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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #6572
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    ardle1 wrote: »
    There's going to be an emergency motion presented to DCC tomorrow(Monday).. You are all aware of that yeah?

    It isn't worth th paper its written on, the councillors have NO say in the matter as it is an executive function of the City Manager.


  • #6573
    gerbilgranny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭gerbilgranny


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Kind of hoping all 5 concerts are cancelled on Tuesday just to see this thread explode:)

    ...and a gloom descend over our country for a few weeks.

    Feel-good factor is contagious. It makes people spend more money ....in the Spar in Caherciveen, or in Arnotts in Dublin.


  • #6574
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    gerbilgranny wrote: »
    ...and a gloom descend over our country for a few weeks.

    Feel-good factor is contagious. It makes people spend more money ....in the Spar in Caherciveen, or in Arnotts in Dublin.

    Listen sir/Madame there be no gloom over the country if the concerts don't go ahead, At this stage the whole lot of it is like one bad Irish joke.


  • #6575
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Latest read all about it

    The process under way over the weekend to try to salvage the Garth Brooks concerts that were planned for Dublin’s Croke Park are understood to have largely focused on getting the US singer to commit initially to perform on three occasions, and then allow space over the coming days to determine if further events could be held.

    On the other hand a group of residents living close to Croke Park held a rally yesterday calling for licences to be given for all five concerts.

    This included a petition signed by about 2,000 local residents calling for the five concerts to go ahead as originally planned.

    It was reported yesterday that a Garda investigation was under way into allegations that some signatures had been forged on the original concert planning objections.

    Mr Aiken told The Business on RTÉ Radio 1 that Brooks had made it clear it “was either five [concerts] or none” adding: “I don’t think he will back down.

    “The idea of moving to a different venue – it just wouldn’t work because the stuff is custom-made for Croke Park . . . Twelve container loads have already left America en route here and these are special lights that are going to be put into the Hogan and the Cusack stands.
    “We have a schedule to start on July 12th in Croke Park – that’s how big a build-up this is.”

    From today's Irish times.

    This could be made into a film yet :-)


  • #6576
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    SoCal MusicLover wrote: »
    This makes no sense on so many levels. First of all the money Garth is taking out of the country is through ticket sales. Which without him would not exist.

    Of course the money that was spent on tickets exists and did exist. It wasn't just magiced out of the air when the concerts were announced.
    Cancelling the concerts provides an opportunity for it to be spent on other goods and services in the economy.


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  • #6577
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,430 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    realies wrote: »
    Latest read all about it

    The process under way over the weekend to try to salvage the Garth Brooks concerts that were planned for Dublin’s Croke Park are understood to have largely focused on getting the US singer to commit initially to perform on three occasions, and then allow space over the coming days to determine if further events could be held.

    On the other hand a group of residents living close to Croke Park held a rally yesterday calling for licences to be given for all five concerts.

    This included a petition signed by about 2,000 local residents calling for the five concerts to go ahead as originally planned.

    It was reported yesterday that a Garda investigation was under way into allegations that some signatures had been forged on the original concert planning objections.

    Mr Aiken told The Business on RTÉ Radio 1 that Brooks had made it clear it “was either five [concerts] or none” adding: “I don’t think he will back down.

    “The idea of moving to a different venue – it just wouldn’t work because the stuff is custom-made for Croke Park . . . Twelve container loads have already left America en route here and these are special lights that are going to be put into the Hogan and the Cusack stands.
    “We have a schedule to start on July 12th in Croke Park – that’s how big a build-up this is.”

    From today's Irish times.

    This could be made into a film yet :-)

    That is the plan, isn't it? ;) That'll be some concert DVD, oh the drama!


  • #6578
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,956 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Cancelling the concerts provides an opportunity for it to be spent on other goods and services in the economy.

    Like tissues for wiping away tears and phone credit for ringing Joe!


  • #6579
    SoCal MusicLover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭SoCal MusicLover


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Of course the money that was spent on tickets exists and did exist. It wasn't just magiced out of the air when the concerts were announced.
    Cancelling the concerts provides an opportunity for it to be spent on other goods and services in the economy.

    I guess, to a certain extent. But it's not quite that simplistic. Some won't get spent, people could use some to travel outside the country, etc.

    The one thing you have is velocity of money. People going out and spending it at bars, restaurants, taxis, stores. You are talking about guaranteed circulation and spending of money, and the common workers who would not ordinarily be working on those nights. That also generates tax revenue that would not otherwise occur. Many people would just not go out, that's a fact, and if you honestly think that's a good thing, it's incorrect.

    Anyways, that is the most I can explain it. I'm just an accountant though, and you have such a strong opinion towards these concerts anyways. The basic economics of it is kind of irrelevant to you changing your mind about anything related to the shows.


  • #6580
    beakerjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,020 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Are the shows cancelled yet ?


  • #6581
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,841 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    What this thread needs is a parody of The Downfall scene with Hitler in his bunker complaining about the concerts getting cancelled.


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  • #6582
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    Are the shows cancelled yet ?

    That is up to Garth, he can do three that are licenced of he can pull out altogether, his decision.


  • #6583
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    SoCal MusicLover wrote: »
    I guess, to a certain extent. But it's not quite that simplistic. Some won't get spent, people could use some to travel outside the country, etc.

    The one thing you have is velocity of money. People going out and spending it at bars, restaurants, taxis, stores. You are talking about guaranteed circulation and spending of money, and the common workers who would not ordinarily be working on those nights. That also generates tax revenue that would not otherwise occur. Many people would just not go out, that's a fact, and if you honestly think that's a good thing, it's incorrect.

    Anyways, that is the most I can explain it. I'm just an accountant though, and you have such a strong opinion towards these concerts anyways. The basic economics of it is kind of irrelevant to you changing your mind about anything related to the shows.

    It's not all about the money, believe it or not.

    Imagine what businesses of all kinds would do if there were no restrictions and checks and balances on how they make their filthy lucre?


  • #6584
    StephenHendry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭StephenHendry


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    That is up to Garth, he can do three that are licenced of he can pull out altogether, his decision.

    he could pull out of all 3, he seems pretty adamant about doing all 5 and doesn't seem too happy to just do 3


  • #6585
    muddypaws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭muddypaws


    ardle1 wrote: »
    If your not a Hater or 'concerned' resident, why in Gods name would you not want these concerts to go ahead,
    Please tell, we'r all dying to know....
    Someone just posted that 'some off their friends had bought tickets' but you still don't want to see the concerts go ahead! Like WTF....

    Bless. Perhaps because we care more about the country than about a country singer?

    Can you tell us why, if you are an adult, and capable of rational thought, you think that 2 concerts are more important than the law? A rational argument, not a fan based rant. Its a gig, my friends will be disappointed but they will get over it, nobody died.


  • #6586
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    That is up to Garth, he can do three that are licenced of he can pull out altogether, his decision.

    Exactly, but what do licences matter in Ireland when there is a buck to made, or some councillor or politician can look like a 'man/woman' of de people by interfering in planning?
    It's quite clear if you look at recent history that the GAA will ignore tradition, residents, safety, quality of life etc in their efforts to keep the cash flowing into Croke Park.
    They will move provincial finals to Croke Park (The Ulster Final), while blithely ignoring residents and business that have come to depend on them in their traditional homes. Residents and businesses that have supported the organisation over many years.
    Now the call is, 'please let these gigs go ahead, lets just nod and wink our way to a resolution'...in other words...maximise the profits at all costs and to hell with the damage done when the circus leaves town.


  • #6587
    Peppa Pig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Peppa Pig


    SoCal MusicLover wrote: »
    I'm just an accountant

    An accountant whose posts have a sinister undertone if you don't get your own way (or a keyboard warrior)
    Go before the council and simply say....approve the concerts, or be prepared for riots around Croke Park in July
    Link

    Can you confirm if you expect there to be riots around Croke Park if these concerts do not go ahead? I won't even bother to quote your racist diatribe about Irish people from the other night.


  • #6588
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Gergiev wrote: »
    The last straw for me was when the so-called mediator, Kieran Mulvey, went to the media today saying our international reputation would be in shreds if we don't find a solution. So, in other words, he's not independent at all and came to the discussions with a premeditated result in mind...

    Not at all. He came out in the media yesterday calling some of the residents militant, or along those lines, I wouldn't want him representing me.


  • #6589
    SteM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,282 ✭✭✭SteM


    realies wrote: »
    ....
    “The idea of moving to a different venue – it just wouldn’t work because the stuff is custom-made for Croke Park . . . Twelve container loads have already left America en route here and these are special lights that are going to be put into the Hogan and the Cusack stands.
    “We have a schedule to start on July 12th in Croke Park – that’s how big a build-up this is.”....

    But the first show is on the 25th. So anyone that comes out with the 'sure it's only 5 nights' line can stop with the BS. There was going to be disruption around Croke Park for almost 2 weeks before the show.


  • #6590
    theenergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭theenergy


    Ive seen more fcuking passion from people wishing these gigs go ahead

    Out protesting on phone shows etc etc

    This country cracks me up....


  • #6591
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    osarusan wrote: »
    What this thread needs is a parody of The Downfall scene with Hitler in his bunker complaining about the concerts getting cancelled.

    Apparently this is much more important than Hitlers downfall to be honest. Don't you know the world is watching and judging.


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  • #6592
    Yawns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭Yawns


    Starting to think people are making more of a fuss over this than the household charge...


  • #6593
    beakerjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,020 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    theenergy wrote: »
    Ive seen more fcuking passion from people wishing these gigs go ahead

    Out protesting on phone shows etc etc

    This country cracks me up....

    Ejits the lot of them. Theres more important things in life than some cowboy who has an achy breaky heart!

    He sang that right? :pac:


  • #6594
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,115 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Personally it doesn't matter if it's Brooks or the reincarnation of the dead beatles, outdoor gigs stopped here for a while after Feile, due to holes in our planning laws, i'd like them sorted out.


  • #6595
    Peppa Pig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Peppa Pig


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Personally it doesn't matter if it's Brooks or the reincarnation of the dead beatles, outdoor gigs stopped here for a while after Feile, due to holes in our planning laws, i'd like them sorted out.
    Or due to lack of loopholes .....


  • #6596
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    There's a lot of talk in the papers today about 'fast tracking' a new application through for the gigs to take place on the Wednesday/Thursday instead of the Monday/Tuesday.

    Legally can this be done? I'd imagine all it would take is one person to bring a challenge to this so they'd really need to make sure they get the objectors on board before going down this road.

    I don't live near Croke Park and I'm not a GB fan so I've no horse in the race and I would like to see some compromise but not if laws are just ignored. I was led to believe that the current government was going to put an end to shady deals and our lax attitude to the enforcement of regulations so it will be terrible if that continues in this case. That would have a bigger impact on our international reputation that a few concerts not going ahead.


  • #6597
    stargazer 68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    jack presley wrote: »
    There's a lot of talk in the papers today about 'fast tracking' a new application through for the gigs to take place on the Wednesday/Thursday instead of the Monday/Tuesday.

    .

    I thought it was 2 days later in the year? Not really sure what the difference is between Monday/Tuesday and Wednesday/Thursday its still 5 concerts! And not a lot of good to people with flights and hotels etc. Will those who can't go to the 'new dates' get a full refund?


  • #6598
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    jack presley wrote: »
    and I would like to see some compromise but not if laws are just ignored.

    That's the major point for me in this debate. It's hilarious, actual it's not, it's quite sad, to hear Labour and Sinn Fein, two of the biggest opposition parties during the FF years when planning corruption was rife, so much so that there was a tribunal set up to investigate it, clamouring to have the decision reversed and interfere in the process. Mary Lou McDonald had the gall to say this morning she was doing this in a personal capacity and not as part of SF.

    Have they learned nothing ? It's not going to affect peoples lives in such a way that the'll be left living somewhere without transport or facilities, but the principle is the same.


  • #6599
    beakerjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,020 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Surely there are better causes for Mary Lou to be chasing down?

    Its only Gareth feckin Brooks! Its hardly a matter of life or death!


  • #6600
    Mal-Adjusted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    if two more go ahead later in the year, does that not just mean more disruption as everything would have to be set up and taken down twice instead of once? i'm fairly neutral in this as well but i really don't like anything that sets out to undermine Irish law and rushing through legislation does exactly that.


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  • #6601
    beakerjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,020 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Ireland has already lost.

    Aiken and the GAA have fudged up and should be held accountable in some way.


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