A rural vs urban aspect to the Garth Brooks fiasco

JupiterKid · 14-07-2014 02:18AM

Tigger wrote: »

Can you back this up or is it your opinion ?

Like iguana opined, the results on almost every "morality" referendum held in this country show a clear urban/rural divide. Just because rural areas tend to be more conservative doesn't mean I'm trying to put them down.

Just wait until the same-sex marriage referendum to be held next year. I would bet on Dublin, its commuter hinterland and the provincial cities all voting yes and the strongest no votes coming from rural areas - especially Donegal and Kerry.

S.O · 14-07-2014 02:50AM

JupiterKid wrote: »

Like it or not there is a huge divide between urban and rural Ireland. But urban Ireland is not represented by Dublin alone. There's also the provincial cities of Cork, Limerick, Galway, Waterford and the bigger towns like Dundalk, Drogheda, Sligo, Athlone, Navan, Wexford etc.

Urban Ireland is consistently more liberal and tolerant of minorities. Rural Ireland tends to be more conservative in its social outlook. And like or not country and western music including Garth Brooks is way more popular in rural areas.

I live and come from a small city area, going by the recent euro/local election results for the city I live and rural areas outside the city, out in the county, I concur with your view that rural Ireland is more conservative, in the city area SF/Independents and others done well some elected SF councillors even topped the polls in some of the city electoral wards, in the rural county FG + FF between the two of them got 50% of the vote they got a lot more councillors elected in the rural areas compared to the city areas, same with the euro elections more votes went to FG + FF in the euro election in the rural areas also.

ToddyDoody · 14-07-2014 07:25AM

Muise... wrote: »

I think it's more of an emotional vs rational aspect really.

excellent.

14-07-2014 07:53AM

Mira Rancid Stockiness wrote: »

That is such an incorrect stereotype of rural people. Farms and Irish dancing? Oh come off it!
I have lived in a rural area all my life - we are not farmers neither do we have any interest in farming. As for Irish dancing, the few that ever were involved in it around here went to town for their dance classes, feis, etc.
Most around here are business people, executives, nurses, teachers, accountants, and the like.
Of course there are farms - they need to be in rural areas by definition - but it does not define rural people. We too are concerned about restaurants and crime and many work in offices.
Most I have heard on radio about the Brooks concerts have been urban dwellers.
The misguided assertions in the OP are, I feel, just designed to raise all the old clichéd images of both urban and rural dwellers.

I have lived in areas that are.. urban, rural, and in a common situation in Ireland a sort of mixed suburban/rural enclave.

There is a difference in between urban and rural Ireland, it is nothing to do with the sort of work people do and nothing to do with being a farmer or your musical tastes, it more subtle that that.

WesternZulu · 14-07-2014 08:35AM

In rural Ireland you're at most one generation away from the land.
Whereas in Dublin, you're at most one generation away from a heroin addict.

bumper234 · 14-07-2014 08:39AM

WesternZulu wrote: »

In rural Ireland you're at most one generation away from the land.
Whereas in Dublin, you're at most one generation away from a heroin addict.

Yeah

No drugs problems in small town Ireland :rolleyes:

WesternZulu · 14-07-2014 08:41AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Yeah

No drugs problems in small town Ireland :rolleyes:

Well it's no more of a generalisation than the original post.

Muise... · 14-07-2014 08:43AM

JupiterKid wrote: »

Like iguana opined, the results on almost every "morality" referendum held in this country show a clear urban/rural divide. Just because rural areas tend to be more conservative doesn't mean I'm trying to put them down.

Just wait until the same-sex marriage referendum to be held next year. I would bet on Dublin, its commuter hinterland and the provincial cities all voting yes and the strongest no votes coming from rural areas - especially Donegal and Kerry.

It is still a very small margin of less than 10%; often ending up as a Yes by 2% rather than a No, nowhere near a divide of the proportions some Dubliners either fear or relish.

I was a student in Dublin when the divorce referendum was held. Got the bus home to Galway West to vote it in and was really hoping the return bus would get me back to Dublin in time to see David Bowie at the Point. It didn't.

Next day I had to listen to "urban" fellow students fret that me and my fellow boggers were going to ruin everything. We didn't. The result was incredibly close everywhere.

bumper234 · 14-07-2014 08:44AM

I do agree that the op has "generalised" a lot but he does have a point

Rural people like things like farms, Irish dancing and questions. Urban people care more about restaurants, crime and offices.

I know a lot of rural people and they do like Irish dancing and farming (it's their job) and they sure as **** ask me a bunch of questions when i visit

City folk do care about restaurants and crime and most won't shut up about the office they work in and the "Bitches" they have to deal with

cournioni · 14-07-2014 11:15AM

I remember when we had a woman from Tallaght working with us, she used to listen to a country music radio station based in Dublin called Sunshine FM and some other one.

I wouldn't say that Country music is entirely exclusive to rural people.

The_Captain · 14-07-2014 12:13PM

Mira Rancid Stockiness wrote: »

Sorry but do you mean Dublin and the rest of the country, or urban and rural, or do you actually see a two way split of the country as Dublin on one hand and everything else is "rural"?

It's this.

"But I'm from Bishoptown/Castlebar/Limerick City!"

Nah mate, you're still a bogger

Markx · 14-07-2014 12:22PM

If there is a rural urban divide in Ireland it may just be a state of mind for some Dubliners because in the grander world scheme Dublin isn't a big city. It doesn't have any real ghettos or industrial or commercial districts. It has no underground, only 2 trams, half a ring road, and a few small to medium sized shopping centres.

I'm not sure what distinguishes it from Cork, Limerick, Galway or Belfast apart from a fairly minor difference in population size....

14-07-2014 12:25PM

There isn't a major Dublin/rural split with most things.

There is with Garth Brooks though.

The_Captain · 14-07-2014 12:41PM

Markx wrote: »

If there is a rural urban divide in Ireland it may just be a state of mind for some Dubliners because in the grander world scheme Dublin isn't a big city. It doesn't have any real ghettos or industrial or commercial districts. It has no underground, only 2 trams, half a ring road, and a few small to medium sized shopping centres.

I'm not sure what distinguishes it from Cork, Limerick, Galway or Belfast apart from a fairly minor difference in population size....

The combined populations of Cork, Limerick, Galway and Belfast is only about half the population of Dublin...

iguana · 14-07-2014 12:43PM

Markx wrote: »

I'm not sure what distinguishes it from Cork, Limerick, Galway or Belfast apart from a fairly minor difference in population size....

Dublin is quite a bit bigger than the other cities and it has a large sprawl so it has quite a few nice urban villages like Ranelagh, Dalkey, Howth, etc. Which gives it a mini-London vibe. Though when I say mini, I really mean mini. After years living in London I'd return to Dublin and find it really parochial and try hard. I've lived in Limerick, Dublin and London and in terms of facilities, entertainment, diversity, etc Dublin has far more in common with Limerick than it does London.

The insistence that it's the only city in the country reminds me of an eleven year old insisting to the adults that it's grown up and should sit with them instead of with it's nine and seven year old cousins. There are differences between Dublin and the other cities certainly, but ultimately Dublin is a medium sized city at the outer-edge of Europe not an important, bustling metropolis.

Balmed Out · 14-07-2014 12:52PM

The_Captain wrote: »

The combined populations of Cork, Limerick, Galway and Belfast is only about half the population of Dublin...

The combined populations of what you listed would pretty much equal Dublin. No problem with Dublin but its annoying how some posters feel the need to belittle every other urban area.

iguana wrote: »

The insistence that it's the only city in the country reminds me of an eleven year old insisting to the adults that it's grown up and should sit with them instead of with it's nine and seven year old cousins. There are differences between Dublin and the other cities certainly, but ultimately Dublin is a medium sized city at the outer-edge of Europe not an important, bustling metropolis.

Very true, not just a Dublin thing though. Can't understand why so many grown adults seem to need to continuously exclaim where im from is better then where youre from.

The_Captain · 14-07-2014 01:05PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

The combined populations of what you listed would pretty much equal Dublin. No problem with Dublin but its annoying how some posters feel the need to belittle every other urban area.

I'm sure you can argue semantics over boundaries, but the CSO gives the Greater Dublin Area a population of 1.8 million

Balmed Out · 14-07-2014 01:10PM

The_Captain wrote: »

I'm sure you can argue semantics over boundaries, but the CSO gives the Greater Dublin Area a population of 1.8 million

Ah get away out of that County Dublin is about 1.25. You have to draw a line somewhere, if not why don't you just scratch Ireland and you can live in a city of 4.5million.

iguana · 14-07-2014 01:12PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

Very true, not just a Dublin thing though. Can't understand why so many grown adults seem to need to continuously exclaim where im from is better then where youre from.

Well some places are better.:D Have you ever been to Cardiff? Now there is a city of a similar scale to Dublin that is doing it right. It's everything that Dublin should be but often isn't. Far more charming and attractive, better transport infrastructure, even though in general Welsh transport is as poor as here, if not poorer. Better architecture, the Castle Quarter is beautiful, practical and has a friendliness urban Dublin has lost. Even my Dublin husband who has always been a huge cheerleader for his home city refers to Dublin as a crappy version of Cardiff now.

And yet during the time I lived in Wales I never, ever heard a Cardiff person fart on about how Cardiff is the only city in Wales and Swansea or Newport is the bog.

laugh · 14-07-2014 01:13PM

Most professional people in Dublin are only one or two generations off the farm.

SEPT 23 1989 · 14-07-2014 01:34PM

The_Captain wrote: »

The combined populations of Cork, Limerick, Galway and Belfast is only about half the population of Dublin...

Tallaght has a bigger population than some of those "cities"

Amirani · 14-07-2014 01:43PM

iguana wrote: »

Well some places are better.:D Have you ever been to Cardiff? Now there is a city of a similar scale to Dublin that is doing it right. It's everything that Dublin should be but often isn't. Far more charming and attractive, better transport infrastructure, even though in general Welsh transport is as poor as here, if not poorer. Better architecture, the Castle Quarter is beautiful, practical and has a friendliness urban Dublin has lost. Even my Dublin husband who has always been a huge cheerleader for his home city refers to Dublin as a crappy version of Cardiff now.

And yet during the time I lived in Wales I never, ever heard a Cardiff person fart on about how Cardiff is the only city in Wales and Swansea or Newport is the bog.

Really not a fan of Cardiff at all. You're genuinely one of the first people I've heard saying it's a better city than Dublin, and I've lived in London for quite a while, where a lot of people would've seen both on a number of occasions.

KingOfFairview · 14-07-2014 02:15PM

laugh wrote: »

Most professional people in Dublin are only one or two generations off the farm.

Often this is the case, but most farmers also have relatives in the smoke (slang for Dublin)

Markx · 14-07-2014 02:18PM

The_Captain wrote: »

The combined populations of Cork, Limerick, Galway and Belfast is only about half the population of Dublin...

Yeah a fairly minor difference in terms of big cities. Having lived in Limerick Dublin and London for extended periods of time and actually being from the mightiest of all cities - Kilkenny, I feel Dublin is far closer to Limerick than London. But none of them hold a candle to The Marble City.

Dublin suits a small-time country boy like me just fine after London, coz its nice and cozy. I feel at home.

Buzz Killington the third · 14-07-2014 02:35PM

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Rural people like things like farms, Irish dancing and questions. Urban people care more about restaurants, crime and offices.

I'd swing my pitchfork in protest but I'm not a rural person so I don't have one...

cournioni · 14-07-2014 07:04PM

The_Captain wrote: »

I'm sure you can argue semantics over boundaries, but the CSO gives the Greater Dublin Area a population of 1.8 million

You do realise that the Dublin metropolitan area includes counties Wicklow, Kildare, and Meath right?

marieholmfan · 14-07-2014 07:08PM

cournioni wrote: »

You do realise that the Dublin metropolitan area includes counties Wicklow, Kildare, and Meath right?

Why not Louth and Carlow?
You remind me of the red queen.

Nermal · 14-07-2014 07:24PM

iguana wrote: »

Well some places are better.:D Have you ever been to Cardiff? Now there is a city of a similar scale to Dublin that is doing it right.

Haha, Cardiff of a similar scale to Dublin!

Dublin's competing with cities in the rank of Munich, Barcelona, Vienna.

The reason you never heard a Cardiff person fart on about how Cardiff is the only city in Wales is because there are basically no cities worth the name in Wales.

My name is URL · 14-07-2014 07:36PM

Nermal wrote: »

Dublin's competing with cities in the rank of Munich, Barcelona, Vienna.

It is in its hole! The delusion of some Dublin folk is hilarious.

7 Vienna - 1,775,843
11 Barcelona - 1,620,943
12 Munich - 1,388,308
13 Milan - 1,324,169

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53 Gothenburg - 528,014
54 Dublin - 525,383
55 Bradford - 524,619

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_cities_of_the_European_Union_by_population_within_city_limits

Nermal · 14-07-2014 09:50PM

My name is URL wrote: »

It is in its hole! The delusion of some Dublin folk is hilarious.

Don't be a size queen.

http://www.lboro.ac.uk/gawc/world2012t.html

A rural vs urban aspect to the Garth Brooks fiasco

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