A rural vs urban aspect to the Garth Brooks fiasco

KingOfFairview

This isn't really about the gig, rather something it may have done a light on.

I think there is quote the rural/urban divide in Ireland, which is bring more exposed every day. Rural people like things like farms, Irish dancing and questions. Urban people care more about restaurants, crime and offices. That's always been the way. But is a certain bitterness being exposed in our society?

And who has the right of it all?

Muise...

I think it's more of an emotional vs rational aspect really.

My name is URL

Seems to be more of a Dublin vs everywhere else thing when it comes to Ireland, rather than a general urban vs rural divide.

oak5548

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Rural people like things like farms, Irish dancing and questions.

Facepalm.

Donkey Oaty

I see it as a conflict between the rich inner-city accents and the poor taste in music.

mal1

Shows how much each have in common. There's a bit of nimbyism in us all.

Strazdas

There's probably a lot of truth to this. Brooks seems to be far more popular in rural Ireland than he is in Dublin. I notice too that most, if not all, well known country music acts in Ireland are from rural areas.....I don't think there has ever been a well known country singer from Dublin?

My name is URL

Strazdas wrote: »

There's probably a lot of truth to this. Brooks seems to be far more popular in rural Ireland than he is in Dublin. I notice too that most, if not all, well known country music acts in Ireland are from rural areas.....I don't think there has ever been a well known country singer from Dublin?

It'd almost make you wonder why that genre of music is called 'country'

Rabbo

It's annoying when people refer to everywhere outside the M50 as rural. I dont think you'd consider yourself as living in rural Ireland if you were living in Bishopstown or Myross

Muise...

Rabbo wrote: »

It's annoying when people refer to everywhere outside the M50 as rural. I dont think you'd consider yourself as living in rural Ireland if you were living in Bishopstown or Myross

We rural ruritarian rednecks have to get over that quickly, after the first few times in the big shmoke when people ask "are you from the country?" and we think they're questioning our nationality.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

That is such an incorrect stereotype of rural people. Farms and Irish dancing? Oh come off it!
I have lived in a rural area all my life - we are not farmers neither do we have any interest in farming. As for Irish dancing, the few that ever were involved in it around here went to town for their dance classes, feis, etc.
Most around here are business people, executives, nurses, teachers, accountants, and the like.
Of course there are farms - they need to be in rural areas by definition - but it does not define rural people. We too are concerned about restaurants and crime and many work in offices.
Most I have heard on radio about the Brooks concerts have been urban dwellers.
The misguided assertions in the OP are, I feel, just designed to raise all the old clichéd images of both urban and rural dwellers.

Shanotheslayer

Rabbo wrote: »

It's annoying when people refer to everywhere outside the M50 as rural. I dont think you'd consider yourself as living in rural Ireland if you were living in Bishopstown or Myross

Had to google where they were :pac:

knird evol

Rabbo wrote: »

I dont think you'd consider yourself as living in rural Ireland if you were living in Bishopstown or Myross

That depends.
Do you find yourself interested by Questions?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Strazdas wrote: »

There's probably a lot of truth to this. Brooks seems to be far more popular in rural Ireland than he is in Dublin. I notice too that most, if not all, well known country music acts in Ireland are from rural areas.....I don't think there has ever been a well known country singer from Dublin?

Sorry but do you mean Dublin and the rest of the country, or urban and rural, or do you actually see a two way split of the country as Dublin on one hand and everything else is "rural"?

KingOfFairview

Theyres a guitarslinger goes by the name of mike Denver who could be classified as Irelands Garth brooks. But if he played in Dublin, hordes of big-city haters would unappreciate him at best, murder him with carving knives at worst.

Same if Aslan played Mullingar

House of Blaze

knird evol wrote: »

That depends.
Do you find yourself interested by Questions?

I'm interested in the question of who really gives a f**k about any of this, but that's just me!

wp_rathead

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Rural people like things like farms, Irish dancing and questions.

Do we?

nc19

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Same if Aslan played Mullingar

Do they not have scumbags junkies in mullingeeeyar already???

KingOfFairview

I'm no sociologist, but this divide seems to be getting worse v every day. There's a perceived"coolness" about Dublin that farmers and their ilk envy.

Rightwing

Irish people v Logic.

And alas, logic won't win out I'm afraid.

Shakespeare's Sister

Rightwing wrote: »

Irish people v Logic.

And alas, logic won't win out I'm afraid.

I'm Irish and have a good grasp of logic - what nationality are you?

Rightwing

Magaggie wrote: »

I'm Irish and have a good grasp of logic - what nationality are you?

Irish, and I've no logic, completely backing up point.

Henry Sidney

KingOfFairview wrote: »

I'm no sociologist, but this divide seems to be getting worse v every day. There's a perceived"coolness" about Dublin that farmers and their ilk envy.

That's quite funny, as for most people outside Ireland Dublin is seen as a quaint little city and definitely not one with a "coolness" about it, and when we visit the locals seem to wish they lived somewhere cooler, like a real city such as New York or London judging by the fake accents they put on.

KingOfFairview

Henry Sidney wrote: »

That's quite funny, as for most people outside Ireland Dublin is seen as a quaint little city and definitely not one with a "coolness" about it, and when we visit the locals seem to wish they lived somewhere cooler, like a real city such as New York or London judging by the fake accents they put on.

I must say I haven't heard many people in Dublin pretending to have NY or London accents, could it be that the bright lights of the capital simultaneously lure the countryfolk towards them, but lime Icarus they get burnt when they can't stand the big-city pace of life?

Frank Lee Midere

KingOfFairview wrote: »

I'm no sociologist, but this divide seems to be getting worse v every day. There's a perceived"coolness" about Dublin that farmers and their ilk envy.

There's a perceived smell of "trolling" from this entire thread.

KingOfFairview

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

There's a perceived smell of "trolling" from this entire thread.

No, it's just an observation on Irish society

Rightwing

KingOfFairview wrote: »

No, it's just an observation on Irish society

Brooks is 1 of the biggest selling artists of all time in the world. Now, if was just confined to Ireland, I might say the thread is on to something.

KingOfFairview

Rightwing wrote: »

Brooks is 1 of the biggest selling artists of all time in the world. Now, if was just confined to Ireland, I might say the thread is on to something.

I don't get your point

Rightwing

KingOfFairview wrote: »

I don't get your point

Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.

I did mention logic a while back. Eh ?

KingOfFairview

Rightwing wrote: »

Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.

I did mention logic a while back. Eh ?

You're saying that because mr brooks is popular globally, there isn't a rural urban divide in Ireland?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

KingOfFairview wrote: »

I don't get your point

Right back at you , as they say in the big city.

KingOfFairview

Mira Rancid Stockiness wrote: »

Right back at you , as they say in the big city.

Stuff going on here 24/7. Can't say the same about Leitrim or Monaghan

Sam Kade

Yet another Dublin v rest of the country thread. But why use Garth brooks as a decoy?

oldyouth

There is no difference between urbanites and country folk, we all shag our cousins..

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Stuff going on here 24/7. Can't say the same about Leitrim or Monaghan

I haven't been to Monaghan or Leitrim for many years but I presume stuff happens there 24/7, as you put it, because regardless of your limited understanding of the country "stuff" has to happen everywhere all the time. It's simple physics.

hatrickpatrick

KingOfFairview wrote: »

This isn't really about the gig, rather something it may have done a light on.

I think there is quote the rural/urban divide in Ireland, which is bring more exposed every day. Rural people like things like farms, Irish dancing and questions. Urban people care more about restaurants, crime and offices. That's always been the way. But is a certain bitterness being exposed in our society?

And who has the right of it all?

My view is that urban life is urban life and entails busy-ness. Rural life entails solitude and a certain amount of quiet, and rightly so.
But in my view living in the centre a big city means living amongst crowds, activity, life. One does not simply demand a rural existence while living right in the middle of the capital city of a modern nation.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

My view is that urban life is urban life and entails busy-ness. Rural life entails solitude and a certain amount of quiet, ...

Yet again, wrong. Life and work is every bit as busy for most rural dwellers. We're not all mowing hay and walking the fields all day you know.

muddypaws

KingOfFairview wrote: »

I'm no sociologist, but this divide seems to be getting worse v every day. There's a perceived"coolness" about Dublin that farmers and their ilk envy.

So you're actually asking if there is a divide between Dubliners and farmers? What about Dublin farmers?

hatrickpatrick

Mira Rancid Stockiness wrote: »

Yet again, wrong. Life and work is every bit as busy for most rural dwellers. We're not all mowing hay and walking the fields all day you know.

That's not what I mean by busy, I mean crowds, noise, and above all a 24/7 existence. Life in a city doesn't stop just because the sun goes down. It's like my argument over curfews on Grafton St on a Saturday night - if you want a quiet weekend, don't live on the busiest commercial street in the capital.

Duckworth_Luas

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Stuff going on here 24/7. Can't say the same about Leitrim or Monaghan

I was in Fairview at 3:30 this morning and nothing was happening.

Even the center of the local community, Hillbilly's Fried Chicken, was closed.

Shakespeare's Sister

Rightwing wrote: »

Brooks is 1 of the biggest selling artists of all time in the world. Now, if was just confined to Ireland, I might say the thread is on to something.

Isn't it that his fanbase is concentrated in Ireland and certain parts of America though?
If he's one of the biggest selling artists of all time in the world... well that applies to Michael Jackson, Prince, U2, Madonna, but people in the UK haven't even heard of Garth Brooks, yet obviously they've heard of the above four.

Strazdas

My name is URL wrote: »

It'd almost make you wonder why that genre of music is called 'country'

Well "country" in this case doesn't equate to "rural" : Nashville is actually a much bigger city than Dublin

KingOfFairview

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

My view is that urban life is urban life and entails busy-ness. Rural life entails solitude and a certain amount of quiet, and rightly so.
But in my view living in the centre a big city means living amongst crowds, activity, life. One does not simply demand a rural existence while living right in the middle of the capital city of a modern nation.

Very good post

Strazdas

Mira Rancid Stockiness wrote: »

Sorry but do you mean Dublin and the rest of the country, or urban and rural, or do you actually see a two way split of the country as Dublin on one hand and everything else is "rural"?

In the case of the following for country music in Ireland, I've no idea how it is perceived in Cork, Limerick and Galway, so I was only able to use Dublin as a reference point for it's apparent lack of popularity in the capital compared to other parts of the country.

KingOfFairview

Strazdas wrote: »

In the case of the following for country music in Ireland, I've no idea how it is perceived in Cork, Limerick and Galway, so I was only able to use Dublin as a reference point for it's apparent lack of popularity in the capital compared to other parts of the country.

What's the city equivalent of C&W? Rap?

Amirani

muddypaws wrote: »

What about Dublin farmers?

Are they the folks in Drumcondra that plant herbs out their back gardens? Live and let live I guess.

Daniel7740

Mira Rancid Stockiness wrote: »

. We're not all mowing hay and walking the fields all day you know.

yeah because making hay isnt considered being busy at all :pac:

Markx

KingOfFairview wrote: »

I think there is quote the rural/urban divide in Ireland, which is bring more exposed every day. Rural people like things like farms, Irish dancing and questions. Urban people care more about restaurants, crime and offices. That's always been the way. But is a certain bitterness being exposed in our society?

Hahaha thats hilarious!! Love to see the science behind that statement. I live in Dublin coz I care about offices.

mikemac1

KingOfFairview wrote: »

What's the city equivalent of C&W? Rap?

Dickie Rock is from Cabra

The dubs love Dickie so they do

My name is URL

Magaggie wrote: »

that applies to Michael Jackson, Prince, U2, Madonna..

..people in the UK haven't even heard of Garth Brooks, yet obviously they've heard of the above four

That's all terribly generalised isn't it?!

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Daniel7740 wrote: »

yeah because making hay isnt considered being busy at all :pac:

Ach, you know what I mean in the context of the idyllic image of rural life being espoused.