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    Redstart Kale

    • 12-07-2014 11:15AM
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      milkprofit
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      Has anyone sown this


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      severeoversteer
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      i am going sowing it soon, busy getting some grass seeds in first though


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      Greengrass1
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      Sowed it last yr. Powerful crop of stuff of it. If you go back through jersey101 account you might see the photos of it. I'll see if I still have them on my phone
      Its a member of the beet family so the more p smd k you put on it the bigger crop you will get.
      I hear beet compound does a good job on it


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      Greengrass1
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      That had another 3 weeks to grow at that stage but we were tight on grass with drought so we started grazing. That was last yrs bunch of incalf heifers on it


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      blue5000
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      How tall did it get? Thinking of growing some this year too.

      If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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      Greengrass1
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      blue5000 wrote: »
      How tall did it get? Thinking of growing some this year too.

      Up to my chest in places. 5ft would be no bother to it


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      Damo810
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      Greengrass1 wrote: »
      Sowed it last yr. Powerful crop of stuff of it. If you go back through jersey101 account you might see the photos of it. I'll see if I still have them on my phone
      Its a member of the beet family so the more p smd k you put on it the bigger crop you will get.
      I hear beet compound does a good job on it

      Did you have to apply sodium to it aswell?


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      Greengrass1
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      Damo810 wrote: »
      Did you have to apply sodium to it aswell?

      I didn't any way


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      O2b
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      What are the main differences between kale and redstart apart from you can set it later? Is it similar in terms of yield?


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      Sam Kade
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      I though redstart contained more forage rape than kale.


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      blue5000
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      AFAIK redstart is a hybrid of rape and kale.

      If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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      O2b
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      So less of a yield with higher protein content than kale?


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      milkprofit
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      Greengrass1 wrote: »
      Sowed it last yr. Powerful crop of stuff of it. If you go back through jersey101 account you might see the photos of it. I'll see if I still have them on my phone
      Its a member of the beet family so the more p smd k you put on it the bigger crop you will get.
      I hear beet compound does a good job on it

      Can u detail sowing tilling fert etc details


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      Greengrass1
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      milkprofit wrote: »
      Can u detail sowing tilling fert etc details

      Was a field we cut a soft wood forest out off
      Ploughed it. Harrowed it. And put outf seed with spinner and rolled it. Put out the fert that was reckomened. Can't remember what or how much but it was a compound .
      They reckomemd you too dress it also too.
      And if you sow in in may/June and graze early it will regrow


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      trixi2011
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      Greengrass1 wrote: »
      Was a field we cut a soft wood forest out off
      Ploughed it. Harrowed it. And put outf seed with spinner and rolled it. Put out the fert that was reckomened. Can't remember what or how much but it was a compound .
      They reckomemd you too dress it also too.
      And if you sow in in may/June and graze early it will regrow
      Did you milk off it gg ?


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      Greengrass1
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      trixi2011 wrote: »
      Did you milk off it gg ?

      Ye we did. Found cows did better on fodder rape. But good all the same


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      trixi2011
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      Greengrass1 wrote: »
      Ye we did. Found cows did better on fodder rape. But good all the same
      grazed kale with milkers before great job but you wouldn't want to push them to hard on it. A lot of farms starting to graze fodder beet in nz before I left. Suppose to be the answer to lack of winter grazing


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      Greengrass1
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      trixi2011 wrote: »
      grazed kale with milkers before great job but you wouldn't want to push them to hard on it. A lot of farms starting to graze fodder beet in nz before I left. Suppose to be the answer to lack of winter grazing

      Ye lot of lass doing that around me now too.
      How do yr find being home again?
      Welcome back


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      trixi2011
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      Greengrass1 wrote: »
      Ye lot of lass doing that around me now too.
      How do yr find being home again?
      Welcome back
      some change now taking a while to get used to it again. the weather has been savage makes life a whole lot easier.


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      sandydan
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      Greengrass1 wrote: »
      Ye we did. Found cows did better on fodder rape. But good all the same
      any copper deficiency issues, or do you supplement with copper or iodine anyway, had issue a few years back after rape was almost complete winter feed for a few winters , just a remark vet made about it,


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      Greengrass1
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      sandydan wrote: »
      any copper deficiency issues, or do you supplement with copper or iodine anyway, had issue a few years back after rape was almost complete winter feed for a few winters , just a remark vet made about it,

      No issues. They were only on it for 2-3hrs in the day and back up in shed for silage. And minerals in water


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      sandydan
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      Greengrass1 wrote: »
      No issues. They were only on it for 2-3hrs in the day and back up in shed for silage. And minerals in water

      different feeding regime. i had to feed 1oz per head monosodium phosphate to correct phos deficiency in cows, actually got 25kg bag and miller added to 4ton ration when blending sorted empties problem in 6 weeks.costly lesson.added iodine to drinking water troughs too and cooper and selenium bolus.
      i was feeding hi-phos minerals at time and took blood samples but


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      Greengrass1
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      sandydan wrote: »
      different feeding regime. i had to feed 1oz per head monosodium phosphate to correct phos deficiency in cows, actually got 25kg bag and miller added to 4ton ration when blending sorted empties problem in 6 weeks.costly lesson.added iodine to drinking water troughs too and cooper and selenium bolus.
      i was feeding hi-phos minerals at time and took blood samples but
      That's what we in winter here as well.
      All stick get trace elements in water and then winter milkers get the dicalcium phosphate through the wagon in the silage


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      restive
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      Do you have to supplement it with a fibre source?


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      trixi2011
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      You would be safer to give them a few kg of silage r straw before letting them on to the crop. Can cause bloat, frost on the leaves isn't good either.


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      trixi2011 wrote: »
      You would be safer to give them a few kg of silage r straw before letting them on to the crop. Can cause bloat, frost on the leaves isn't good either.

      Do you undersow it with grass? How much of a problem is frost. I would be thinking of strip grazing it in Nov/Dec/Jan?


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      restive wrote: »
      Do you undersow it with grass? How much of a problem is frost. I would be thinking of strip grazing it in Nov/Dec/Jan?

      No I don't think you could under sow it with grass, usually wait for the frost to clear off the leaves before letting them on to fresh crop, or alternatively give them some forage such as hay or straw before letting them on.


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      Mooooo
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      Sorry for pulling up old thread, but has anyone set redstart at this time of year? What kind of yields would be expected? For yearlings/ maiden heifers have 6 acres burned off hope to set next week, if I could get 30 or so yearlings on it from Nov to Jan or thereabouts


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      Sam Kade
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      Mooooo wrote: »
      Sorry for pulling up old thread, but has anyone set redstart at this time of year? What kind of yields would be expected? For yearlings/ maiden heifers have 6 acres burned off hope to set next week, if I could get 30 or so yearlings on it from Nov to Jan or thereabouts
      Just go with forage rape now as its too late for Kale. You should get around 1.5 tonne DM/acre with it.


    • #30
      Danzy
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      A friend gave me a bag of Redstart Kale, about 8kgs so about 2 acres worth. He had too much ordered so he gave it to me.

      So I dont want to burn off ground, was wondering if I lightly harrowed a field to break the top and just broadcast it, would it take reasonably well. Not expecting much.

      The field is a very dry one so I use it to stretch out grazing at the back end of the year and it is grazed bare at the moment.

      Not going to go all out but if it filled things out abit, could be nice.


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      oldsmokey
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      Danzy wrote: »
      A friend gave me a bag of Redstart Kale, about 8kgs so about 2 acres worth. He had too much ordered so he gave it to me.

      So I dont want to burn off ground, was wondering if I lightly harrowed a field to break the top and just broadcast it, would it take reasonably well. Not expecting much.

      The field is a very dry one so I use it to stretch out grazing at the back end of the year and it is grazed bare at the moment.

      Not going to go all out but if it filled things out abit, could be nice.
      Youll have to give it npk yo get a result..ph needs to be adequate, u vould use gran lime there. 3bags 18.6.12 to acre recommended


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