Statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary on bonfire in Orange Day

the_monkey · 10-07-2014 08:47PM

NightOfTheHunt wrote: »

At least it wasn't a statue of Mohammed

pfft .. imagine, 100's of westerners in muslim countries would have been murdered, embassies would have been burnt out of it, and then Cameron and a whole host of politicians would have to beg forgiveness from the muslims
and insist on the vast majority mean no offense.

jjbrien · 10-07-2014 08:51PM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

I think only the Catholics believe Mary was special enough to be born without original sin.

Not true church of Ireland belives she was a virgin too. Which a good chunk of the people who are marching and building bonfires in the north are part of

http://ireland.anglican.org/worship/14

2. Of the Word or Son of God, which was made very Man.
The Son, which is the Word of the Father, begotten from everlasting of the Father, the very and eternal God,
and of one substance with the Father, took Man's nature in the womb of the blessed Virgin

shruikan2553 · 10-07-2014 08:53PM

I was saying earlier it must be great running a business that sells pallets in the north. If only they put as much effort into finding a job as they did building that.

wazky wrote: »

Imagine if that was a figure or statue of a different religion? Say Islam or a Jewish one?

The usual Catholic bashing brigade would be on their case like flys on sh1t...

Uh oh, Catholic with a victim complex #4080

Fuhrer · 10-07-2014 08:55PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I was saying earlier it must be great running a business that sells pallets in the north. If only they put as much effort into finding a job as they did building that.

You think the kind of people who burn effigys and riot over flags have the money to buy things?

shruikan2553 · 10-07-2014 08:57PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

You think the kind of people who burn effigys and riot over flags have the money to buy things?

They got them from someone who paid

wazky · 10-07-2014 08:58PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Uh oh, Catholic with a victim complex #4080

You couldn't be more wrong, like alot of people on this island I was born Catholic but that's where it ended, I couldn't even string a prayer together it's been so long.

But, like alot of posters here who are bored with the usual Catholic bashing comments from Militant Teenage Atheists crowd. Gets a little tedious reading the same 'hilarous' comments...

shruikan2553 · 10-07-2014 09:02PM

wazky wrote: »

You couldn't be more wrong, like alot of people on this island I was born Catholic but that's where it ended, I couldn't even string a prayer together it's been so long.

But, like alot of posters here who are bored with the usual Catholic bashing comments from Militant Teenage Atheists crowd. Gets a little tedious reading the same 'hilarous' comments...

Oh the irony.

wazky · 10-07-2014 09:08PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Oh the irony.

Which irony would that be now?

Fratton Fred · 10-07-2014 09:16PM

Custardpi wrote: »

So you accept that 5th November parties have evolved? Won't Orange bonfires eventually do the same? Perhaps they've already done so to a certain extent anyway. I'd like to think (perfectly willing to be proved wrong) that there's a fair amount of attendees at these bonfires that are just there for the craic, because it's something that they've always done & that they're not necessarily all budding Shankill Butchers.

One day maybe, I wouldn't hold your breath though.

K4t · 10-07-2014 09:20PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's incitement to violence.

I feel no urge to commit violence and I'm sure most people are the same as me.

Get on with your life and stop looking for ways to take offence.

Rasheed · 10-07-2014 09:33PM

wazky wrote: »

You couldn't be more wrong, like alot of people on this island I was born Catholic but that's where it ended, I couldn't even string a prayer together it's been so long.

But, like alot of posters here who are bored with the usual Catholic bashing comments from Militant Teenage Atheists crowd. Gets a little tedious reading the same 'hilarous' comments...

Couldn't agree more. It's as if people wait to post something nasty or dismissive about Catholicism on every thread. Every single thread on AH. It's sad and getting tedious real fast.

Shakespeare's Sister · 10-07-2014 09:42PM

Love how people get dismissed as "looking for offence" when they may not be looking for it at all, the incident in question may just be something that gets to them, which is hardly voluntary.
It really has become fashionable to have no empathy - when it suits of course.
This is a sectarian act and just because it's towards catholicism, naturally people have to sneer at it. It's not only about the catholic faith in this instance either, it's about the nationalist community also.

Temptamperu · 10-07-2014 09:43PM

Blessed virgin me hole, all they want is attention and of course, there you are giving it to them.

citytillidie · 10-07-2014 09:46PM

Custardpi wrote: »

So you accept that 5th November parties have evolved? Won't Orange bonfires eventually do the same? Perhaps they've already done so to a certain extent anyway. I'd like to think (perfectly willing to be proved wrong) that there's a fair amount of attendees at these bonfires that are just there for the craic, because it's something that they've always done & that they're not necessarily all budding Shankill Butchers.

Not when they are a show of loyalist strength in some areas

carpejugulum · 10-07-2014 09:56PM

RobertKK wrote: »

No, it is people doing it. Just like people do on forums when one side tries to rile up a person with a different opinion, religion may be the tool that is used, but it is people using that tool, sometimes it is people of no belief using their non belief as a tool to have a go at those who do and vise versa...

People are the tool.

oranbhoy67 · 10-07-2014 10:01PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Dont forget we have to respect their KKKulture

FYP

carpejugulum · 10-07-2014 10:05PM

wazky wrote: »

...Militant Teenage Atheists crowd...

http://d.christiantoday.com/en/full/15580/the-aha-has-launched-a-kids-without-god-campaign.jpg

Militant religious crowd
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5519606-16x9-940x529.jpg

Totally the same thing

Cantremember · 10-07-2014 10:07PM

If it was 1690 it would be an outrageously provocative act to Roman Catholics. But it's actually.......wait a minute.

Custardpi · 10-07-2014 10:19PM

Rasheed wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. It's as if people wait to post something nasty or dismissive about Catholicism on every thread. Every single thread on AH. It's sad and getting tedious real fast.

To be fair while there are some posters who go overboard (hardly "every single thread") the reality is that the Catholic Church still wields enormous power in this country, many people seeing that as a negative. Until that influence is rolled back & we have things like a properly secular education system & full reproductive rights for women many will continue to be frustrated with Catholicism, which will unfortunately sometimes translate into rudeness. If that offends you that's a pity but you might reflect that the victims of Church power throughout the ages have suffered far more than someone who merely reads something unkind on the internet.

Amirani · 10-07-2014 10:20PM

jjbrien wrote: »

Not true church of Ireland belives she was a virgin too. Which a good chunk of the people who are marching and building bonfires in the north are part of

http://ireland.anglican.org/worship/14

When were we talking about Mary's virginity? We were talking about the immaculate conception.

Ghost Buster · 10-07-2014 10:22PM

wazky wrote: »

Imagine if that was a figure or statue of a different religion? Say Islam or a Jewish one?

The usual Catholic bashing brigade would be on their case like flys on sh1t...

Not me. I hold all religion as equally bat ****

Ghost Buster · 10-07-2014 10:27PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You're so cool Mr. Teenage Atheist man. I want to be like you when I grow up.

Teenagers don't have wives. Some atheists are even 43.! Like me

Maphisto · 10-07-2014 10:29PM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

When were we talking about Mary's virginity? We were talking about the immaculate conception.

Off Topic

I don't know how true this is (I wasn't there):

When describing Mary, The original ancient writings consistently use a word that has two meanings:
1. a woman ready for marriage (and presumably a sexual virgin if she’s marriage material)
2. ANY woman who is young
In translation of the ancient text, the duality of the original word’s meaning is lost… and the choice of which translation to use was a very conscious debate.
The Church’s Councils prior to 553 AD debated this issue, but it was finally the Church’s Counsil of Constantinople II in 553 AD, after further debate, VOTED that the meaning to keep is a sexual virgin. So the Church, by majority vote, declared Canon Law that Mary was a sexual virgin, and not just a young woman ready for marriage, and added the text that, being a virgin, the father must therefore have been divine intervention, and therefore God is both father and son. This Counsil went further to say anyone denying this is a heretic, leaving no room for further debate on the matter. This decision divided the church into two followings, those who went along with the vote, and those who refused to accept it. Of course, those who refused to accept it were, by declaration, heretics.

http://extraordinarybus.wordpress.com/2010/09/21/virgin-birth/

mrty · 10-07-2014 10:33PM

uch wrote: »

What Harm is that ?

Sure if their no harm head you up if your from the south and see what they do when they hear your accent. I dare ya. :-)

Fratton Fred · 10-07-2014 10:38PM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

When were we talking about Mary's virginity? We were talking about the immaculate conception.

You're right. Not sure how a virgin gets pregnant though.

http://ireland.anglican.org/information/9

Knasher · 10-07-2014 10:46PM

Clearly the solution here is that next year the republicans should have their own massive bonfires about a month in advance, a better bonfire with blackjack and hookers. Then the unionists bonfire will look crappy in comparison, all the good pallets will be gone and they will probably give up on the whole idea.

RDM_83 again · 10-07-2014 10:58PM

Custardpi wrote: »

To be fair while there are some posters who go overboard (hardly "every single thread") the reality is that the Catholic Church still wields enormous power in this country, many people seeing that as a negative. Until that influence is rolled back & we have things like a properly secular education system & full reproductive rights for women many will continue to be frustrated with Catholicism, which will unfortunately sometimes translate into rudeness.

Thats a cop out though we are talking about something thats designed to insult a Community thats traditionally been subject to oppression.

Also this is Northern Ireland we are talking about not the Republic there is no history of the Roman Catholic Church exerting massive influence on the state

The funny thing is though the regulars that fight the good fight on scores of more fashionable issues are strangely quiet about this

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

How dare they burn a leading cast member from history's best known story tale... I'm outraged! :rolleyes:

endacl wrote: »

*this just in*

Combustible stuff burned in a fire.

Meanwhile, in other news, flags something or other and marching up and down. Drums.

Its handy having posts like this (and that you can see the thankees) as its a quick and easy way to see which posters are just hypocrites when they post about respect and social justice on other issues.
(Cos sure burning a cross means nothing either at the end of the day :rolleyes: )

Custardpi wrote: »

If that offends you that's a pity but you might reflect that the victims of Church power throughout the ages have suffered far more than someone who merely reads something unkind on the internet.

Again this being Northern Ireland it might be worth considering that people also suffered due to being a member of the Church.

Knasher · 10-07-2014 11:02PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

The funny thing is though the regulars that fight the good fight on scores of more fashionable issues are strangely quiet about this

The reason they are doing this is to get a rise out of people. Exact same situation when the burn the Irish flag, why would you want to give them the satisfaction?

holystungun9 · 10-07-2014 11:07PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Not me. I hold all religion as equally bat ****

Yep, complete tosh. I think im pretty open minded and can respect everybody's personal decisions about what they want to get up to on this planet once they don't intentionally hurt anyone. Get tattooed from head to toe with piercings and green hair? Grand. Have multiple sex partners at a time? Go for it. Choose to have kids/not have kids? Fine. Whatever else? Okay.
But then it comes to religion, it's difficult not to roll my eyes at anyone who goes along with any of the religions.
If someone does something stupid, people can call a spade a spade. When it comes to religion we have to be respectful and tip toe around it. "Stop talking sh1te" seems to be frowned upon if someone is talking about their other worldly being of choice.

Smidge · 10-07-2014 11:13PM

Jeez, them boys can build some bonfires!!
Wouldn't like to live in the houses nearby :eek:

Statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary on bonfire in Orange Day

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