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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #5372
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,504 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »
    As far as disruption, road closures, noise, anti-social behaviour etc it makes no difference though. Are you saying children are welcome on the streets of Galway at 1am with 20 or 30 thousand people (including myself) swallowing

    Yes. They are. It's a festival.


  • #5373
    Sheeps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭Sheeps


    Gareth Brooks looks like an egg.


  • #5374
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    After a day of nonsense and over the top reactions to the cancellation of a gig that would only last for 2-3 hours it is clear that deciding the rights and wrongs of this on the basis of one gig is never going to offer a solution.
    Decide what rights private business has and what rights residents have, reach a clear and transparent agreement and then stick to it.
    Contaminating that clearly necessary process with the whinge fest about lives being changed irrevocably, because of a missed gig, is silly.


  • #5375
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    It's not as if he application sits on a desk for a few weeks before in week 9 someone has a quick glance and stamps 'approved'.

    Copies are sent to all the relevant stakeholders to review (environmental, traffic, policing, health & safety etc) and they are given time to examine and see are their requirements met.

    I'd prefer them to be thorough and not make a decision in a short timeframe. Who'll be liable if a licence is fast tracked through and there's an accident or something that could have been avoided?


  • #5376
    Shiraz 4.99
    Site Banned Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Shiraz 4.99


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    DCC cannot backtrack, the decision cannot be changed by DCC and there is no appeals mechanism from it, save to the Superior Courts on a point of law.

    What if they forgot to carry the one or something, surely there has to be some right of appeal.
    Anyway, this is Ireland, prepared to be amazed how this is fudged through


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  • #5377
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »
    What if they forgot to carry the one or something, surely there has to be some right of appeal.
    Anyway, this is Ireland, prepared to be amazed how this is fudged through

    THERE IS NO APPEAL MECHANISM!
    And the Council cannot, by law, revisit the issue once they have issued their decision.
    End of!


  • #5378
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,135 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    galwayredgirl wrote: »
    The country singer said: “I have faith that Dublin City Council will make the best decision for the people of Ireland."


    The decision is made, but he doesn't respect it. Unless the decision involves Gareth Brooks making more money, he's not interested


  • #5379
    realweirdo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 974 ✭✭✭realweirdo


    The problem with bandwagons and over hyped concerts and events in general is that people allow their emotions over rule their heads.

    One huge question here..when RTE and all the major cheer leaders of these gigs were giving wall to wall coverage of Brooks concerts did even one journalist bother to ask if all the concerts had licences??

    Thought not!

    I'm reminded of those people who wont go to any gaa matches all year until their team is in an all ireland final and then do what it takes to go denying genuine fans of a ticket.

    400,000 occassion groupies have been disappointed here thats all.


  • #5380
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Interesting article in the IT which explains a lot of the questions being asked on here

    http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/ontherecord/2014/07/04/garth-brooks-the-inevitable-live-music-mess-of-the-year/


  • #5381
    onlyme!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭onlyme!


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    punchestown now

    hell of a difference of going to concert at croke park and going to that kip!


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  • #5382
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,934 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    Look it's all just sheer GREED. The GAA were greedy trying to get 5 gigs in a row. The residents were every bit as greedy. Proven by their endless complaints, yet still calls for compensation and the head of the associationcalling the 500k fund "laughable". Yet when Dublin CC take complaints on board and chops two gigs its "Oh we had nothing to do with that decision. It was a last minute choice by DCC". Because now they'll get nothing. Typical greedy irish attitude to business thats making us look bad outside. Garth Brooks is dead right to threaten pulling out.


  • #5383
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • #5384
    smellmepower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 829 ✭✭✭smellmepower


    realweirdo wrote: »
    The problem with bandwagons and over hyped concerts and events in general is that people allow their emotions over rule their heads.

    One huge question here..when RTE and all the major cheer leaders of these gigs were giving wall to wall coverage of Brooks concerts did even one journalist bother to ask if all the concerts had licences??

    Thought not!

    I'm reminded of those people who wont go to any gaa matches all year until their team is in an all ireland final and then do what it takes to go denying genuine fans of a ticket.

    400,000 occassion groupies have been disappointed here thats all.

    Sure the smarmy lad hosting Prime Time (supposedly hard hitting current affairs show) last night was at pains to avoid criticizing the GAA in any way for their part in this mess,even though they hadn't bothered to issue a statement or even send a representative on to discuss DCC's decision.Media in this country,and RTE in particular,are a joke.


  • #5385
    Irishcrx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Irishcrx


    In dedication of Garth's interests and wholesome statements , I re-wrote a song for him to play on his 2015 US tour.

    'Friends in other places' by Garth Crooks

    'Blame it all on the crooks , I'll hang up my boots'
    'And ruin your Dublin affair'
    'The last one to know , I'm not gonna show I'll be the last one your gonna see there'
    'I saw the surprise and the fear in their eyes when I took their 5 concert contract'
    'And I burned you said Dublin we may be through but all I ever get is complllaaaaiinnnts'

    'Cause I got friends , in other places with no resident crimes and guranteed payments for my yearly wage.......and I'll be ok.......yeeeaaahhh I'm not big on crokers graces think I'll ship on down to the Oklahoma bases yeah I got friends....in other places'

    'Well I guess it was wrong , to not play my songs...but then we've been there before'
    'It'll be alright , I'll just say no flight and show myself a whhooorrreee'
    'Well I didn't mean to ruin this big scene just give me my contract or else'
    'Time will go by, Ireland you can go die and I'll never knnnooowww'

    'Cause I got friends , in other places with no resident crimes and guranteed payments for my yearly wage.......and I'll be ok.......yeeeaaahhh I'm not big on crokers stages think I'll ship on down to the Oklahoma bases yeah I got friends....in other places'


  • #5386
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Renegade Mechanic wrote: »
    Look it's all just sheer GREED. The GAA were greedy trying to get 5 gigs in a row. The residents were every bit as greedy. Proven by their endless complaints, yet still calls for compensation and the head of the associationcalling the 500k fund "laughable". Yet when Dublin CC take complaints on board and chops two gigs its "Oh we had nothing to do with that decision. It was a last minute choice by DCC". Because now they'll get nothing. Typical greedy irish attitude to business thats making us look bad outside. Garth Brooks is dead right to threaten pulling out.

    The residents weren't greedy, they were just fed up with the GAA leasing out the place over and over again and ignoring every agreement.


  • #5387
    jibber5000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭jibber5000


    Grayson wrote: »
    That's the rule at the moment.

    Surely the 3 concerts "deal" was a verbal agreement made by Christy Cooney in 2009.. We can argue over the moral stance of the GAA in breaking this but it was not a legal agreement, hence why DCC had no problem allowing the extra 3 to go ahead

    From what has been said, the 3 concerts allowed is not victory for the residents as they want none. More than likely will go to court to ensure they get their way


  • #5388
    Dublin Red Devil
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    It looks like, as of now, the whole thing is off.

    Brooks saying "all or nothing" is incredibly selfish and ungrateful to the 240,000 people who bought tickets for the 3 nights.

    The decision has already been made by Dublin. The promotion sold for shows 4 and 5 without a licence, Which is illegal, They broke the law.

    It's not Brooks fault, But making a threat like this now, makes things allot worse.


  • #5389
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    The one thing that has come out if this is the type of person Garth Brooks is. Here's a guy who refuses to put his music on YouTube and now says it's 5 shows or nothing, greedy bastard.


  • #5390
    Podge83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Podge83


    If the agreement with the GAA and residents is for 3 concerts a year, why did DCC grant a licence for 3 (in addition to the 1 direction 3). Surely it should have been none in the first place. It seems a bit half arsed!. At least it shows that there aren't too many "backhanders" going about.

    Fair play to the residents for standing up to this. Anyone who blames them is completely missing the point. Indeed the remaining ticket holders should be thanking them if the 3 nights do go ahead.

    The "Licence after tickets" situation is standard practice and the promoters assumed that it was too big to be refused. The promoters and their associates are the only ones at fault.

    GB's ultimatum should be shoved up his arse!


  • #5391
    jibber5000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭jibber5000


    smellmepower wrote: »
    Sure the smarmy lad hosting Prime Time (supposedly hard hitting current affairs show) last night was at pains to avoid criticizing the GAA in any way for their part in this mess,even though they hadn't bothered to issue a statement or even send a representative on to discuss DCC's decision.Media in this country,and RTE in particular,are a joke.

    RTE absolutely tore into the GAA re the Sky deal.Widely accepted that the PT debate on this was biased against the GAA


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  • #5392
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,073 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    Renegade Mechanic wrote: »
    Look it's all just sheer GREED. The GAA were greedy trying to get 5 gigs in a row. The residents were every bit as greedy. Proven by their endless complaints, yet still calls for compensation and the head of the associationcalling the 500k fund "laughable". Yet when Dublin CC take complaints on board and chops two gigs its "Oh we had nothing to do with that decision. It was a last minute choice by DCC". Because now they'll get nothing. Typical greedy irish attitude to business thats making us look bad outside. Garth Brooks is dead right to threaten pulling out.

    You talk of greed and no mention of GB "5 or nothing" comment?


  • #5393
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Here's a guy who refuses to put his music on YouTube

    Shouldn't we be thanking him for that?


  • #5394
    recyclops
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭recyclops


    jack presley wrote: »
    Shouldn't we be thanking him for that?

    an awful lot of musicians do that

    his reason was due to a contract with walmart


  • #5395
    onlyme!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭onlyme!


    unfortunately others have put his music on youtube!


  • #5396
    smellmepower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 829 ✭✭✭smellmepower


    jibber5000 wrote: »
    RTE absolutely tore into the GAA re the Sky deal.Widely accepted that the PT debate on this was biased against the GAA

    RTE only tore in to the GAA re Sky because they perceived the GAA's Sky deal as a threat to them commercially.The lad hosting RTE's hard hitting current affairs show last night brushed off any criticism of the GAA's part in this concert fiasco.Ridiculous.


  • #5397
    gerbilgranny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭gerbilgranny


    I don't see it being a matter of greed - Garth Brooks saying '5 or none'.

    There's little logic in having a system whereby licences have been granted after tickets have been put on sale.

    There's even less logic in DCC allowing 3 GB concerts after the 3 One Direction ones have already taken place - if they allow 3, they should allow 5.

    I'm with Garth Brooks on this one - he's not holding a country to ransom - he's being a rebel with a cause - the cause of the Dublin 160,000.


  • #5398
    ronjo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    gerbilgranny wrote: »
    I don't see it being a matter of greed - Garth Brooks saying '5 or none'.

    There's little logic in having a system whereby licences have been granted after tickets have been put on sale.

    There's even less logic in DCC allowing 3 GB concerts after the 3 One Direction ones have already taken place - if they allow 3, they should allow 5.

    I'm with Garth Brooks on this one - he's not holding a country to ransom - he's being a rebel with a cause - the cause of the Dublin 160,000.

    What about the Dublin 240,000 that he is screwing with?


  • #5399
    fta93
    Closed Accounts Posts: 306 ✭✭fta93


    The promoters must have done some job to brainwash some people into genuinely believing that it's not their fault.

    I really really can't believe how some are persisting with blaming the relatives when the blame is fully and only with the promoters and GAA!


  • #5400
    Un Croissant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Un Croissant


    gerbilgranny wrote: »
    I don't see it being a matter of greed - Garth Brooks saying '5 or none'.

    There's little logic in having a system whereby licences have been granted after tickets have been put on sale.

    There's even less logic in DCC allowing 3 GB concerts after the 3 One Direction ones have already taken place - if they allow 3, they should allow 5.

    I'm with Garth Brooks on this one - he's not holding a country to ransom - he's being a rebel with a cause - the cause of the Dublin 160,000.

    I'm currently working on a thesis called The Rebellion of 2014: How Garth Brooks fought the little man to bring his music to the masses.

    100 years from now, this will be a big deal.


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  • #5401
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    gerbilgranny wrote: »
    I don't see it being a matter of greed - Garth Brooks saying '5 or none'.

    There's little logic in having a system whereby licences have been granted after tickets have been put on sale.

    There's even less logic in DCC allowing 3 GB concerts after the 3 One Direction ones have already taken place - if they allow 3, they should allow 5.

    I'm with Garth Brooks on this one - he's not holding a country to ransom - he's being a rebel with a cause - the cause of the Dublin 160,000.

    Nope, it's like winning 3 tickets to an All Ireland Final and promising them to 3 friends, and then winning 2 more and promising them to 2 more friends. The 2 you won are cancelled so you decide that's not fair so nobody is getting a ticket.


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