Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

newballsplease · 13-07-2014 10:33AM

If Utd get Vidal and a decent CB then they're title contenders. If they dont,they're not. Simple as that.

KH25 · 13-07-2014 10:35AM

Vidal and Hummels. Those should be the clubs priorities right now. Two excellent players that will immediately improve the team. IMO, the alleged money for Di Maria could be better directed at both of them.

Maximus Alexander · 13-07-2014 10:36AM

Hummels won't happen. Germans don't play for United.

Al Capwned · 13-07-2014 10:39AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Hummels won't happen. Germans don't play for United.

Dunno if that's tongue in cheek or not, but just because something's not happened before doesn't mean it won't happen in the future.

If Hummels was approached, and clubs agreed a fee, I can't see him, or anyone else, thinking "Ah no one from my country has ever played there, I can't go."

GSPfan · 13-07-2014 10:44AM

Yeah Hummels, Vidal and maybe a decent bargain buy would probably be it for us this Summer. Then expect Strootman rumours to gather pace before January.

If we just got the Vidal one over the line we would be laughing.

NoviGlitzko · 13-07-2014 10:49AM

Another time for who would you take? Vidal or Hummels?

CB's and DMF's are in such short supply when it comes to world class status these days.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-07-2014 10:52AM

reckon we might go Dutch for winger and CB and hopefully push for Vidal which imo is on, but we face competition.

I think Depay could be United player by September.

Hummels would be nice , but i think we are throwing a lot of effort into Vidal and getting both might be asking even the great ED too much.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-07-2014 10:52AM

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Another time for who would you take? Vidal or Hummels?

CB's and DMF's are in such short supply when it comes to world class status these days.

Vidal would be prority imo.

Quandary · 13-07-2014 10:54AM

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Another time for who would you take? Vidal or Hummels?

CB's and DMF's are in such short supply when it comes to world class status these days.

Vidal all day every day. It has been close to a decade since we had a genuinely strong midfield and with Vidal and Herrera we would finally have that.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-07-2014 10:56AM

Quandary wrote: »

Vidal all day every day. It has been close to a decade since we had a genuinely strong midfield and with Vidal and Herrera we would finally have that.

Your're right and its crazy to think although i felt Scholes/Hargreaves was good combo

Al Capwned · 13-07-2014 11:02AM

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Another time for who would you take? Vidal or Hummels?

CB's and DMF's are in such short supply when it comes to world class status these days.

Vidal without question.
All day every day.

HaveASnickers · 13-07-2014 11:10AM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/488297/32m-Arturo-Vidal-AND-40m-Angel-Di-Maria-nearing-Man-Utd-switch

Must not get hopes up

The express is up there with the metro and goal in terms of credibility.

Larry Wildman · 13-07-2014 11:13AM

If this happens, it will be interesting to see what all of the "we're not signing that many first team players" merchants say.

It is refreshingly wonderful to see United actually addressing the weaknesses in the squad with top class talent.

My old man has been following United since old God's time, and he was strong in his view that Fergie had "gone soft" and "lost the plot" during his last few years. I disagreed at the time but in retrospect he was probably spot on. I will never forget what Fergie did for us, but his neglect of midfield, his ludicrous claims before the 2009 and 2011 CL finals, the Pogba fiasco and the Moyes debacle tarnish his reputation to a degree (a small degree admittedly).

UnitedIrishman · 13-07-2014 11:14AM

If I was to rate our chances of signing players then I'd have us in with a 50/50 chance of signing Vidal at this stage, and a high chance of signing De Vrij and Depay. Wouldn't hold out much hope of signing Hummels or Di Maria.

If we sign Vidal and De Vrij, we would certainly be in with a shout when you look at what Liverpool did last season. I mean people are pointing to our backline and saying it's weak - they had Kolo Toure back there for a large part of the season, Sakho took a long while to settle into the team, Cissokho started 12 league games and he is dire.

We've a relatively handy start to the season and although Van Gaal tends to be a slow starter at clubs he comes to, there is every chance we could be close to the top after the first couple of months. After that point, any Van Gaal team with a bit of confidence is a very dangerous side.

HaveASnickers · 13-07-2014 11:15AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Compared Vrij with other CBs who had good world cup and its fair to say he is up there with the best in this world cup. Not sure who was the last CB who impressed me so much in such short time.

Hopefully we go all out for him.

Not looking at stats, Vlaar was the most impressive defender for Holland.

homerjay2005 · 13-07-2014 11:16AM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I'm preparing for a battle for 4th and maybe us just nicking it at the end, obviously if we buy 3 world class players that's going to change and I'd expect us to at least challenge for the top spot

my expectations at the moment pretty much are exactly the same as that, currently our first 11 is not strong enough to mount a title challenge.

unless we actually sign at least 2 world class players, i dont think we will be in the shake up for the league tho the one thing that is in our favour is that Van Gaal, like Fergie, appears to be able to get the best out of average players.

our start is also very very decent so you'd never know.

HaveASnickers · 13-07-2014 11:17AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

If this happens, it will be interesting to see what all of the "we're not signing that many first team players" merchants say.

It is refreshingly wonderful to see United actually addressing the weaknesses in the squad with top class talent.

My old man has been following United since old God's time, and he was strong in his view that Fergie had "gone soft" and "lost the plot" during his last few years. I disagreed at the time but in retrospect he was probably spot on. I will never forget what Fergie did for us, but his neglect of midfield, his ludicrous claims before the 2009 and 2011 CL finals, the Pogba fiasco and the Moyes debacle tarnish his reputation to a degree (a small degree admittedly).

If Fergie picked a midfield that worked for him (which is did with winning the league etc) then it's not his fault that the next manager couldn't get the same out of the players.

On paper the players in CM weren't good enough but we still were the top 2 every year.

KH25 · 13-07-2014 11:19AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Your're right and its crazy to think although i felt Scholes/Hargreaves was good combo

Hargreaves was an excellent player and had he stayed fit midfield would have been far stronger than it was over the last few seasons. We got him a couple of years too late and unfortunately he had the tendonitis problem. Fully fit he was a brilliant player though and he played very well for us in 2008. I always hoped he would overcome the injury.

Quandary · 13-07-2014 11:21AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Your're right and its crazy to think although i felt Scholes/Hargreaves was good combo

Scholes Hargreaves had the potential to be incredible. The two styles complimented each other perfectly. Such a shame Hargreaves was so broken

DARK-KNIGHT · 13-07-2014 11:24AM

Loved hargreaves terrible ending up crocked the way he did

HaveASnickers · 13-07-2014 11:24AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

my expectations at the moment pretty much are exactly the same as that, currently our first 11 is not strong enough to mount a title challenge.

unless we actually sign at least 2 world class players, i dont think we will be in the shake up for the league tho the one thing that is in our favour is that Van Gaal, like Fergie, appears to be able to get the best out of average players.

our start is also very very decent so you'd never know.

I think we HAVE to be challenging for the league.

Man Utd fans were expecting us to get close to the top with Moyes last season. We then have a stinker due to Moyes ineptitude finishing 7th which every Man Utd fans know the squad was good enough for top 4.

Now we get a world class manager with possibly 100m+ more of investment, some of the poor performing players of last season gone (Ferdinand, Evra) and no champions league football to contend with.

I guess pundits were right, the man after Fergie had the hardest job. The next guy has an easier job.

Larry Wildman · 13-07-2014 11:28AM

HaveASnickers wrote: »

If Fergie picked a midfield that worked for him (which is did with winning the league etc) then it's not his fault that the next manager couldn't get the same out of the players.

On paper the players in CM weren't good enough but we still were the top 2 every year.

The competition were in tatters...once they got their acts together (e.g. appointing Pellegrini and Mourinho and strengthening), we were in big trouble.

Thinking that Ryan Giggs was a reasonable opponent for the likes of Yaya Toure was incredible to be honest.

Yes we won the league in 2012/2013, but the squad inherited by Moyes was in many ways a hospital pass of the worst kind because there was the "we won the league" caveat but in reality it was substandard relative to where it needed to be.

Al Capwned · 13-07-2014 11:32AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

The competition were in tatters...once they got their acts together (e.g. appointing Pellegrini and Mourinho and strengthening), we were in big trouble.

Thinking that Ryan Giggs was a reasonable opponent for the likes of Yaya Toure was incredible to be honest.

Yes we won the league in 2012/2013, but the squad inherited by Moyes was in many ways a hospital pass of the worst kind because there was the "we won the league" caveat but in reality it was substandard relative to where it needed to be.

Good post.
I'd be of the same opinion, but to be honest, I was sucked in by the hype at the time too. I honestly thought this time last year that we could be competing for a title. If there was ever a time where I thought we were better than we actually are it was 12 months ago. All our rivals improved in summer 2013, be that with players or managers. We didn't.

Next season? As things stand, we're not winning a league. We're top 3/4 I reckon right now, but incoming transfers will be the deciding factor.
We can win the league, but the right players need to be brought in to address the right problem areas.

HaveASnickers · 13-07-2014 11:32AM

RVP KNOWS

Evra is gone.

Di Marzio (Who are reliable) say Evra will write a letter to Utd fans.

20m bid for Paulinho possibly by Juventus.

adox · 13-07-2014 11:34AM

It's gonna be interesting next season. I said in the past not to judge any player on last season, as everyone(with the exception of De Gea)was well below par for various reasons. It's what I'm holding on to and makes me think that the squad is better than many on here think.

Certainly it needs strengthening and a CB and one CM are a minimum.

I'm pretty pessimistic about Vidal. There hasn't really been anything of substance reported and I don't really understand how people are convincing themselves that it's happening.

Here's hoping this posted is quoted multiple times in the next few days with rolls eyes gifs etc as Vidal signs on the dotted line.

duffman13 · 13-07-2014 11:35AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

The competition were in tatters...once they got their acts together (e.g. appointing Pellegrini and Mourinho and strengthening), we were in big trouble.

Thinking that Ryan Giggs was a reasonable opponent for the likes of Yaya Toure was incredible to be honest.

Yes we won the league in 2012/2013, but the squad inherited by Moyes was in many ways a hospital pass of the worst kind because there was the "we won the league" caveat but in reality it was substandard relative to where it needed to be.

Nail on the head in some ways. It was a combination of a lot of things, Moyes not being good enough for the job, Ed only being appointed at the same time as Moyes. Changing the top two in relation to the on field aspect of the business is always going to bring a lot of disruption.

HaveASnickers · 13-07-2014 11:35AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

The competition were in tatters...once they got their acts together (e.g. appointing Pellegrini and Mourinho and strengthening), we were in big trouble.

Thinking that Ryan Giggs was a reasonable opponent for the likes of Yaya Toure was incredible to be honest.

Yes we won the league in 2012/2013, but the squad inherited by Moyes was in many ways a hospital pass of the worst kind because there was the "we won the league" caveat but in reality it was substandard relative to where it needed to be.

We beat City with our midfield.

And saying before they got their act together is a cop out really, Mancini won them their first league in how long and is a good manager.

adox · 13-07-2014 11:37AM

People rewriting history and making every excuse they can think of to explain Utds recent success is way off the mark and an insult to the players.

Chagan · 13-07-2014 11:54AM

I think the calamitous transfer window last summer did more damage than the actual squad left behind. All of our rivals strengthened, as they always do, and we sat still. Chelsea and City were inevitably going to pull away from us after that, poor management led to the disaster it turned out to be.

Had Fergie stayed on I highly he doubt he would have made only one signing, nor would it have been Marouane Fellaini.

Kagawa · 13-07-2014 11:59AM

HaveASnickers wrote: »

RVP KNOWS

Evra is gone.

Di Marzio (Who are reliable) say Evra will write a letter to Utd fans.

20m bid for Paulinho possibly by Juventus.

It's worrying that the Vidal transfer may depend on paulinho coming, knowing how difficult it is to deal with spurs unless they want to sell him

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