Redstart Kale

milkprofit

Has anyone sown this

severeoversteer

i am going sowing it soon, busy getting some grass seeds in first though

Greengrass1

Sowed it last yr. Powerful crop of stuff of it. If you go back through jersey101 account you might see the photos of it. I'll see if I still have them on my phone
Its a member of the beet family so the more p smd k you put on it the bigger crop you will get.
I hear beet compound does a good job on it

Greengrass1

That had another 3 weeks to grow at that stage but we were tight on grass with drought so we started grazing. That was last yrs bunch of incalf heifers on it

blue5000

How tall did it get? Thinking of growing some this year too.

Greengrass1

blue5000 wrote: »

How tall did it get? Thinking of growing some this year too.

Up to my chest in places. 5ft would be no bother to it

Damo810

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Sowed it last yr. Powerful crop of stuff of it. If you go back through jersey101 account you might see the photos of it. I'll see if I still have them on my phone
Its a member of the beet family so the more p smd k you put on it the bigger crop you will get.
I hear beet compound does a good job on it

Did you have to apply sodium to it aswell?

Greengrass1

Damo810 wrote: »

Did you have to apply sodium to it aswell?

I didn't any way

O2b

What are the main differences between kale and redstart apart from you can set it later? Is it similar in terms of yield?

Sam Kade

I though redstart contained more forage rape than kale.

blue5000

AFAIK redstart is a hybrid of rape and kale.

O2b

So less of a yield with higher protein content than kale?

milkprofit

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Sowed it last yr. Powerful crop of stuff of it. If you go back through jersey101 account you might see the photos of it. I'll see if I still have them on my phone
Its a member of the beet family so the more p smd k you put on it the bigger crop you will get.
I hear beet compound does a good job on it

Can u detail sowing tilling fert etc details

Greengrass1

milkprofit wrote: »

Can u detail sowing tilling fert etc details

Was a field we cut a soft wood forest out off
Ploughed it. Harrowed it. And put outf seed with spinner and rolled it. Put out the fert that was reckomened. Can't remember what or how much but it was a compound .
They reckomemd you too dress it also too.
And if you sow in in may/June and graze early it will regrow

trixi2011

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Was a field we cut a soft wood forest out off
Ploughed it. Harrowed it. And put outf seed with spinner and rolled it. Put out the fert that was reckomened. Can't remember what or how much but it was a compound .
They reckomemd you too dress it also too.
And if you sow in in may/June and graze early it will regrow

Did you milk off it gg ?

Greengrass1

trixi2011 wrote: »

Did you milk off it gg ?

Ye we did. Found cows did better on fodder rape. But good all the same

trixi2011

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Ye we did. Found cows did better on fodder rape. But good all the same

grazed kale with milkers before great job but you wouldn't want to push them to hard on it. A lot of farms starting to graze fodder beet in nz before I left. Suppose to be the answer to lack of winter grazing

Greengrass1

trixi2011 wrote: »

grazed kale with milkers before great job but you wouldn't want to push them to hard on it. A lot of farms starting to graze fodder beet in nz before I left. Suppose to be the answer to lack of winter grazing

Ye lot of lass doing that around me now too.
How do yr find being home again?
Welcome back

trixi2011

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Ye lot of lass doing that around me now too.
How do yr find being home again?
Welcome back

some change now taking a while to get used to it again. the weather has been savage makes life a whole lot easier.

sandydan

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Ye we did. Found cows did better on fodder rape. But good all the same

any copper deficiency issues, or do you supplement with copper or iodine anyway, had issue a few years back after rape was almost complete winter feed for a few winters , just a remark vet made about it,

Greengrass1

sandydan wrote: »

any copper deficiency issues, or do you supplement with copper or iodine anyway, had issue a few years back after rape was almost complete winter feed for a few winters , just a remark vet made about it,

No issues. They were only on it for 2-3hrs in the day and back up in shed for silage. And minerals in water

sandydan

Greengrass1 wrote: »

No issues. They were only on it for 2-3hrs in the day and back up in shed for silage. And minerals in water

different feeding regime. i had to feed 1oz per head monosodium phosphate to correct phos deficiency in cows, actually got 25kg bag and miller added to 4ton ration when blending sorted empties problem in 6 weeks.costly lesson.added iodine to drinking water troughs too and cooper and selenium bolus.
i was feeding hi-phos minerals at time and took blood samples but

Greengrass1

sandydan wrote: »

different feeding regime. i had to feed 1oz per head monosodium phosphate to correct phos deficiency in cows, actually got 25kg bag and miller added to 4ton ration when blending sorted empties problem in 6 weeks.costly lesson.added iodine to drinking water troughs too and cooper and selenium bolus.
i was feeding hi-phos minerals at time and took blood samples but

That's what we in winter here as well.
All stick get trace elements in water and then winter milkers get the dicalcium phosphate through the wagon in the silage

restive

Do you have to supplement it with a fibre source?

trixi2011

You would be safer to give them a few kg of silage r straw before letting them on to the crop. Can cause bloat, frost on the leaves isn't good either.

restive

trixi2011 wrote: »

You would be safer to give them a few kg of silage r straw before letting them on to the crop. Can cause bloat, frost on the leaves isn't good either.

Do you undersow it with grass? How much of a problem is frost. I would be thinking of strip grazing it in Nov/Dec/Jan?

trixi2011

restive wrote: »

Do you undersow it with grass? How much of a problem is frost. I would be thinking of strip grazing it in Nov/Dec/Jan?

No I don't think you could under sow it with grass, usually wait for the frost to clear off the leaves before letting them on to fresh crop, or alternatively give them some forage such as hay or straw before letting them on.

Mooooo

Sorry for pulling up old thread, but has anyone set redstart at this time of year? What kind of yields would be expected? For yearlings/ maiden heifers have 6 acres burned off hope to set next week, if I could get 30 or so yearlings on it from Nov to Jan or thereabouts

Sam Kade

Mooooo wrote: »

Sorry for pulling up old thread, but has anyone set redstart at this time of year? What kind of yields would be expected? For yearlings/ maiden heifers have 6 acres burned off hope to set next week, if I could get 30 or so yearlings on it from Nov to Jan or thereabouts

Just go with forage rape now as its too late for Kale. You should get around 1.5 tonne DM/acre with it.

Danzy

A friend gave me a bag of Redstart Kale, about 8kgs so about 2 acres worth. He had too much ordered so he gave it to me.

So I dont want to burn off ground, was wondering if I lightly harrowed a field to break the top and just broadcast it, would it take reasonably well. Not expecting much.

The field is a very dry one so I use it to stretch out grazing at the back end of the year and it is grazed bare at the moment.

Not going to go all out but if it filled things out abit, could be nice.

oldsmokey

Danzy wrote: »

A friend gave me a bag of Redstart Kale, about 8kgs so about 2 acres worth. He had too much ordered so he gave it to me.

So I dont want to burn off ground, was wondering if I lightly harrowed a field to break the top and just broadcast it, would it take reasonably well. Not expecting much.

The field is a very dry one so I use it to stretch out grazing at the back end of the year and it is grazed bare at the moment.

Not going to go all out but if it filled things out abit, could be nice.

Youll have to give it npk yo get a result..ph needs to be adequate, u vould use gran lime there. 3bags 18.6.12 to acre recommended

K.G.

Why not spray it off

alps

This is in 3 weeks. Advise was to give 18.6.12 at sowing and bring up to 100N after establishment.

Back from hols now, but concerned . Could we damage the crop by driving on it, or could we damage it by fertiliser grains resting on the leaves?

Sami23

alps wrote: »

This is in 3 weeks. Advise was to give 18.6.12 at sowing and bring up to 100N after establishment.

Back from hols now, but concerned . Could we damage the crop by driving on it, or could we damage it by fertiliser grains resting on the leaves?

It's looking good. I wouldn't go driving on it anyway as your damage a certain amount of it. Whatever fert you were going to put on should have been done at sowing imo

Mooooo

Perhaps get a contractor in with GPS and high spread width spinner?

MF290

alps wrote: »

This is in 3 weeks. Advise was to give 18.6.12 at sowing and bring up to 100N after establishment.

Back from hols now, but concerned . Could we damage the crop by driving on it, or could we damage it by fertiliser grains resting on the leaves?

Contractor top dressed ours with a Bredal last year doesn’t add up to much with 24m spread width. By October wasn’t that noticeable in a mid July sown crop.

early_riser

K.G. wrote: »

Why not spray it off

Sowed 3 acres here 3 weeks ago that was grazed bare beforehand . Didnt bother spraying off, ploughed it(well tore it up best i could with a plough i pulled out ditch hasnt been used in 15+ years), grubbed it, broadcast seed, broadcast fert, light grub and rolled it. It looks same as stuff in pic in above post with no weeds to be seen yet so should stay ahead of them now. Rain badly now needed thou to keep it going.

Have 5 acres to be cut next week going to chance sowing it the same way. Clear bales and plough straight away

alps

MF290 wrote: »

Contractor top dressed ours with a Bredal last year doesn’t add up to much with 24m spread width. By October wasn’t that noticeable in a mid July sown crop.

Any idea what N you brought it up to..I'm afraid the advise where we got the seed was not the best.

Danzy

early_riser wrote: »

Sowed 3 acres here 3 weeks ago that was grazed bare beforehand . Didnt bother spraying off, ploughed it(well tore it up best i could with a plough i pulled out ditch hasnt been used in 15+ years), grubbed it, broadcast seed, broadcast fert, light grub and rolled it. It looks same as stuff in pic in above post with no weeds to be seen yet so should stay ahead of them now. Rain badly now needed thou to keep it going.

Have 5 acres to be cut next week going to chance sowing it the same way. Clear bales and plough straight away

Fair pucks lad, your making it happen.

If you have no weeds your ploughing was pretty enough.

grassroot1

alps wrote: »

This is in 3 weeks. Advise was to give 18.6.12 at sowing and bring up to 100N after establishment.

Back from hols now, but concerned . Could we damage the crop by driving on it, or could we damage it by fertiliser grains resting on the leaves?

Hit it with the n you wont see the tyre marks by the time you are grazing it.Just be careful and dont dog the driving.
The N will make a big difference to yield.Mine got 3 bags 10 10 20 and 2 of n as a top dressing sorry after that i did not spread the field with slurry first would have been a saving. Find p and k makes a difference

K.G.

early_riser wrote: »

Sowed 3 acres here 3 weeks ago that was grazed bare beforehand . Didnt bother spraying off, ploughed it(well tore it up best i could with a plough i pulled out ditch hasnt been used in 15+ years), grubbed it, broadcast seed, broadcast fert, light grub and rolled it. It looks same as stuff in pic in above post with no weeds to be seen yet so should stay ahead of them now. Rain badly now needed thou to keep it going.

Have 5 acres to be cut next week going to chance sowing it the same way. Clear bales and plough straight away

Ah yeah if your ploughing work away but as i understand this guy is just chain harrowing or such. Around our way grass would pass it out at the moment.

MF290

alps wrote: »

Any idea what N you brought it up to..I'm afraid the advise where we got the seed was not the best.

Up to 90. Got two bags of 10:10:20 at sowing.

kelslat

I sowed redstart last Saturday. A 20kg bag was put out on nearly 5 acres. The area was ploughed and harrowed. I spread 2 bags of 18-6-12 and 2 bags of granlime per acre as it was low
in lime.
The field is slightly low in p as well. Would 2 bags of leifi start per acre do in a couple of weeks time?

Dakota Dan

kelslat wrote: »

I sowed redstart last Saturday. A 20kg bag was put out on nearly 5 acres. The area was ploughed and harrowed. I spread 2 bags of 18-6-12 and 2 bags of granlime per acre as it was low
in lime.
The field is slightly low in p as well. Would 2 bags of leifi start per acre do in a couple of weeks time?

I used to top dress rape with 1 bag of can/acre at the 2 leaf stage.

alps

kelslat wrote: »

I sowed redstart last Saturday. A 20kg bag was put out on nearly 5 acres. The area was ploughed and harrowed. I spread 2 bags of 18-6-12 and 2 bags of granlime per acre as it was low
in lime.
The field is slightly low in p as well. Would 2 bags of leifi start per acre do in a couple of weeks time?

Advise I got was for 2 bags of 18.6.12 and tip up to 100N, however contractor threw a strip and made me put on 4 bags 18's, and I believe he was right..

Jimbo789

I sowed it last Saturday too. Had originally intended ploughing but with the ground being so hard and it getting late for sowing, I ended up discing instead. Was lowish in K here so put on 3 bags of 10-10-20 and going put on 2 bags of can in couple weeks.

kelslat

alps wrote: »

Advise I got was for 2 bags of 18.6.12 and tip up to 100N, however contractor threw a strip and made me put on 4 bags 18's, and I believe he was right..

I might have skimped on mine a bit so. Although 4 bags of 18-6-12 per acre seems like a lot at the one time. Should I top dress it with 3 bags of fertilizer in a couple of weeks instead?

charolais0153

kelslat wrote: »

I might have skimped on mine a bit so. Although 4 bags of 18-6-12 per acre seems like a lot at the one time. Should I top dress it with 3 bags of fertilizer in a couple of weeks instead?

Do it now. You wont be trampling the plants as much

Bass Reeves

alps wrote: »

Advise I got was for 2 bags of 18.6.12 and tip up to 100N, however contractor threw a strip and made me put on 4 bags 18's, and I believe he was right..

Jimbo789 wrote: »

I sowed it last Saturday too. Had originally intended ploughing but with the ground being so hard and it getting late for sowing, I ended up discing instead. Was lowish in K here so put on 3 bags of 10-10-20 and going put on 2 bags of can in couple weeks.

Kale set in May requires 80-100 units of N. Setting now you have only half the growing season. If it was me 50-60N will be plenty. Set some fodder rape nearly two weeks ago slow to germinate. This ground got N for second cut in June but gor no crop due to drought. I went with 2.5 bags of 18-6-12/acre and looking at rest of fields that got second cuts silage N it should be enough they are blue in colour.

GrasstoMilk

alps wrote: »

This is in 3 weeks. Advise was to give 18.6.12 at sowing and bring up to 100N after establishment.

Back from hols now, but concerned . Could we damage the crop by driving on it, or could we damage it by fertiliser grains resting on the leaves?

definitely spread it on it. The plants will recover, you won't notice the tracks in a few weeks. It will only be s half crop if you don't put the N on it. Just be careful turning at the headlands so you don't rip it up. Anytime we sowed redstart it got 3 bags of 10 10 20 and top dressed with 2 bags of Can after. From memory our last crop yielded 6t/Ha

alps

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

definitely spread it on it. The plants will recover, you won't notice the tracks in a few weeks. It will only be s half crop if you don't put the N on it. Just be careful turning at the headlands so you don't rip it up. Anytime we sowed redstart it got 3 bags of 10 10 20 and top dressed with 2 bags of Can after. From memory our last crop yielded 6t/Ha

Cheers....done this week...happy now