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Do you know any homophobic people?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    1210m5g wrote: »
    She was working as self employed for an individual for just a few weeks so i presume (i could be wrong) it would be a bit more difficult for her to follow it up.

    Either way she doesn't want to, she just said she's going to learn from it and keep it secret in future, makes me sad that people have to do that.

    If Mrs Homophobe is wealthy enough to have a PA, she probably has quite a status to maintain, so perhaps a spot of gossip about the incident could be an effective score-settling? Therapeutic too. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium




    Roy: "So what did you think?"
    Moss: "It was fantastic! Every value I've ever held is being questioned And I'm LOVING it. "


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,754 ✭✭✭oldyouth


    All of my friends know one :o

    Only joking, but yes I know a few.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I know one older man who's pretty vociferous about his feelings. He insists it's a choice, but he was outraged when I asked him when he chose to be straight.

    I know a few closet homophobes, they say all the right things in public but roll their eyes and wrinkle their noses in private.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    I'm not proud of this - but I am homophobic. I don't know if it's just how I was raised or what....but I have nightmares where the cast of 'Queer Eye For The Straight Guy' hold me down and make fun of my clothes.

    After they throw out all my clothes, they end up painting my walls, and redecorating my living room.

    Also, clowns scare the hell out of me. If the clown was gay, I'd still be scared, so I think that counts.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    They're out there, and present here, but like the fianna fail voter, they don't tend to shout about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    I'd say most people fall on a spectrum.

    You could make a distinction between people who find homosexuality icky but are happy to live and let live and people who want them to be oppressed because they find them icky.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭pauliebdub


    In my experience most women are fine with it both here in Dublin and in rural Ireland where I'm from, a handful of women who are also quite religious of varying ages are uncomfortable with it.

    Older men tend to much more uncomfortable around gay people, though I wouldn't nescessarily call them homophobic they just might not be very familiar with it or have unresolved insecurity regarding their own sexuality. I have a few older male neighbours who wouldn't speak to me. Younger guys are mostly fine particularly if they like you in the first place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    I know a few. Some are young and would be well educated and others would be of an older generation.
    Do you know any homophobic people?


    I'm not sure their education or their age has much to do with anything, or maybe that's your point? I know plenty, right across the social spectrum, and many more I'd care not to have any dealings with, as Candie describes below.

    At least if I'm aware of their homophobic tendencies, I can choose whether I want to engage with them or not, but it's the sneaky bastard closet homophobic people that really get the brunt of my anger, because not only are they ignorant, but they were able to hide their ignorance under the radar, and then I'm more angry at myself that I didn't pick up on it.

    Candie wrote: »
    I know one older man who's pretty vociferous about his feelings. He insists it's a choice, but he was outraged when I asked him when he chose to be straight.

    I know a few closet homophobes, they say all the right things in public but roll their eyes and wrinkle their noses in private.


    I was out for drinks one night with a young couple, well educated, social justice warrior types (at least I'll admit to my prejudices, they give me a pain in my face! :(), giving it welly with the anti-homophobic rhetoric, and I happened to mention that in my youth I'd played a bit of same-sex tonsil tennis...

    The FACES! :pac: It really was that wrinkled nose, withdraw with revulsion, "You can't possibly be as "liberal" as us type look. I can look back on it now and laugh at the way they reacted in unison with each other, identical faces, but at the time I was certainly thinking "perhaps one has shared too much" :D

    Perhaps I was better off to stick with the older generation who have a much greater understanding of homophobia having struggled to keep up the pretence of being heterosexual all their lives that they had gotten to a point where they resigned themselves to isolation and loneliness because they assumed society would never accept that they couldn't help who they were attracted to, they couldn't even accept it themselves, in much the same way I suppose as many of the younger generation nowadays assume the elder generation don't understand homosexuality.

    They may not understand it, but that sure as hell doesn't mean they don't know what it is to be afraid to be themselves. I find far too often in these types of discussions that the younger generation talk about the older generation "dying off", and what they fail to realize is that many of the older generation would never want young people to go through the same thing they went through, and in fact that many of them support LGBT rights rather than oppose them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Licencetokill


    My 80 year old grandfather is a terrible homophobe. When I was younger I thought
    He was the funniest person alive. But as I got older I was disgusted. I don't think
    He means to be hurtful though he's just old fashioned that way. Come to think of it he hates everyone equally.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 739 ✭✭✭steveone


    floggg wrote: »
    In a serious, there are very few of those though. More often us just an extroverted personality which fits the usual gay stereotypes.

    Unfortunately as these guys don't really fit the usual character type for young men these age, people just assume they are putting it on.

    And unfortunately people tend to dislike people or things which stand out as different from their expected so they ascribe some ill motive like attention seeking where there is none. They are just being themselves, and perhaps not giving a **** if people would prefer they didn't.

    I wouldn't call that homophobia on the part of the people judging them - more a case of lacking empathy or understanding of different personalities.


    Ascribing an ill motive? I wonder if a focus group of 'homophobes' were interviewed and asked exactly what it is that they dislike about homosexuals , where the 'extroverted ' issue would feature? And also, i wonder why it is that the extroverted personalities always seem to be males...women are rarely as blatant if displaying the fact that they're gay-they just get on with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,360 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Never met somebody who was fearful of gay people or homosexuality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,190 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    cloud493 wrote: »
    Not necessarily homophobic like 'gay people are the worst' but plenty of people who would be uncomfy around gay people, use gay slurs to describe bad things, etc.

    On it's own you can discount a fair chunk of those people. And lets not forget how many a pre-pubescent boy in the eighties thoughts girls were all a bunch of homos. :pac:

    There's some sort of disgust, and they usually can't explain it to you, that shows up in genuine homophobes. I've met an elder member of a certain religion who put a lot of effort into his disgust face, a bit like someone biting into a lemon.
    I wonder if it isn't a case of the lady dost protest too much with some of them.
    There was a famous televangelist who showed up in a few films who was very anti-gay, there was a bit of a scandal when it turned out it didn't disgust his so much behind closed doors. Links introduced me to the term 'Haggard's Law' which came out of the scandal. The ironing is delicious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭average hero


    Homophobia is a term that's been thrown around a lot the past while. Do I know any homophobic people? No, I don't think so. If I did, I'd question their views to why and that could reevaluate my friendship with them. With that being said, I know of plenty of people who use terms such as 'homo' 'fag' and 'you're gay' etc. It's mostly used to straight friends (say on the football field or whatever) and I think it's used similar to 'don't be a girl' type comments. These lads wouldn't use the term to insult homosexual people (as far as I know).

    Some people view not being pro-homosexual as being homophobic and I think that is wrong too. Equality means respect for all viewpoints even if they don't tie in with your own.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭swiftblade


    Homophobia is a term that's been thrown around a lot the past while. Do I know any homophobic people? No, I don't think so. If I did, I'd question their views to why and that could reevaluate my friendship with them. With that being said, I know of plenty of people who use terms such as 'homo' 'fag' and 'you're gay' etc. It's mostly used to straight friends (say on the football field or whatever) and I think it's used similar to 'don't be a girl' type comments. These lads wouldn't use the term to insult homosexual people (as far as I know).

    Some people view not being pro-homosexual as being homophobic and I think that is wrong too. Equality means respect for all viewpoints even if they don't tie in with your own.

    If your friends turned around and said, "Don't be a (insert derogatory term to a race here)" you would have no problem with that?

    I know the majority of people don't mean to use those words in that way. It's just another insult, similar to "Ya muppet!" or something, but it still doesn't help the overall issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Some people view not being pro-homosexual as being homophobic and I think that is wrong too. Equality means respect for all viewpoints even if they don't tie in with your own.

    Equality = equality. This means gay people should not be treated differently to straight people on the basis of their sexuality.

    Viewpoints only deserve respect if they meet a standard of reason or insight. You can't insist on respect for your views, but you can expect to be treated with "respect" by people, regardless of your sexuality (or, sometimes, views :) ), as a simple human courtesy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭loh_oro


    For the people who say they believe marriage is only between a Man and a women can I ask you a question. Were you against interracial marriage? Using the logic some are using you see marriage between a man and a woman but before interracial marriage was allowed people saw marriage between people of the same skin color.

    I think that your religious beliefs should not be a factor when your deciding Civil rights of an entire group people who Deserve equal rights

    Everyone is entitled to be happy and be shown some respect


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    UCDVet wrote: »
    I'm not proud of this - but I am homophobic. I don't know if it's just how I was raised or what....but I have nightmares where the cast of 'Queer Eye For The Straight Guy' hold me down and make fun of my clothes.

    After they throw out all my clothes, they end up painting my walls, and redecorating my living room.

    Also, clowns scare the hell out of me. If the clown was gay, I'd still be scared, so I think that counts.

    What about badly dressed gays?

    We won't make fun of your clothes. We might just try to get you drunk and take advantage.

    That cool?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    steveone wrote: »
    Ascribing an ill motive? I wonder if a focus group of 'homophobes' were interviewed and asked exactly what it is that they dislike about homosexuals , where the 'extroverted ' issue would feature? And also, i wonder why it is that the extroverted personalities always seem to be males...women are rarely as blatant if displaying the fact that they're gay-they just get on with it.

    Hmmm.

    You're question is kind of proving my point - maybe they aren't "blatantly displaying they're gay" and just have a rather extroverted and larger than life personality. It's not always a display, it's just being themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Homophobia is a term that's been thrown around a lot the past while. Do I know any homophobic people? No, I don't think so. If I did, I'd question their views to why and that could reevaluate my friendship with them. With that being said, I know of plenty of people who use terms such as 'homo' 'fag' and 'you're gay' etc. It's mostly used to straight friends (say on the football field or whatever) and I think it's used similar to 'don't be a girl' type comments. These lads wouldn't use the term to insult homosexual people (as far as I know).

    Some people view not being pro-homosexual as being homophobic and I think that is wrong too. Equality means respect for all viewpoints even if they don't tie in with your own.

    No - equality doesn't mean respecting a view point that considers one group as lesser than any other, and less deserving of rights.

    Quite the opposite really.

    Nobody is required to respect any view point at all. You are only required to respect somebody's right to hold a viewpoint and express it.

    You are still allowed consider their viewpoint stupid, illogical, irrational, hateful or bigoted (or all of the above). You are even allowed tell them that.

    You just aren't allowed stop them having or expressing it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Yes, I know plenty.

    Most homophobes don't know they're homophobes. I genuinely don't think the Iona shower understand the problem, they legitimately don't think it "counts" as homophobia if it doesn't involve stringing somebody out of a lamp post. And you see milder forms of that all over Ireland.

    "I'm not a homophobe but-" is usually a convenient self identifier, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Muise... wrote: »
    Fingers crossed that works, but as the woman in question had only been working for Mrs Homophobe for a few weeks, she was probably on probation. :(

    Don't think that is relevant for equality law - nor is there any minimum period you must have worked with the employer before you can make a claim under equality legislation (unlike unfair dismissals legislation).

    Though i haven't looked at that legislation in a ling while so i am open to correction on that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    It can be really hard for some people to cope with all the change in society and some just don't like it. I wont condemn these people, they are entitled to their opinions. I can hardly tell them they're wrong anyway, sure I've a home phone myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Equality means respect for all viewpoints even if they don't tie in with your own.

    No it doesnt. Equality is not about respecting all viewpoints at all. Its about being treated equally.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    1210m5g wrote: »
    Seeing how this topic popped up i thought i'd share this story, my best friend got sacked from her job yesterday for being bisexual, she had been working as a PA for the last few weeks and was getting on great until yesterday when the woman she was working for started asking her about her partner. As soon as her employer realised she was in a relationship with a woman she said she would have to let her go as "it would be like having a man woking as my PA"

    That's completely illegal.
    The boss is both homophobic and sexist!
    The Equal Status Act would kick in and she should get onto the Equality Authority.

    I've known a few people who've been let go for being pregnant too. Some employers are clueless about legalities of stuff like this.

    Did this happen in Ireland ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    To be honest I'm 100% behind equal rights for homosexuals but I have to admit that I am very slightly homophobic myself. I grew up in the 90s when everyone was using the term 'gay' as an insult. Most of my friends from secondary school still do, it pisses me off and makes me uncomfortable but I'll more than likely never say it to them.

    I also someone who let's just say wouldn't bake a certain cake. I've a had many an argument with him about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Have a friend who seems nervous enough around gay guys. We were winding him up saying he'll have to share a hotel room with a gay lad on an upcoming stag. The line we used was the gay guy was the best man and other fella was a groomsman so they HAD to share the room. Got visibly uncomfortable about it. Tried to brush it off saying he didn't mind but that was bollox.

    At the same time he said he will vote in favour of SSM.

    So I don't know if that counts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Not really, I think one of my good friends was quite homophobic when we were teenagers, but I think he doesn't really give a **** any more.

    We all knew it though, and messed with him constantly for it.

    For example, filming a "coming out confession", then showing it to him when he was drunk ("Here man, look what we found on his phone!!!"). The reaction was absolutely priceless. "Oh ****, we should beat the **** out of him!"

    After we mocked him over that incident I think he calmed down. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭Medusa22


    I have never had any trouble with homophobes, but maybe that's because I'm a girl who is with a girl? Sometimes men stare or smile or so if we kiss, mostly people just seem curious rather than homophobic.

    I have only come across one homophobe that I'm aware of, and that's my next door neighbour. He never says or does anything to us but I am friends with his daughters so I know that he makes comments about myself and my partner and that he doesn't approve of homosexuality.

    However, he does seem grumpy but he's like that with everyone so I never would have known if they hadn't told me. On the whole, I think most people are not homophobic, but there might be occasional ones like the neighbour who don't openly admit it to me so I don't know. I really don't care what they think, as long as they keep it to themselves.

    When the neighbour found out that we were going to have a civil partnership, his response was 'for ****sake', so I very kindly called over to their house to give them some wedding cake the other day. I was going to give it to his daughter because it was also her birthday but he answered the door so I smiled sweetly and handed him the wedding cake, he looked uncomfortable and said thank you :D

    After all of this 'gay cake controversy' I'm even more amused now.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Yep. From every culture and spectrum of the social strata. Some are very loud about it & some would mutter under their breath. A few of them I'd even hang out with & slowly they are changing their attitudes I'm pleased to report.

    Of course, the obnoxious types I wouldn't have the time of day for.

    Oddly, some of the fervent anti gay people I knew from school ended up turning out to be gay, after all :D


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