11th Night Bonfires. Maybe they just dont like Celtic.

OldMrBrennan83 · 12-07-2014 01:47PM

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getzls · 12-07-2014 02:08PM

RollieFingers wrote: »

The state of Northern Ireland, what a kip!

Must be better than the Republic.
Even the majority of Catholics don't want to join it.

Reiketsu · 12-07-2014 02:21PM

Patww79 wrote: »

In the sense that someone up there can be born and reared in the UK, along with all their family, and still just apply and get one. I know they're "entitled" under the gfa but it doesn't make it right.

Sorry you don't like it but as you said, we are entitled. It's in the GFA as a compromise for a complex situation up here, not for the fun of it.

Grayson · 12-07-2014 02:24PM

Reiketsu wrote: »

Free passports? They are more expensive than the UK ones, take longer and obtaining one is like trying to join the MI5. If I can have one then I am Irish.

The UK ones are more expensive. A ten year one is over £100. I went looking into it since I have dual citizenship and I was wondering if I could save a few quid.

Karl Stein · 12-07-2014 03:10PM

The right of everyone born on the island to be Irish and to be allowed travel as such by way of an Irish passport precedes the GFA and is written into the Irish constitution.

Article 2

It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, to be part of the Irish Nation. That is also the entitlement of all persons otherwise qualified in accordance with law to be citizens of Ireland

Even people who despise the idea that the 'Irish Nation' and 'island of Ireland' utterly disregards the border like Getzls are entitled to the above.

Oh, and the constitutional aspiration of a UI remains codified in the Irish Constitution.

Article 3 (1)

It is the firm will of the Irish Nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland, in all the diversity of their identities and traditions, recognising that a united Ireland shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of a majority of the people, democratically expressed, in both jurisdictions in the island.

Reiketsu · 12-07-2014 03:13PM

Grayson wrote: »

The UK ones are more expensive. A ten year one is over £100. I went looking into it since I have dual citizenship and I was wondering if I could save a few quid.

It's cheaper if you do it yourself and not through the post office -£72.50 for a standard 10 year one.

end of the road · 12-07-2014 03:42PM

getzls wrote: »

Must be better than the Republic.
Even the majority of Catholics don't want to join it.

yes they do

OldMrBrennan83 · 12-07-2014 03:53PM

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Broxi_Bear_Eire · 12-07-2014 03:58PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Most celtic fans have no problem with the word as you well know

Yet there was a concerted effort from a certain fan group to have the use of it made a hate crime

Madam · 12-07-2014 04:07PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Yet there was a concerted effort from a certain fan group to have the use of it made a hate crime

I don't mind being called a fenian - I just don 't like the word which usually follows it:rolleyes:

NIMAN · 12-07-2014 04:12PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

The word Hun is despised my 98% of Rangers fans as it is a derogatory term for Protestants and it in Scotland against the law

Oh And I am not Protestant either

Was it not European media who christened the Rangers fans 'huns' after they created mayhem in a Euro Final back in the 70s?

Afaik, the trophy had to be presented to the team in the dressing room.

onlyme! · 12-07-2014 05:56PM

Is the Netherlands the spiritual home of the orangemen? because its not much mentioned!

onlyme! · 12-07-2014 06:00PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Was it not European media who christened the Rangers fans 'huns' after they created mayhem in a Euro Final back in the 70s?

Afaik, the trophy had to be presented to the team in the dressing room.

If this is the case, to be fair, the current serco/rangers team, should not be considered huns until they wreck some place!

wazky · 12-07-2014 06:01PM

onlyme! wrote: »

If this is the case, to be fair, the current serco/rangers team, should not be considered huns until they wreck some place!

Orcs would be more apt maybe, Ibrox resembles Mordor most of the time.

tyrone90 · 12-07-2014 06:07PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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The people who fought for your state had a completely different view from you, everyone born on the island has the God given right to call themselves Irish but it isn't a major problem in my eyes, we can always call ourselves Ulstermen but we would never tell Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan people that they can't call themselve Ulstermen because we aren't like that.

The mentality of southerners has surely changed over the years, a relative of mine was in the Northern Division IRA in the 1920's, i was reading diary entries he had written, he was saying that guns were sent up by Michael Collins and that men from Kerry had joined the Northern Division with them.

R P McMurphy · 12-07-2014 11:41PM

onlyme! wrote: »

Is the Netherlands the spiritual home of the orangemen? because its not much mentioned!

The Netherlands would be a bit liberal for their liking. Would not be a lot in common

Banjo String · 12-07-2014 11:48PM

Reiketsu wrote: »

Nice and quiet where I live. Nearest bonfire is around 10 miles away :pac:. Such a joke of a tradition. By all means be proud of your 'Britishness' but don't crap all over everyone else and their identities sur.

Fyp...... :pac:

Reiketsu · 13-07-2014 12:53AM

Banjo String wrote: »

Fyp...... :pac:

Thanks horse :pac:

The Golden Miller · 13-07-2014 01:20AM

tyrone90 wrote: »

The people who fought for your state had a completely different view from you, everyone born on the island has the God given right to call themselves Irish but it isn't a major problem in my eyes, we can always call ourselves Ulstermen but we would never tell Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan people that they can't call themselve Ulstermen because we aren't like that.

The mentality of southerners has surely changed over the years, a relative of mine was in the Northern Division IRA in the 1920's, i was reading diary entries he had written, he was saying that guns were sent up by Michael Collins and that men from Kerry had joined the Northern Division with them.

The unionist apologist media in the south has twisted the minds of many of the easily manipulated clowns who reside here. They wet themselves with excitement when they got to wave the union jack on the streets of Dublin and Cork when the queen came over. And the number is growing. I wouldn't take much notice of them. There's many still in the south who can see through whats happening

flemishgael · 13-07-2014 01:41AM

always found the bonfires great craic. Used to get a carry out and join the parade behind the band. Most places have music all night so I was dancing all night and drinking all night with girls shouting in my ear they can smell taigs from miles away. I guess the drinking affected their sense of smell

Karl Stein · 13-07-2014 02:00AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

The unionist apologist media in the south has twisted the minds of many of the easily manipulated

They were afraid that the dirty plebs would rise up and deprive them of their privileges.

It was a preserve privilege thing. The people who burned down the British Embassy were viewed as more of a threat to the Irish establishment than anything going on in the north.

P_1 · 13-07-2014 02:10AM

Found this quite depressing.
http://i.imgur.com/0iygCPD.png

What hope is there when you have lunatics (from both sides) brainwashing their kids like this

tyrone90 · 13-07-2014 03:24AM

The more I read all those facebook comments the more I look forward to leaving this place, even the normal looking adults are coming out with pure hateful comments, I don't wish to share a country with them, life is too short

DEFTLEFTHAND · 13-07-2014 05:53AM

P_1 wrote: »

Found this quite depressing.
http://i.imgur.com/0iygCPD.png

What hope is there when you have lunatics (from both sides) brainwashing their kids like this

Those who chose Education on both sides will rise above it. You can imagine though that some young street types would still be drawn towards the other life. It's an easy way to make a buck considering it's more organised crime these days than any great fight to keep the Union or kick out the Brits.

mickydoomsux · 13-07-2014 10:15AM

Charming scene this morning.

It's all about tradition etc. etc.

R P McMurphy · 13-07-2014 10:25AM

P_1 wrote: »

Found this quite depressing.
http://i.imgur.com/0iygCPD.png

What hope is there when you have lunatics (from both sides) brainwashing their kids like this

Why did you put 'from both sides' in there. What had that yo do with your depressing picture

iDave · 13-07-2014 10:25AM

The sad thing is a few news sites I've read this morning have called it a peaceful 12th. Mainly because there hasn't been an all out riot.
Whats peaceful about burning tricolours, Palestinian flags, Sinn Fein election posters, GAA flags, Ireland soccer jerseys, Celtic fan effigies, Shared Future banners etc?
Loyalist cuture is more a race to the bottom.

wazky · 13-07-2014 10:30AM

iDave wrote: »

The sad thing is a few news sites I've read this morning have called it a peaceful 12th. Mainly because there hasn't been an all out riot.
Whats peaceful about burning tricolours, Palestinian flags, Sinn Fein election posters, GAA flags, Ireland soccer jerseys, Celtic fan effigies, Shared Future banners etc?
Loyalist cuture is more a race to the bottom.

What I find is the worst is the line 'both sides are as bad as eachother', it's like some PC throwaway comment to try and diffuse the situation.

What other 'culture' in the world celebrates the slaughter of another in such a crass and gaudy fashion?, and is basically just accepted as part of life by all the major politicians and government organisations?

Or as the BBC are trying to do and turn into some twisted 'fun for all the family' event, completely overlooking the whole sectarian and violent element.

mickydoomsux · 13-07-2014 10:41AM

wazky wrote: »

What I find is the worst is the line 'both sides are as bad as eachother', it's like some PC throwaway comment to try and diffuse the situation.

What other 'culture' in the world celebrates the slaughter of another in such a crass and gaudy fashion?, and is basically just accepted as part of life by all the major politicians and government organisations?

Or as the BBC are trying to do and turn into some twisted 'fun for all the family' event, completely overlooking the whole sectarian and violent element.

It's the best we can all hope for for another few generations until all the sectarian knuckle-draggers and their spawn die off and Northern Ireland becomes a proper country.

getzls · 13-07-2014 10:43AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Charming scene this morning.

It's all about tradition etc. etc.

Can't see any burnt out cars there.

Any shells from spent bullets?

Ah well, will have to wait until Interment night to see those.:cool:

11th Night Bonfires. Maybe they just dont like Celtic.

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