SSM Referendum Spring 2015

VinLieger · 07-07-2014 07:34PM

fran17 wrote: »

could a moderator please clarify for me why a poster who submitted a post which insulted islam,and this post was deemed to be of a certain nature as to be removed immediately,has not received an infraction for this post?
if this is not the correct place to ask this question then please instruct me how to.i would flag the post but it has been removed

Could you tell us why your ignoring legitimate questions being posed to you?

Is it cus you know your position is untenable and your afraid of admitting you havent a ****ing clue what your on about other than you don't like homosexuals for absolutely no reason?

krudler · 07-07-2014 07:36PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Could you tell us why your ignoring legitimate questions being posed to you?

Is it cus you know your position is untenable and your afraid of admitting you havent a ****ing clue what your on about other than you don't like homosexuals for absolutely no reason?

At least that'd be honest. You'd almost respect that a bit more.

floggg · 07-07-2014 07:38PM

fran17 wrote: »

could a moderator please clarify for me why a poster who submitted a post which insulted islam,and this post was deemed to be of a certain nature as to be removed immediately,has not received an infraction for this post?
if this is not the correct place to ask this question then please instruct me how to.i would flag the post but it has been removed

I have no idea what post you are referring to, or what was said. That said,

(a) i don't think insulting a religion is against any charter;
(b) you technically insult islam every time you say that jesus was god; and
(c) how in the **** can you be complaining about a post that was removed? even if there was something wrong with it (which i doubt), the deletion cured the ill.

Now answer the questions asked please.

fran17 · 07-07-2014 07:41PM

floggg wrote: »

Another thing - you're arguing that i should be denied the right to marry because it's against your book. But your book says let he without sin cast the first stone.

So what right have you to impose our judgement on me? You are allowed sin as you wish as its not the States business, and I'm sure you have. Are you going to tell me you have never done any of the following:

* masturbated;
* had non-marital sex;
*had non procreative sex;
* used contraception;
* given or received oral sex of any variety;
* gotten divorced;
* coveted or lusted after your neighbours wife;
* had sexually impure thoughts;
* committed adultery;
* failed to beat your wife when required to do so by the bible.

And that's just in the sexual/marital realm. I won't get into all the other things that you should be doing per the words of your book.

If you're going to try to impose the morality of your book on me, you should tell us what gives us the right to do so. If you can and do violate your book, then why can't I?

I look forward to your answer.

Edit - you might also kindly address whether or not you think doing (or failing to do as applicable) those things should also be made illegal. If you don't think some or all should be made illegal, please explain why since unlike same sex marriage, those are expressly prohibited by god (don't think god (or his ghost writes) has ever actually said anything about same sex marriage).

I have so many questions thrown at me you'll have to be patient.this thread is about homosexuality and so keeping on topic I am referring to the bible's teachings on homosexuality.if the topic was related to masturbation,beating of one's wife,eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics then I would gladly reply to those issues if I addressed them in such threads.if we all started answering random questions then the thread topic would never be addressed.
my point on this topic is that there is nowhere in the bible that condones homosexuality and many passages which say the opposite.if you can find me a passage which condones homosexuality then i'll stand corrected?

_Redzer_ · 07-07-2014 07:41PM

krudler wrote: »

Oh good jesus, just answer the questions you were asked. At least be honest about it.

I have never in my life encountered someone who used religion to bakc their claims and opinions to be honest. That's actually a fact, and not an exaggeration in my experience.

Actually, as soon as you ask for evidence, so simple and routine, they scatter like cockroaches under the fridge like the lights have been suddenly turn on.

_Redzer_ · 07-07-2014 07:44PM

fran17 wrote: »

I have so many questions thrown at me you'll have to be patient.this thread is about homosexuality and so keeping on topic I am referring to the bible's teachings on homosexuality.if the topic was related to masturbation,beating of one's wife,eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics then I would gladly reply to those issues if I addressed them in such threads.if we all started answering random questions then the thread topic would never be addressed.
my point on this topic is that there is nowhere in the bible that condones homosexuality and many passages which say the opposite.if you can find me a passage which condones homosexuality then i'll stand corrected?

His questions are perfectly valid because they make the point that if you cherry pick what you believe then your views and opinions are irrelevant and not to be taken seriously.

It's very simple. Either it's all true and all the rules are to be followed, or none of it is.

Corkfeen · 07-07-2014 07:45PM

fran17 wrote: »

I have so many questions thrown at me you'll have to be patient.this thread is about homosexuality and so keeping on topic I am referring to the bible's teachings on homosexuality.if the topic was related to masturbation,beating of one's wife,eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics then I would gladly reply to those issues if I addressed them in such threads.if we all started answering random questions then the thread topic would never be addressed.
my point on this topic is that there is nowhere in the bible that condones homosexuality and many passages which say the opposite.if you can find me a passage which condones homosexuality then i'll stand corrected?

You seem to be entirely missing the point. You appear to wish to live in theocracy where rights are defined by your religious beliefs. We do not live in such a place,thankfully. Understand? You also appear to have ignored single point that every poster has made to you.

shruikan2553 · 07-07-2014 07:45PM

fran17 wrote: »

I have so many questions thrown at me you'll have to be patient.this thread is about homosexuality and so keeping on topic I am referring to the bible's teachings on homosexuality.if the topic was related to masturbation,beating of one's wife,eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics then I would gladly reply to those issues if I addressed them in such threads.if we all started answering random questions then the thread topic would never be addressed.
my point on this topic is that there is nowhere in the bible that condones homosexuality and many passages which say the opposite.if you can find me a passage which condones homosexuality then i'll stand corrected?

Simple yes or no, do you follow everything in the list? Not looking for an essay, just 1 word which Im sure nobody would argue against.

st10 · 07-07-2014 07:54PM

comongethappy wrote: »

When it comes to referendums there are those so anti-government, they will vote 'No' no matter the question.... Im looking at you Donegal!

I may get really annoyed with my home county if that's the case..., but I totally see where that point comes from.

I'm planning on flying in from uni in the UK so I can vote yes. (Postal votes would be nice, but can't see that happening...)

NuMarvel · 07-07-2014 07:59PM

fran17 wrote: »

I have so many questions thrown at me you'll have to be patient.this thread is about homosexuality and so keeping on topic I am referring to the bible's teachings on homosexuality.if the topic was related to masturbation,beating of one's wife,eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics then I would gladly reply to those issues if I addressed them in such threads.if we all started answering random questions then the thread topic would never be addressed.
my point on this topic is that there is nowhere in the bible that condones homosexuality and many passages which say the opposite.if you can find me a passage which condones homosexuality then i'll stand corrected?

Then sticking to the topic, if the bible condemns homosexuality, should the State overturn the decriminalisation of homosexuality?

fran17 · 07-07-2014 08:01PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

You seem to be entirely missing the point. You appear to wish to live in theocracy where rights are defined by your religious beliefs. We do not live in such a place,thankfully. Understand? You also appear to have ignored single point that every poster has made to you.

#1307

fran17 · 07-07-2014 08:02PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Simple yes or no, do you follow everything in the list? Not looking for an essay, just 1 word which Im sure nobody would argue against.

that's my answer,study it.if you don't like it then change channels.its a free country thankfully

P_1 · 07-07-2014 08:05PM

fran17 wrote: »

that's my answer,study it.if you don't like it then change channels.its a free country thankfully

I think i speak for quite a lot of people when I say whut?

Annasopra · 07-07-2014 08:06PM

fran17 wrote: »

that's my answer,study it.if you don't like it then change channels.its a free country thankfully

Thats not an answer. Thats a long winded way of saying you refuse to answer.

shruikan2553 · 07-07-2014 08:08PM

fran17 wrote: »

that's my answer,study it.if you don't like it then change channels.its a free country thankfully

Very well, I will assume you do not and are just a hypocrite with something against homosexuals. You could have just said yes or no but unless you correct me, I'll study it and say no.

Solid_Shepard · 07-07-2014 08:08PM

fran17 wrote: »

that's my answer,study it.if you don't like it then change channels.its a free country thankfully

What does what you posted have to do with the facade you're using to hide your prejudice? If there are items in the bible that you arbitrarily dismiss, you are perfectly capable of dismissing the homophobic passages present in the bible also unless you are actually bigotted.

fran17 wrote:

my point on this topic is that there is nowhere in the bible that condones homosexuality and many passages which say the opposite.if you can find me a passage which condones homosexuality then i'll stand corrected?

The point is facetious unless you follow every single thing in the bible. If you dismiss/ignore anything, you have no ground to stand upon in this argument, EDIT 2: which itself has nothing to do with same-sex civil marriage actually.

EDIT 3: To humour you, however:

Mark 12 wrote:

“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than these.”

It doesn't seem very loving to restrict the legal rights of one's neighbour to me, particularly when there is no commandment greater than this, wouldn't you say?

krudler · 07-07-2014 08:11PM

fran17 wrote: »

I have so many questions thrown at me you'll have to be patient.this thread is about homosexuality and so keeping on topic I am referring to the bible's teachings on homosexuality.if the topic was related to masturbation,beating of one's wife,eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics then I would gladly reply to those issues if I addressed them in such threads.if we all started answering random questions then the thread topic would never be addressed.
my point on this topic is that there is nowhere in the bible that condones homosexuality and many passages which say the opposite.if you can find me a passage which condones homosexuality then i'll stand corrected?

Oh you're not going to use the old "you can be gay, just don't do gay things" bible defence are you, in which case there's still no argument against gay marriage. If two gay men were together but never had sex, you'd be ok with that?

Kiwi in IE · 07-07-2014 08:20PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

You seem to be entirely missing the point. You appear to wish to live in theocracy where rights are defined by your religious beliefs. We do not live in such a place,thankfully. Understand? You also appear to have ignored single point that every poster has made to you.

fran17 wrote: »

#1307

And here is post #1307

fran17 wrote: »

yes she dressed up as a schoolgirl because she was a school girl and she was the artist and the video was filmed in a school.you cant compare that to an adult gay man who dresses,or consents to,his teenage backing dancers dressing as boyscouts and undressing to there underwear during his performance.sir Elton john is far from a naïve seventeen year old.
so by your logic,if this is your defence,do you feel that music makers consider boyscouts to be attractive to gay men?

reparative therapy.thats way beyond my pay grade...

fran17 wrote: »

that's my answer,study it.if you don't like it then change channels.its a free country thankfully

What in the name of €&*%????

krudler · 07-07-2014 08:24PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

And here is post #1307

What in the name of €&*%????

I think at this point it's clear his/her posts are full of sh1t.

PopePalpatine · 07-07-2014 08:25PM

fran17 wrote: »

that's my answer,study it.if you don't like it then change channels.its a free country thankfully

It wasn't nearly as free when the Bible-thumpers were in charge.

Corkfeen · 07-07-2014 08:25PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

And here is post #1307

What in the name of €&*%????

Is that the question Fran has been going on about me answering? Inappropriate stripping isn't exactly unique to gay musicians. So yep, I can't help but conclude that Fran is full of rubbish. I'll be honest, I am not very surprised. How this relates to Fran's dream of theocracy, I am not sure. Would Fran also like to bring back stoning?

fran17 · 07-07-2014 08:27PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Thats not an answer. Thats a long winded way of saying you refuse to answer.

#1830? just for the record

fran17 · 07-07-2014 08:28PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Is that the question Fran has been going on about me answering? Inappropriate stripping isn't exactly unique to gay musicians. So yep, I can't help but conclude that Fran is full of rubbish. I'll be honest, I am not very surprised. How this relates to Fran's dream of theocracy, I am not sure. Would Fran also like to bring back stoning?

will you answer the question or not?

Kiwi in IE · 07-07-2014 08:30PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Is that the question Fran has been going on about me answering?

I'm not sure there Corkfeen and I doubt Fran knows either to be honest!

P_1 · 07-07-2014 08:33PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

I'm not sure there Corkfeen and I doubt Fran knows either to be honest!

Is he playing some unusual form of bingo? He's just shouting out random numbers at this stage

Ave Sodalis · 07-07-2014 08:33PM

fran17 wrote: »

will you answer the question or not?

Does he feel that boys scouts are attractive to gay men, or that music makers think so? I can't see how it's relevant either way but the first one is a no, not as a whole and the second one is no, not as a whole. I guess that means that painting everyone with the same brush doesn't actually achieve anything.

fran17 · 07-07-2014 08:34PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

It wasn't nearly as free when the Bible-thumpers were in charge.

do you still stand by that post about the prophet Muhammad?

P_1 · 07-07-2014 08:37PM

fran17 wrote: »

do you still stand by that post about the prophet Muhammad?

What in the name of Odin's beard do Muhammad or Jesus have to do with a referendum on allowing same sex couples to avail of civil marriage.

fran17 · 07-07-2014 08:39PM

P_1 wrote: »

What in the name of Odin's beard do Muhammad or Jesus have to do with a referendum on allowing same sex couples to avail of civil marriage.

it now has everything to do with the credibility of this forum

Ave Sodalis · 07-07-2014 08:41PM

P_1 wrote: »

What in the name of Odin's beard do Muhammad or Jesus have to do with a referendum on allowing same sex couples to avail of civil marriage.

Even more to the point, what in the name of aforementioned Gods facial hair does a comment on the potential state of mind of Muhammad or Jesus have to do with a referendum on allowing same sex couples to avail of civil marriage

SSM Referendum Spring 2015

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