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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Makes no difference if it washes with you or not.

    The fact that it is washing with those that make decisions is all that matters.

    Business is like Poker, sometimes you have to bluff in order to get the largest pot.

    Aitken and Brooks would have been fools not to bluff here as they have nothing to lose by doing so and everything to gain. This is in effect, a bluff with built in insurance, as the three concerts won't be taken off the table and so they can bluff risk free.

    They might not get the two licences for the Mon and Tues, chances are they won't, nor even for Fri 1st and Sat 2nd of Aug, but it was well worth a try. As I said, grabbing the three gigs and settling as soon as it the offer was made would have been a fierce foolish thing to do altogether. What they've done instead is given themselves a chance of getting the go ahead for the gigs for those 160,000 ticket holders (which nobody else seems to give two hoots about) by doing what they have done. Fair play, hopefully it won't be vain.

    It hasn't happened yet boyo, the law is clear any attempt to review the original decision or fast track a new licence will be stopped by the courts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Business is like Poker, sometimes you have to bluff in order to get the largest pot.

    Ah, so you're finally agreeing it is about the money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    It hasn't happened yet boyo, the law is clear any attempt to review the original decision or fast track a new licence will be stopped by the courts.

    ... And Brooks will do.The 3 concerts because suddenly THAT will be the fair and decent thing to do. He'll look for far worse than Ireland will if he doesn't.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    It hasn't happened yet boyo, the law is clear any attempt to review the original decision or fast track a new licence will be stopped by the courts.

    Latest news from a Morning Ireland journalist is that the legal advice to DCC is that the decision cannot be overturned.

    https://twitter.com/petulamartyn


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Ah, so you're finally agreeing it is about the money.

    End if the road re-reg...?!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Umaro wrote: »
    This actually made me feel sick.

    If the "powers that be" grant the 2 extra licenses we will actually be an international laughing stock. A banana republic that holds concerts to ransom until the correct palms have been greased.

    Do you not see how much worse this would make us look?

    Who's palms are you talking about getting greased?

    As for how we look...

    The fact that tickets can be legally sold for concerts which have not yet being licenced, is the biggest laugh of all and is without question, something that needs to change as rapidly as possible, so that this kind of debacle never occurs again.

    I have to say though, I find it quite odd that you (and others) think leaving 160,000 ticket holders (of which many have booked flights, hotels etc) in the lurch, somehow shows us in a better light than if we grant the licences and punish those responsible for the calamity in other ways, such as fines, bans from holding more concerts at Croke Park for the next two years etc. That to me makes no sense at all and makes me question your concerns about how we look, as you seem to not care at all about how Ireland showing no concern for 160,000 ticket holders, some of which are not from this country, will make us look.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Woke up thins morning to nothing but Garth Brooks, Garreth Brooks, sex in a holiday nightclub in Spain and one developer pulling out of a local mega stadium/concert/cinema venture locally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    End if the road re-reg...?!

    Who, me ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    If...IF...Garth pulls the 3 gigs he has permission to play can Croke Park sue for loss of earnings?

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    OldGoat wrote: »
    If...IF...Garth pulls the 3 gigs he has permission to play can Croke Park sue for loss of earnings?

    Perhaps:

    http://www.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/prince-sued-for-16m-after-pulling-out-of-croke-park-gig-26499861.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Who's palms are you talking about getting greased?

    As for how we look...

    The fact that tickets can be legally sold for concerts which have not yet being licenced, is the biggest laugh of all and is without question, something that needs to change as rapidly as possible, so that this kind of debacle never occurs again.

    I have to say though, I find it quite odd that you (and others) think leaving 160,000 ticket holders (of which many have booked flights, hotels etc) in the lurch, somehow shows us in a better light than if we grant the licences and punish those responsible for the calamity in other ways, such as fines, bans from holding more concerts at Croke Park for the next two years etc. That to me makes no sense at all and makes me question your concerns about how we look, as you seem to not care at all about how Ireland showing no concern for 160,000 ticket holders, some of which are not from this country, will make us look.

    ... "us" being Aiken and the GAA right? Because I fail to see how any sensible person could blame this on a country that has reasonable laws and not on the than the individual who broke them and wants to be rewarded for it.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    The fact that tickets can be legally sold for concerts which have not yet being licenced, is the biggest laugh of all and is without question, .

    That's why one is paying a fee to the likes of Ticket Master, no one gives a dam because it is all insured and in most cases the promoters get away scott free with ticket processing company giving the refunds.

    It happens quite a bit, concerts get pulled for a variety of reasons, the number one is not filling the capacity, next it the artist pulling out for undisclosed reasons, the artist pulling out for health reasons, and at the bottom of the pile is the cancellation of a gig becsue it breaches planning permission ~ it's nothing new, but it rarely happens to artist of this magnitude.

    But I do remember a time in Cork when the then megastar who dwarfs this Brooks lad, Michael Jackson was not allowed at short notice to play at Páirc Uí Chaoimh because of the loudness of his music and complaints from residents ~ !!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    and one developer pulling out of a local

    :eek: Disgusting! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42



    The fact that tickets can be legally sold for concerts which have not yet being licenced, is the biggest laugh of all and is without question, something that needs to change as rapidly as possible, so that this kind of debacle never occurs again.

    The DCC say that all could have been applied for before tickets went on sale.
    Promoters knew that refusal was likely so tried to pull a fast one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Ah, so you're finally agreeing it is about the money.

    Nope. The "pot" in question is contextual and did not money, nice try..

    In fact, I'm quite sure that if Garth Brooks was due to make the same amount of money from playing three gigs, as he would from five, he would still choose to play the five.

    Anyone that suggests differently, just doesn't know what makes the guy tick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,135 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    Of course it has, we look like a joke. Its rep internationally has been damaged.
    You're right, Intel, Pfizer, Google and Hewlett Packard are all pulling out of Ireland because a concert wasn't given a licence because it broke an agreement. They didn't mind the country going bankrupt, the bailouts or the abuse cover up scandals. It's when the guy who sings "friends in low places" doesn't get the go ahead for a concert that's going to effect us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Promoters knew that refusal was likely so tried to pull a fast one.

    I wouldn't say it was definitely likely but it certainly was possible. Unfortunately for all involved Aiken didn't seem to think it was a risk worth worrying about


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    As long as there isnt a deal done whereby we take some of next years concert allowance and give it to garth.

    3 years worth of concert allowance for 1direkshun and garth brooks, shudder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Peppa Pig


    In fact, I'm quite sure that if Garth Brooks was due to make the same amount of money from playing three gigs, as he would from five, he would still choose to play the five.

    Anyone that suggests differently, just doesn't know what makes the guy tick.
    So why did he refuse to allow his music on iTunes for years, forcing his fans to buy full albums when all they wanted was the new songs.

    I don't claim to know what makes him tick, but I do know he is not thick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley



    In fact, I'm quite sure that if Garth Brooks was due to make the same amount of money from playing three gigs, as he would from five, he would still choose to play the five.

    Anyone that suggests differently, just doesn't know what makes the guy tick.


    Oh my God, I'm just beginning to realise that it really is a like a cult when it comes to this guy. His followers literally do believe every thing he says.

    David Koresh has nothing on this guy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,135 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Oh my God, I'm just beginning to realise that it really is a like a cult when it comes to this guy. His followers literally do believe every thing he says.

    David Koresh has nothing on this guy.
    I noticed this a while ago. If you ever argued with a Jehovah Withness it's the same.
    If Garth Brooks himself upped the price of the tickets to make up for the lost concerts the fans wouldn't blame him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,020 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    All hail Gareth, I for one welcome our new country music overlord


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Cienciano wrote: »
    I noticed this a while ago. If you ever argued with a Jehovah Withness it's the same.
    If Garth Brooks himself upped the price of the tickets to make up for the lost concerts the fans wouldn't blame him

    I'm actually quite worried now that if gigs don't go ahead, there'll be a mass taking of cyanide pills.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    I wouldn't say it was definitely likely but it certainly was possible. Unfortunately for all involved Aiken didn't seem to think it was a risk worth worrying about

    The people who knew most about feelings among residents where the promoter and the GAA, I think they knew very well what would happen...first 3 then 5, then the very late application. Stinks to high heaven imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,020 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    I'm actually quite worried excited now that if gigs don't go ahead, there'll be a mass taking of cyanide pills.


    FYP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭Arne_Saknussem


    I'm actually quite worried now that if gigs don't go ahead, there'll be a mass taking of cyanide pills.

    Or drinking of Kool-Aid in residents gardens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭muddypaws


    Aitken and Brooks would have been fools not to bluff here as they have nothing to lose by doing so and everything to gain. This is in effect, a bluff with built in insurance, as the three concerts won't be taken off the table and so they can bluff risk free.

    They might not get the two licences for the Mon and Tues, chances are they won't, nor even for Fri 1st and Sat 2nd of Aug, but it was well worth a try. As I said, grabbing the three gigs and settling as soon as it the offer was made would have been a fierce foolish thing to do altogether. What they've done instead is given themselves a chance of getting the go ahead for the gigs for those 160,000 ticket holders (which nobody else seems to give two hoots about) by doing what they have done. Fair play, hopefully it won't be vain.

    Ah but officer, yes I was doing 120km/h in a 50km/h zone, but could we not negotiate? Why should I settle for a fine and points for that kind of speed, can we not agree that I was only doing 60 km/h, which is hardly over the limit at all, and I'll take the penalty for that? Yes I was breaking the law, but if I lose my licence I won't be able to work, it will have serious financial ramifications for my whole area, and think of the children.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,200 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    What absolute twaddle.

    There was nothing "premeditated" about what he said, nothing at all. Just because his findings don't please you, doesn't mean they were not legit. I posted the article last night here which was based on his attempt to mediate the situation and as I said yesterday afternoon in the thread, there is a hardcore section of the residents in Croke Park who will never be pleased, no matter what happens, no matter what they are offered and surprise surprise, that is just precisely what Mulvey found he was up against.

    He was also clearly with the residents in that he felt five concerts in a row was unfair and far too much to expect them to endure and so your comment suggesting he showed lack of independence is bs. He clearly went into the situation to attempt to help resolve the issue and be fair to both sides, but because you don't like what he has said, you imply he is biased and had a premeditated outcome but the truth is that you're the one who is biased as you're condemning the man's efforts just because his findings are not what you would like them to have being. Hope the irony of that is not lost on you.

    His findings are nothing new by the way, as the hardcore element of the residents have always been pushing their luck down there and attempting to hold Croke Park to ransom.

    Have to say I find it funny that the people saying over and over again that an agreement was made and that it should be adhered to, somehow yet still support the three concerts which have been granted licences. I mean, you either think the 2009 agreement should be followed, or you don't. You can't have it both ways.

    I also find the faux concerns about Garth Brooks letting his fans down if not playing the three concerts to be nauseating. They are about as disingenuous as it gets and just being used to make the guy look like a money grabber, yet again. No matter that he chose Ireland and Croke Park out of pretty much anywhere in the world, nah, the guy clearly doesn't care about the Irish fans at all. Big meanie. :p

    Look, for all those who think what he said show disrespect to his Irish fans, nothing could be further from the truth and what he was saying, was that he didn't want to discriminate against the 160,000, just because they bought tickets to the last two concerts and that he felt that they were just as important as the fans who bought tickets to the first three concerts. Seems an admirable thing to say to me but yet this is twisted to some how make the guy look greedy. Course, had he just said 'Okay so, I'll just play the three concerts', no doubt the same folks would be on here saying that he should have stuck up for the 160,000 and insisted it was all or nothing. You can't win, or at least, he couldn't as he would have been condemned for his comments no matter what he said.

    Incidentally, I happen to think his response was perfect, as it showed not only does he wish to play the five concerts and not just three of them, but his comments have resulted in the powers that be working frantically to get the licences for the last two shows granted, at some stage, if not on the following Mon and Tues. Had he just excepted his fate and the fate of the 160,000 last week, then none of this would be going on. Sure.. nothing may come of it, but at least he gave himself and the 160,000 a chance by playing hardball like he has.

    Who knows, they might be given the option of playing the last two shows on the following Friday and Saturday night, as most businesses in that area wouldn't be then adversely affected to the same degree they are on weekdays and as the majority of people don't work at weekends, it would be easier on the residents then also. Yes, it's unprecedented, but exceptions might be made considering the tickets have been sold, flights / hotels booked etc. Either way, anyone that thinks that Brooks might not play the Fri, Sat and Sun shows, which they have been granted licences for, are extremely gullible. Those shows mean the world to him and he is clearly just playing hardball here. It was obviously the correct and savvy thing to do and Aitken and him both know it. By doing what they have, they have made themselves open to any proposals which might be about to be put their way following today's meetings but have also simultaneously left themselves still with the option of playing the three offered. Jumping on the three last week would have been foolish.

    100% unadulterated waffle of the highest calibre.

    You don't really beleive the non-sense you've just posted, do you?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    I'm actually quite worried now that if gigs don't go ahead, there'll be a mass taking of cyanide pills.
    beakerjoe wrote: »
    FYP
    Or drinking of Kool-Aid in residents gardens
    FFS.

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,135 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    I'm actually quite worried now that if gigs don't go ahead, there'll be a mass taking of cyanide pills.
    I don't think we'll be losing any brain surgeons.


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