleverley's career was in tatters under Moyes.

LVG will either save him or let him leave and start fresh somewhere else.

Start fresh somewhere else? Who would take home at his current wage???

glued · 15-07-2014 11:55AM

I actually think Carrick won't feature a lot next season. Far too pedestrian to feature in a van Gaal team

Vic Vinegar · 15-07-2014 11:57AM

glued wrote: »

I actually think Carrick won't feature a lot next season. Far too pedestrian to feature in a van Gaal team

I'm of the same opinion about Fellaini. I thought he'd be a very good signing but he's been fairly useless.

Carrick will be a back up i'd say (assuming we get our targets in!)

beno619 · 15-07-2014 12:05PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Start fresh somewhere else? Who would take home at his current wage???

Id be shocked if he was on more than £50,000 a week.

I think at 24 he has higher priorities than money, he could have a great career at a smaller club, not every footballer is a mercenary.

Nalz · 15-07-2014 12:07PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

TBF he ran away from the ball so much last season how he managed 70 minutes was terrific;)

Referees should use videos of him for positional sense training!

dahat · 15-07-2014 12:08PM

On Vidal it looks a typical transfer stand off, Juve want more and Utd want to pay less, Juve seemnto have spent the Vidal money already so IMO the pressure is on them to accept a deal.

I believe it will get done but not as quick as we were led to believe over the last few days.

The lack of media leaks from within the club now is great and something that should stay that way.

dahat · 15-07-2014 12:09PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Start fresh somewhere else? Who would take home at his current wage???

Everton

Maximus Alexander · 15-07-2014 12:09PM

Hate when people rip the piss out of players who are giving their best for the club.

It's not his fault he's not good enough.

Quandary · 15-07-2014 12:10PM

According to Sky Sports News, the Vidal quotes are accurate

"I'm already at a great team, Juventus, so I will be just as calm if the Manchester United option falls through."

Based on these quotes, it would appear we have most certainly held talks with the player at the very least.

Hopefully the two clubs can agree on a fee.

redbaron_99 · 15-07-2014 12:15PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Hate when people rip the piss out of players who are giving their best for the club. It's not his fault he's not good enough.

Would you have the same opinion of Fellaini?

TheDoc · 15-07-2014 12:20PM

Quandary wrote: »

According to Sky Sports News, the Vidal quotes are accurate

"I'm already at a great team, Juventus, so I will be just as calm if the Manchester United option falls through."

Based on these quotes, it would appear we have most certainly held talks with the player at the very least.

Hopefully the two clubs can agree on a fee.

Telling you. There is in my opinion a blackout to media. LVG seems the type. Probably not impressed learning our chief exec and previous manager would have texts and phonecalls with journalists about transfers.

You can see by how quiet and uncertain the reliables are. They are getting nothing this summer like they did previously.

I don't think we will get anything concrete a day or so before a transfer is going to go through.

Maximus Alexander · 15-07-2014 12:24PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Would you have the same opinion of Fellaini?

I'm not sure that Fellaini is giving his all, but ostensibly yes, why wouldn't I? I can think he's not good enough and should be moved on, but I'm not going to take the piss out of him as long as he's pulling on the red shirt and trying to win games for United.

redbaron_99 · 15-07-2014 12:27PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I'm not sure that Fellaini is giving his all, but ostensibly yes, why wouldn't I? I can think he's not good enough and should be moved on, but I'm not going to take the piss out of him as long as he's pulling on the red shirt and trying to win games for United.

Neither would I. My own view was that Fellaini couldn't give it his best last season due to injury and the fact that everyone around him playing dirt.
I'd give him one more season to prove himself.

Cleverley has had enough chances at this stage - and I certainly don't believe he's been giving 100%. I've seen a few games where he's strolled around for 90 mins.

Despite all that, I wouldn't slag either off.

Cantona's Collars · 15-07-2014 12:30PM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

United players face Van Gaal trial (ESPN)

Full article here

The Guardian running with pretty much the same story:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/15/louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-fringe-players-contracts?CMP=twt_gu

Maximus Alexander · 15-07-2014 12:32PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Neither would I. My own view was that Fellaini couldn't give it his best last season due to injury and the fact that everyone around him playing dirt.
I'd give him one more season to prove himself.

Cleverley has had enough chances at this stage - and I certainly don't believe he's been giving 100%. I've seen a few games where he's strolled around for 90 mins.

Despite all that, I wouldn't slag either off.

I think Cleverley gives it everything and wears himself out, also his confidence can only have been in tatters last season after the abuse he took from his own fans. As I've said before, I think he's a better player than we've seen, but I doubt he'll ever make the grade. That said, with the right management, who knows?

On Fellaini, I also think last season doesn't represent his ability. It's not that long ago that people in here were crying out for him to be signed when he was running riot for Everton and we haven't seen that player in a United shirt yet. But, there were comments from him during the World Cup saying "I have nothing to prove" which would make me question his attitude. He has everything to prove.

Spazdarn · 15-07-2014 12:35PM

The only issue with Fellaini is that even at his maximum ability in what seems to be his best position, United have much better players in an attacking midfield roll. He wasn't great at MC.

redbaron_99 · 15-07-2014 12:38PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I think Cleverley gives it everything and wears himself out, also his confidence can only have been in tatters last season after the abuse he took from his own fans. As I've said before, I think he's a better player than we've seen, but I doubt he'll ever make the grade. That said, with the right management, who knows?

On Fellaini, I also think last season doesn't represent his ability. It's not that long ago that people in here were crying out for him to be signed when he was running riot for Everton and we haven't seen that player in a United shirt yet. But, there were comments from him during the World Cup saying "I have nothing to prove" which would make me question his attitude. He has everything to prove.

Cleverley has as much if not more to prove IMO.

Neither will make it long term at United unless they improve significantly.

redbaron_99 · 15-07-2014 12:39PM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

The only issue with Fellaini is that even at his maximum ability in what seems to be his best position, United have much better players in an attacking midfield roll. He wasn't great at MC.

I'd probably agree with most of that. But again, you could say the same for Cleverley. We very rarely see his best, and even that will probably not get him ahead of Herrera and Carrick, and certainly not Vidal. :pac:

Spazdarn · 15-07-2014 12:40PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

I'd probably agree with most of that. But again, you could say the same for Cleverley. We very rarely see his best, and even that will probably not get him ahead of Herrera and Carrick, and certainly not Vidal. :pac:

Cleverley would garner around 8million considering his age too which would be pretty decent money for a player, no really in your plans. The squad is huge as it is...

Nalz · 15-07-2014 12:42PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Hate when people rip the piss out of players who are giving their best for the club. It's not his fault he's not good enough.

Well I like to turn annoying frequent face palming fist clenching situations into a laugh now and again to lighten the mode... situations like when Cleverley runs away from the play and out of space instead of in.

Is he giving his best by not learning basic positional sense or hiding or whatever the hell he's doing? Cas whatever it is its extremely poor and frustrating to watch, especially for a guy that had some promise and is on a good wage at a great club. Turning that into a light hearted joke during the summer break is not such a bad thing to do.

There's bigger things out there to "hate"

Mitch Connor · 15-07-2014 12:44PM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Cleverley would garner around 8million considering his age too which would be pretty decent money for a player, no really in your plans. The squad is huge as it is...

Not at CM it is not.

Herrera, Carrick, Fellaini, Cleverley, Fletcher.

5 central midfielders. (i'm not gonna count Anderson, he has no fecking chance of staying).

I would keep Cleverley over Fellaini, and based on what I reckon the chances are of actually playing much football, I would keep him over Fletcher too.

Cleverley could be a good squad option in a LVG side, imo, and the fact he is homegrown (PL and Euro quotas) would been even more reason to keep TC imo.

Delboy5 · 15-07-2014 12:44PM

Andy Mitten put an update on his Playup app there, basically says wages with Vidal arent an issue, the issue is the club dont want to get into a bidding war for the player and they want to see from him that he wants United.....

Link:
http://news.playup.com/articles/2848690-update-july-15

ericzeking · 15-07-2014 12:48PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Not at CM it is not.

Herrera, Carrick, Fellaini, Cleverley, Fletcher.

5 central midfielders. (i'm not gonna count Anderson, he has no fecking chance of staying).

I would keep Cleverley over Fellaini, and based on what I reckon the chances are of actually playing much football, I would keep him over Fletcher too.

Cleverley could be a good squad option in a LVG side, imo, and the fact he is homegrown (PL and Euro quotas) would been even more reason to keep TC imo.

Oi....This could be Andersons year....fresh start :cool:

Headshot · 15-07-2014 12:49PM

ericzeking wrote: »

Oi....This could be Andersons year....fresh start :cool:

The only thing he likes is a fresh Pizza

redbaron_99 · 15-07-2014 12:52PM

Tom Cleverley is not good enough, too much of a lightweight, doesn't find space, doesn't provide chances for the attackers, doesn't get into position to take the ball from the defenders, way too soft in the tackle. Time to move him on.

I'd rather give Ben Pearson a shot than keep TC around.

Corvo · 15-07-2014 12:55PM

Whether Cleverley is good enough or not, the fact of the matter is we are not stocked enough in midfield to dispose of him unless we see a replacement - which I can't see coming in this summer (i.e. not an additional midfielder to Herrera and possibly Vidal) and as such, I think he will stay.

Actually, I'll throw my neck on the line - he will sign a new contract. Much to our displeasure.

markcahill1985 · 15-07-2014 01:00PM

Surely its time to give Powell a chance as well?

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