Unpopular GAA opinions you hold

ciarriaithuaidh · 04-07-2014 12:12AM

davidfitz22 wrote: »

GAA football is a minority sport in dublin so the "they have the biggest population" argument doesn't hold (especially when you consider kilkenny hurling)

Anyone who uses the phrase "GAA football" loses the right to any opinion in these debates.

corny · 04-07-2014 04:50AM

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

I wouldn't rate 3-19, no. Not really.

He had a great game in the final last year, when it really mattered. Absolutely. That's what big players do, and he's a big player for Dublin. There's no disputing that.

Just in the grand scheme of things I'm not overly gone on him.

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Yes.

Murphy is quite possibly the best we've ever had. And he's 24. By the time he is 30 it won't even be a debate. He is a once in a generation (probably more) type player.

You're not overly gone on big players having big games when it matters.

And you wouldn't rate 3-19. Murphy scored 1-3 from play in 2012.

robbiezero · 04-07-2014 07:05AM

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

It's pathetic. And Backwards.

"Oh wouldn't it be great if they won it. "

why?

"Ah cause they've lost so many, poor creters they deserve one."

If they were good enough to have won one, they would have. Only really in 96 where it was more unlucky than anything else. No medals handed out on sympathy. Feck off.

Agreed. Was that the year Colm Coyle equalized with a ball bouncing over the bar?
Every other year, they quite simply have not been good enough, no hard luck stories.

robbiezero · 04-07-2014 07:08AM

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

I thought Marc won in 11. Keeping the reigning POTY to 2 points from play is pretty telling. 2013 Bernard obviously won but Marc is about 33 years old at this stage.

I didn't think he did all that badly.
Brogan was absolutely magnificent on the day, I'm not sure anyone else would have done any better without doubling up on him. They had a great battle. Brogan came out on top, but it certainly wasn't a rout. O'Se won some great ball too.

04-07-2014 08:00AM

davidfitz22 wrote: »

1: The MAYO4SAM campaign is the most painful thing to endure in the run up to the championships

2: GAA football is a minority sport in dublin so the "they have the biggest population" argument doesn't hold (especially when you consider kilkenny hurling)

3: Defensive ulster-style football is a legitimate strategy that works.

It was grand in 2013, but no need for it in 2014, come up with something new.

I agree with you on the Ulster style too, it may not be pretty but it can win games that teams would not normally win.

robbiezero · 04-07-2014 08:04AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

It was grand in 2013, but no need for it in 2014, come up with something new.

I agree with you on the Ulster style too, it may not be pretty but it can win games that teams would not normally win.

I have great admiration for the teams that do not resort to this. The Monaghan - Armagh game last weekend was one of the worst I have ever seen.

Nidgeweasel · 04-07-2014 08:50AM

robbiezero wrote: »

Agreed. Was that the year Colm Coyle equalized with a ball bouncing over the bar?
Every other year, they quite simply have not been good enough, no hard luck stories.

Yes it was. Liam McHale was sent off in the replay after that big brawl.

They'll argue black is white that they were the better team in 2012.

:D

corny wrote: »

You're not overly gone on big players having big games when it matters.

And you wouldn't rate 3-19. Murphy scored 1-3 from play in 2012.

Where have I said that. I've given Brogan credit for doing what he did. He decided an All Ireland final. Can't have any arguments about that. I'm just saying I'm not overly taken with him.

Murphy was half fit and was only coming into his stride for the AI series. Murphy is a better player but I'd imagine his scoring returns have diminished significantly since 2011. He plays a different role now. A better comparison of player would probably be McFadden who is a score getter in the pure sense of the word, as is Brogan.

Brogan is better.

Godge · 04-07-2014 10:18AM

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

I wouldn't rate 3-19, no. Not really.

He had a great game in the final last year, when it really mattered. Absolutely. That's what big players do, and he's a big player for Dublin. There's no disputing that.

Just in the grand scheme of things I'm not overly gone on him.

It was 3-10 from play, the highest from play in the country (joint with Martin Dunne from Cavan) and he didn't even get to play the extra games in the qualifiers.

He was also top scorer in the League in 2013 with 2-38.

Brogan consistently appears at the top of the scoring charts when you look at scores from play only. Too many commentators are caught up in the overall scoring total which includes scores from frees. It leads them to laud fairly ordinary players as great.

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Yes.

Murphy is quite possibly the best we've ever had. And he's 24. By the time he is 30 it won't even be a debate. He is a once in a generation (probably more) type player.

A case in point. How good is Murphy when you take away his contribution from placed balls.

robbiezero · 04-07-2014 10:23AM

Godge wrote: »

It was 3-10 from play, the highest from play in the country (joint with Martin Dunne from Cavan) and he didn't even get to play the extra games in the qualifiers.

He was also top scorer in the League in 2013 with 2-38.

Brogan consistently appears at the top of the scoring charts when you look at scores from play only. Too many commentators are caught up in the overall scoring total which includes scores from frees. It leads them to laud fairly ordinary players as great.

A case in point. How good is Murphy when you take away his contribution from placed balls.

I would rate Brogan, Gooch and Canavan higher than Murphy. McFadden in 2012 was better than him also.
In time he may be one of the all-time greats of the game, but for me, not yet by a good way.

Prop Joe · 04-07-2014 10:25AM

Paul Flynn is arguably the best forward in the country But

Martin Dunne,Sean McCormick and Lorcan Mulvey all outscored him last year,So does that make them better forwards? :rolleyes:

Dubliner28 · 04-07-2014 10:31AM

Paul Flynn is a quality forward. Always good for 0-2/0-3 per game. Does all the dirty work in midfield and a great link between half backs - forwards. If Dublin go to an AI Final this year(hopefully) could be a shoe in for footballer of the year

CurryFlavoured · 04-07-2014 10:53AM

Paul Flynn is one of the best footballers in the country, never mind forwards. 3 all stars in a row, he isn't as flashy as someone like Brogan or Connolly but he is brilliant.

I find it hard to compare Murphy with Brogan. Murphy in the current Donegal setup is more of a half forward than anything else, he's very rarely actually played inside. McFadden vs Brogan makes more sense...and in that case Bernard wins at a canter

nice_guy80 · 04-07-2014 10:55AM

Mayo might as well start their MAYO4SAM2105 campaign today, cause the won't be winning it this year

Nidgeweasel · 04-07-2014 11:13AM

robbiezero wrote: »

I would rate Brogan, Gooch and Canavan higher than Murphy. McFadden in 2012 was better than him also.
In time he may be one of the all-time greats of the game, but for me, not yet by a good way.

McFadden had a great season in 2012 and everything he touched turn to gold. Murphy's influence was still absolutely critical and considering he didn't get back onto a pitch until the middle of June and into the run of an ulster championship he done well.

On the way up to the final everyone with us to a man said we'd be getting a big game from him. He'd gotten himself fit and he's a big game player. 1-3 from play.

Prop Joe wrote: »

Paul Flynn is arguably the best forward in the country But

Martin Dunne,Sean McCormick and Lorcan Mulvey all outscored him last year,So does that make them better forwards? :rolleyes:

I agree with this and was going to say it above. I'm not a huge fan of Brogan, but I think Flynn is fantastic. Best forward in the country last year for me bar maybe Gooch in at 11.

Godge wrote: »

It was 3-10 from play, the highest from play in the country (joint with Martin Dunne from Cavan) and he didn't even get to play the extra games in the qualifiers.

He was also top scorer in the League in 2013 with 2-38.

Brogan consistently appears at the top of the scoring charts when you look at scores from play only. Too many commentators are caught up in the overall scoring total which includes scores from frees. It leads them to laud fairly ordinary players as great.

A case in point. How good is Murphy when you take away his contribution from placed balls.

He's still brilliant. Everybody knows what he can do when he's let loose inside. He's a monster. His role has changed now and as he's so good it's not uncommon to see him in 3/4 different positions during the course of a match. His influence on a game remains massive even if he's not the focal point like McFadden.

Unless it's the case that Martin Dunne is better because he scored more from play than Murphy?

adrian522 · 04-07-2014 11:25AM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Mayo might as well start their MAYO4SAM2105 campaign today, cause the won't be winning it this year

Please tell me that wasn't a typo?

04-07-2014 11:38AM

robbiezero wrote: »

I have great admiration for the teams that do not resort to this. The Monaghan - Armagh game last weekend was one of the worst I have ever seen.

Well yea an open attacking game is usually more exciting, but teams have to play to their ‘alleged’ strengths, thus the defensive game plan.
But I think it’s been proven that a “defensive first, defense only” policy will only get you so far.

David Brady said about the 2011 Donegal team, that you cannot play tactics for 70mins, at some stage you have to be inventive, and he was dead right.
It was only when Donegal added the attacking element to their game that they blew everyone away

The Tyrone teams that won in ’05 and ’08 were far more expansive than the one that won in ’03.

Loais would have beaten Dublin in the 2012 QF if they had been more attacking in the 2nd half.

Nidgeweasel · 04-07-2014 12:10PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Well yea an open attacking game is usually more exciting, but teams have to play to their ‘alleged’ strengths, thus the defensive game plan.
But I think it’s been proven that a “defensive first, defense only” policy will only get you so far.

David Brady said about the 2011 Donegal team, that you cannot play tactics for 70mins, at some stage you have to be inventive, and he was dead right.
It was only when Donegal added the attacking element to their game that they blew everyone away

The Tyrone teams that won in ’05 and ’08 were far more expansive than the one that won in ’03.

Loais would have beaten Dublin in the 2012 QF if they had been more attacking in the 2nd half.

The problem is aswell the level of punditry. Pat Spillane (<SNIP>) described Fermanagh v Antrim as a "Great game".

If that's a great game we are in bother. High scoring between two very poor teams.

randd1 · 04-07-2014 12:35PM

The provincial system is holding back the GAA, and is the root of all the problems with the club fixtures, and until it's abandoned in favour of a planned and settled calander the clubs will continue to suffer.

04-07-2014 12:41PM

Darran o' Sullivan's goal, 'the flick', v Limerick in 2011 is possibly the most overrated goal in the history of football.

It was an opportunist flick, nothing more, is was in the right place at the right time.

zombieHanalei · 04-07-2014 01:08PM

randd1 wrote: »

The provincial system is holding back the GAA, and is the root of all the problems with the club fixtures, and until it's abandoned in favour of a planned and settled calander the clubs will continue to suffer.

Provincial system isn't the problem, it's the scheduling that's the problem. Fixtures are spread out as much as possible to maximise tv coverage/revenue potential.

For example; four Ulster quarter finals played on four consecutive weekends. 22 days from the first Ulster quarter final to the last. They could just as easily all be played on the one day.

First provincial semi final was played back on the 8th of June (Roscommon v Mayo), last semi final was last Sunday, and as Monaghan v Armagh was a draw the provincial semi finals will have been played out over 5 weekends. They could all have been played off over one weekend, two weekends accounting for replays.

Stricter co-ordination of the provincial calendars would be of a massive benefit to clubs, and it would also prevent scenarios in qualifiers where teams who haven't played for 5/6 weeks end up being drawn against teams who haven't played for 1/2 weeks.

Although I imagine such strict co-ordination of the schedule would not seek universal approval from some fans and it most certainly would not be accepted by the GAA themselves for commercial reasons.

Prop Joe · 04-07-2014 01:19PM

I would much rather the All Ireland was played similar to International Soccer.

Play a match with the county then you go back to your clubs for 2 weeks then a week to prepare for your next Championship match.

Hulk Hands · 04-07-2014 01:31PM

aveytare wrote: »

Who would you consider Kerry's best defender of the last decade or so, Hulk Hands? They've had a lot of good ones.

As a man marker Moynihan. As a player Tomas O'Se. Both top class

nice_guy80 · 04-07-2014 02:15PM

zombieHanalei wrote: »

Provincial system isn't the problem, it's the scheduling that's the problem. Fixtures are spread out as much as possible to maximise tv coverage/revenue potential.

For example; four Ulster quarter finals played on four consecutive weekends. 22 days from the first Ulster quarter final to the last. They could just as easily all be played on the one day.

First provincial semi final was played back on the 8th of June (Roscommon v Mayo), last semi final was last Sunday, and as Monaghan v Armagh was a draw the provincial semi finals will have been played out over 5 weekends. They could all have been played off over one weekend, two weekends accounting for replays.

Stricter co-ordination of the provincial calendars would be of a massive benefit to clubs, and it would also prevent scenarios in qualifiers where teams who haven't played for 5/6 weeks end up being drawn against teams who haven't played for 1/2 weeks.

Although I imagine such strict co-ordination of the schedule would not seek universal approval from some fans and it most certainly would not be accepted by the GAA themselves for commercial reasons.

simplest solution of the lot.
proper scheduling of games

keane2097 · 04-07-2014 02:26PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Darran o' Sullivan's goal, 'the flick', v Limerick in 2011 is possibly the most overrated goal in the history of football.

It was an opportunist flick, nothing more, is was in the right place at the right time.

Didn't realise anyone rated it!

Nidgeweasel · 04-07-2014 02:30PM

Does anyone think thre should be venue changes.

I think beaten provincial finalists should play the round 4 qualifiers at their own ground.

And provincial winners should have a home tie for a quarter final.

I'd much rather see for example a packed Killarney or McHale park than a half empty echoing croke park for a double header.

I know the arguments would be - Should a provincial loser get a 'reward' for losing a final.

-Grounds being too small

-Players wanting to play in Croker

But I think it'd be much better in terms of atmosphere and ensuring sell outs and creating a bit more a demand etc. Be a great boost for the wider towns and also bring back abit more of the mystique about Croke Park having it for semi finals and finals.

(Be a disaster mind you if it was Kildare and a ground only for for 5/6k!)

Prop Joe · 04-07-2014 02:33PM

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Does anyone think thre should be venue changes.

I think beaten provincial finalists should play the round 4 qualifiers at their own ground.

And provincial winners should have a home tie for a quarter final.

I'd much rather see for example a packed Killarney or McHale park than a half empty echoing croke park for a double header.

I know the arguments would be - Should a provincial loser get a 'reward' for losing a final.

-Grounds being too small

-Players wanting to play in Croker

But I think it'd be much better in terms of atmosphere and ensuring sell outs and creating a bit more a demand etc. Be a great boost for the wider towns and also bring back abit more of the mystique about Croke Park having it for semi finals and finals.

(Be a disaster mind you if it was Kildare and a ground only for for 5/6k!)

Excellent idea,Agree 100% - For the likes of Kildare,Westmeath,Louth etc.. maybe they could nominate a home ground i.e Portlaoise,Tullamore

keane2097 · 04-07-2014 02:36PM

Quarter-finals in Croke Park are a total disaster alright.

Nidgeweasel · 04-07-2014 02:39PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Quarter-finals in Croke Park are a total disaster alright.

Are you being sarcastic or genuine?

I think it makes sense for the Dubs but I don't really get it for the others.

keane2097 · 04-07-2014 02:43PM

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Are you being sarcastic or genuine?

I think it makes sense for the Dubs but I don't really get it for the others.

Totally serious, think the amount of games played in Croke Park is a joke.

It used to be an honour for players and a massive day out for supporters. I'd get more of a buzz out of going to Semple or Fitzgerald's Stadium these days.

nice_guy80 · 04-07-2014 03:17PM

If the Dubs have such a big following, let them spend their money in a rural town some weekend instead of keeping them in Croke Park all summer

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