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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #7142
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    VinLieger wrote: »
    This is disgusting and again it's all coming from this lad whos not even from the area

    How do you know he doesn't live in the area ? Is he the same guy who's a spokesman (to be a spokesman, you don't have to be directly affected by the issues that are affecting the people you represent by the way) for one of the groups ?


  • #7143
    Shelflife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    In all seriousness this looks really bloody awful for Ireland's reputation. Dublin - the friendly city to do business?

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/fresh-legal-challenge-to-stop-all-the-garth-brooks-concerts-30412313.html

    I can't see how it's bad for Ireland's reputation at all.

    Promoter sells tickets for 5 concerts for which he has no licence ( nothing to stop him getting a licence prior to sale)

    Promoter then feigns suprise that there would be any issue with 5 concerts in a row esp after the 1 dir earlier. As someone living in Mayo and with no connection to Dublin or the music industry even I knew that wouldn't go down well.

    GAA come out of this badly as they drove a horse and carrige through any agreements that were in place.

    So DCC refuse to be bullied and allow 3 concerts rather than bow the knee to the big corporation.

    Yes it's a huge blow to the fans and I really feel sorry for them, but if they were allowed to go ahead this time it would set a precident for the future.

    Bully bit tactics by all the Organisers, sell the tickets sure they'll never deny us and we will force it through.

    Again feel sorry for the fans but well done to DCC for sticking to their guns.


  • #7144
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Anyone know when we'll get money back for the Monday or Tuesday night gigs?


  • #7145
    Shelflife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    Fwiw the 3 concerts will go ahead, if he pulls out it will raise a very thorny legal issue as the tickets are sold subject to licence. They have the licence so I would imagine a contract of sorts is now in place.


  • #7146
    Fred Swanson
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  • #7147
    Shelflife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    They would just refund.

    Maybe Fred , I'm sure there's something in the t&cs to protect them, I'd expect a few cases out of it if they did cancel in a hissy fit.


  • #7148
    deise08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08


    So when today should we actually expect to hear an outcome? they were sayin Tuesday.


  • #7149
    OldGoat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    If Garth cancels 3 licensed gigs then might he be in-breach of a contract with the ticket holders? Is a ticket a contract to be honoured?

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



  • #7150
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    OldGoat wrote: »
    If Garth cancels 3 licensed gigs then might he be in-breach of a contract with the ticket holders? Is a ticket a contract to be honoured?
    I'd imagine there is some stipulation in there that will protect the artist. Artists cancel gigs all of the time. The ticket holders will just be refunded.


  • #7151
    Steam Roller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Steam Roller


    deise08 wrote: »
    So when today should we actually expect to hear an outcome? they were sayin Tuesday.

    I reckon tomorrow. Let peter aiken come home first.


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  • #7152
    Rasheed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Rasheed


    Do people really have to refer to Garth as 'Girth' or 'fat Garth' etc? It's immature, sad and lends nothing to the debate.


  • #7153
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    cournioni wrote: »


    Get your facts straight before you post again.

    Save your "orders" for the fora a you actually moderate!


  • #7154
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    Save your "orders" for the fora a you actually moderate!
    Fair enough, make a fool of yourself as you wish.


  • #7155
    Climber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭Climber


    The argument that hosting three, five, ten, a thousand concerts in Croke Park somehow provides a huge boost to the local economy is nonsense. It's actually dishonest and deceitful.

    The vast majority of the tickets proceeds goes straight to Garth, Aiken and the GAA.

    The local pubs around Croke Park are not owned by the locals, the shops are all chains and all the clamping fees goes to a private operator!:eek:

    Typical "its good for d'conomy" crap from the scumbags in suits:mad:


  • #7156
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Rasheed wrote: »
    Do people really have to refer to Garth as 'Girth' or 'fat Garth' etc? It's immature, sad and lends nothing to the debate.
    Yes.


  • #7157
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Climber wrote: »
    The argument that hosting three, five, ten, a thousand concerts in Croke Park somehow provides a huge boost to the local economy is nonsense. It's actually dishonest and deceitful.

    The vast majority of the tickets proceeds goes straight to Garth, Aiken and the GAA.

    The local pubs around Croke Park are not owned by the locals, the shops are all chains and all the clamping fees goes to a private operator!:eek:

    Typical "its good for d'conomy" crap from the scumbags in suits:mad:

    I have seen various estimates of the value but it is ridiculous to suggest there is no local benefit. I'm not sure what qualifies the "suits" as scumbags. Another agenda at work perhaps?


  • #7158
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    I love how we are supposed to feel sorry for the hotels and pubs who will lose a load of money.


  • #7159
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    I love how we are supposed to feel sorry for the hotels and pubs who will lose a load of money.

    Do you understand how economies work?


  • #7160
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    First Up wrote: »
    Do you understand how economies work?

    banana republic
    noun
    derogatory
    noun: banana republic; plural noun: banana republics

    a small state that is politically unstable as a result of the domination of its economy by a single export controlled by foreign capital.


  • #7161
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    First Up wrote: »
    Do you understand how economies work?

    Yes by GDP, not a 5 day concert.


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  • #7162
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    I love how we are supposed to feel sorry for the hotels and pubs who will lose a load of money.

    How do you lose money that hasn't been spent yet?


  • #7163
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,114 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Rivers of Vomit!
    Counsel said Mr Duff has lived at his current address at North Cumberland Street North, in Dublin 3 says that during the concerts he will have limited access to his home and will be subjected to concert goes "vomiting" and "urinating" on the street


  • #7164
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,114 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    How do you lose money that hasn't been spent yet?
    if rooms are booked and then cancelled on a large scale..it's a major kick in the hole for the owner


  • #7165
    Steam Roller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Steam Roller


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Rivers of Vomit!


    Wtf ? Are all 80000 people squating down up there? Never mind line dancing.


  • #7166
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    if rooms are booked and then cancelled on a large scale..it's a major kick in the hole for the owner

    Most hotels offer a cheaper rate if you pay when you book or else you can pay later and get a free cancellation. Since the hotels put their prices way up for the Garth Brooks concert it's safe to say a person booking would have to pay straight away and not have the option of a free cancellation.


  • #7167
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Yes by GDP, not a 5 day concert.

    Read up on it.


  • #7168
    beakerjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,020 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    A river of vomit with Cowboy hats floating in them.

    We are through the looking glass here people!


  • #7169
    Climber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭Climber


    First Up wrote: »
    I have seen various estimates of the value but it is ridiculous to suggest there is no local benefit. I'm not sure what qualifies the "suits" as scumbags. Another agenda at work perhaps?

    The "Scumbags in suits" remark is aimed at the ruling elite, the establishement, the vested interests riding that Gravy train. They need to convince the great unwashed that there is a benefit from holding these concerts.

    Can you show me any of these estimates and provide backup as to how these estimates were calculated please? I'm genuinely interested in discovering how these concerts will benefit the "locals".

    The implication is that a value creating occurence benefits everybody. Tell that to the residents of a typical African village which is located beside a Gold Mine :cool: The Gold mine operator (and the corrupt Gov. officials) make all the money, the locals get nothing.


  • #7170
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Again, it doesn't. It looks bad for the process of getting a licence for concerts, that is all.

    Exactly. Most entertainment vendors won't make the distinction that Croke Park is in a residential area - unless they've had business with Ireland already, they are far more likely to steer clear of a place where they hear that licences take months to obtain, are non-negotiable, the decision unappealable, where a resident's association can threaten the thing in part or wholly, and where you have opinionated folk like Keegan at the helm.

    From a non-business sense, nobody internationally is going to notice it, mind.


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  • #7171
    strangel00p
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭strangel00p


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    if rooms are booked and then cancelled on a large scale..it's a major kick in the hole for the owner

    Good, I have no sympathy for the hotels. They saw these concerts as a chance to rip fans off by increasing prices. Same goes for the publicans, major contributors to the usual antisocial behavior around Croke park events.


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