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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #5192
    keith16
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »
    The GAA should decide to throw on plenty of extra sporting events at awkward as fook times as well which would be another way of getting back at them.

    How are they going to do that? Hope that Dublin qualify for the Champions League?


  • #5193
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    pc7 wrote: »
    Is this true? Residents signing petition to have concerts reinstated?
    http://entertainment.ie/music/news/Croke-Park-residents-to-sign-petition-to-have-all-five-nights-of-Garth-Brooks-concerts-reinstated/270985.htm

    Very interesting.

    Looks like there might be 5 concerts after all I'd say.


  • #5194
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,769 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Joe prim wrote: »
    Why do I get the distinct impression that this poster has tickets for one or even two of the canceled nights?just sayin':D

    Lol, I ain't got no tickets whatsoever, my music tastes are very wide and go all the way from Rage to Milli Vannilli but no way was Brooks ever part of it! country music sounds suicidal to me, it's just full of bum notes,

    That aside I'd still like to see all 5 gigs go ahead, hopefully with the consent of residents It's not nice to leave 400,000 people in the lurch and out of pocket. I don't for one minute blame the residents or DCC for that, Aiken & the GAA brought all of this on themselves here so it's them who should be doing some serious grovelling to the residents right now and quick so everyone can get this show back on the road in the next 48 hours.


  • #5195
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,721 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    pc7 wrote: »
    Is this true? Residents signing petition to have concerts reinstated?
    http://entertainment.ie/music/news/Croke-Park-residents-to-sign-petition-to-have-all-five-nights-of-Garth-Brooks-concerts-reinstated/270985.htm

    Some residents, and based on conditions.

    As many have said, if the GAA and Aiken had discussed it with the residents first, this could all have been sorted out long ago. It was GAA/Aiken pushing forward with no regard for the residents that caused the objections.


  • #5196
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Why are people saying the country is now a laughing stock? Nobody outside Ireland gives a shyte.

    Haven't we been a laughing stock for years anyway?


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  • #5197
    Menas
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    nm wrote: »
    And it's worth it for The Eden pub, The Coachhouse, that Spar, that chipper there, and whatever other businesses are nearby too I bet.

    Good thing for them they don't have residents like Croke Park ones around there.

    True, but tonight for example the gates open at 5. Around that time I will be able to drive for my home, past Marley front entrance, up the road some more, and collect the wee fella from creche.
    And then return the same way.

    The disruption to me will be 4 or 5 mins extra compared to doing the same journey on a day with no concert, no biggie and I like the atmosphere that most of these concerts bring.

    Then there will be some music tonight, - either close the windows or sit in the garden and enjoy it. I does not bother me either way as the music stops at about 10:45 before I hit the scratcher.

    For the residents of Croaker their disruption will be bigger than this I suspect, particularly in terms of driving around their area on the day of a concert.


  • #5198
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    gandalf wrote: »
    The difference with Marley is that the area is not as densely populated and the Park is right beside the main ring road around the city. Whilst it does effect the local area, I don't believe it does so on the same scale as Croke Park.

    Completely agree. See my other post. The disruption is very minor in real terms for me.


  • #5199
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,116 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I think the blame lies with someone from the early 90's or 80's ...possibly a priest that cancelled a gig possibly feile in Thurles, by finding a loop hole regarding setting up a stage and planning permission. for this reason gigs with over 5 thousand attendees need planning permission, which cannot be granted until the stage is built, in most cases the few days before the gig. You Priest are the biggest cvnt since cromwell


  • #5200
    [Deleted User]
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    keith16 wrote: »
    How are they going to do that? Hope that Dublin qualify for the Champions League?

    They already have an American football game organised, if thats a success then maybe two next year and so on. Increase the number of qualifier game in croke park on saturdays rather than having them around the country. Start to think about inviting some other sporting events in the stadium etc.


  • #5201
    inatissy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭inatissy


    nm wrote: »
    And it's worth it for The Eden pub, The Coachhouse, that Spar, that chipper there, and whatever other businesses are nearby too I bet.

    Good thing for them they don't have residents like Croke Park ones around there.

    I lived beside The Eden and now living beside Croke Park. There is a huge difference in the shut down required for Croke Park to Marley. There are many other frustrations compared to Marley too. It's the fact that I can't drive to work those days as I have to be back before the road locks down. I didn't have to do this in Marley. I moved here knowing that this was going to happen and I don't mind it, I accept it. But you really can't compare them, they are both operated differently and Croke park is on a huge scale lock down.

    If they put some organisation into the lock down. Some streets should be designated pedestrian, some should be for cars etc. It just so needs better organisation.

    The traffic on the grange road is the most annoying thing during the concerts, but thats really it. You have a nice guard standing at the entrance to each estate to let you in and out with your pass.


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  • #5202
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »
    They already have an American football game organised, if thats a success then maybe two next year and so on. Increase the number of qualifier game in croke park on saturdays rather than having them around the country. Start to think about inviting some other sporting events in the stadium etc.

    And what time and day is that game on?

    Its starts at 13.30 on a Saturday.

    Please try harder ;)


  • #5203
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,488 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »
    The GAA should decide to throw on plenty of extra sporting events at awkward as fook times as well which would be another way of getting back at them.

    That would be very mature wouldn't it?

    School holidays eh... :rolleyes:


  • #5204
    dixiefly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭dixiefly


    In my opinion Aiken and the GAA are wholly responsible here. They obviously assured Garth Brooks and his team that all was ok with extending the contract from 3 to 5 gigs. They must have realised that they were significantly moving the goalposts regarding licencing of the concerts. Most businesses or organisation in those circumstances would consult with those effected/ those likely to object/ those making decisions. Not to do so was either arrogant or incompetant.

    Aiken/GAA/Brooks will lose a lot of sympathy if they keep up the current line of 5 concerts or none which is designed to force the DCC and residents to back down.

    They were more than happy with 3 concerts at the start, they should accept the judgement or come up with a significant plan to appease the residents AND agree to procedures in the future that ensure that permission is gained before tickets are sold.


  • #5205
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    I hope they sort something out for the gigs, don't like to see so many people disapointed and businesses miss out on money.

    That said, I'd would be delighted for the GAA/Aiken if the gigs didn't go ahead and they had to pay out to Garth for breach of contract.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #5206
    [Deleted User]
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    The latest I'm after hearing is the residents are now worried that they wont get the 500k if no gigs go ahead.

    The truth and reality is finally coming out for all to see. Holding everyone to ransom is all they are doing.
    John_Rambo wrote: »

    School holidays eh... :rolleyes:

    Ha ha how wrong you are.


  • #5207
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »
    The latest I'm after hearing is the residents are now worried that they wont get the 500k if no gigs go ahead.

    The truth and reality is finally coming out for all to see. Holding everyone to ransom is all they are doing.

    Where are hearing this from, the little voices in your head maybe?


  • #5208
    inatissy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭inatissy


    Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »
    The latest I'm after hearing is the residents are now worried that they wont get the 500k if no gigs go ahead.

    The truth and reality is finally coming out for all to see. Holding everyone to ransom is all they are doing.

    Haha, where you hearing that?


  • #5209
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    pc7 wrote: »
    Is this true? Residents signing petition to have concerts reinstated?
    http://entertainment.ie/music/news/Croke-Park-residents-to-sign-petition-to-have-all-five-nights-of-Garth-Brooks-concerts-reinstated/270985.htm

    Fair play if true


  • #5210
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    That said, I'd would be delighted for the GAA/Aiken if the gigs didn't go ahead and they had to pay out to Garth for breach of contract.

    What breach of contract, I am sure that they will have covered themselves in the contracts as these concerts were "subject to license". If there is a risk like that to any event service it is a very poor business that doesn't ensure there is a clause in the contract to mitigate this. If they haven't then they deserve everything they get.


  • #5211
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,815 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    nm wrote: »
    Fair play if true

    Not really. they said they were doing it to prevent anger against they. That means they've been bullied into it.

    they're probably worried about all the angry culchies trashing the place every time they go up for a match.


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  • #5212
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,815 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    gandalf wrote: »
    What breach of contract, I am sure that they will have covered themselves in the contracts as these concerts were "subject to license". If there is a risk like that to any event service it is a very poor business that doesn't ensure there is a clause in the contract to mitigate this. If they haven't then they deserve everything they get.

    It's not like Aiken were on the ball in relation to applying for the permit in the first place


  • #5213
    Steam Roller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Steam Roller


    How long does a court appeal take to overrule the DCC decision?


  • #5214
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    gandalf wrote: »
    What breach of contract, I am sure that they will have covered themselves in the contracts as these concerts were "subject to license". If there is a risk like that to any event service it is a very poor business that doesn't ensure there is a clause in the contract to mitigate this. If they haven't then they deserve everything they get.

    I'm just speculating really, you're probably right about the subject to licence covering them.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #5215
    Lord Trollington
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    Grayson wrote: »
    Not really. they said they were doing it to prevent anger against they. That means they've been bullied into it.

    they're probably worried about all the angry culchies trashing the place every time they go up for a match.

    Words fail me. Maybe they should be more worried about the Dublin junkies robbing their house whilst they sleep in bed at night.


  • #5216
    nxbyveromdwjpg
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    Grayson wrote: »
    Not really. they said they were doing it to prevent anger against they. That means they've been bullied into it.

    they're probably worried about all the angry culchies trashing the place every time they go up for a match.

    Or they feel misrepresented by the residents that objected. I can understand, I wouldn't want to be tarnished by that reputation either.


  • #5217
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Steam Roller wrote: »
    How long does a court appeal take to overrule the DCC decision?

    On what legal grounds, the DCC followed the law and gave a detailed explanation for their decision, what grounds would there be for any court action?


  • #5218
    inatissy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭inatissy


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    Words fail me. Maybe they should be more worried about the Dublin junkies robbing their house whilst they sleep in bed at night.

    Nothing new there so.


  • #5219
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    I'm just speculating really, you're probably right about the subject to licence covering them.

    One would hope so but then again this is the first time an event at Croke Park has been refused a license. Maybe they were too cocky!!

    http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/2.2117/dublin-city-council-has-never-refused-events-licence-at-croke-park-before-1.1854606


  • #5220
    deandean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭deandean


    What about a bit of compromise?

    Run the two weekend gigs in the afternoons, same time that the GAA matches are played at. That way, the crowd come and go at similar times to the usual match-goers, which the locals are well used to at this stage.

    If the concerts are cancelled I see Aiken going down in flames.


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  • #5221
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,488 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »
    Ha ha how wrong you are.

    House parties with everyone going to the toilet in the back garden? Hardman keyboard warrior, kicking wing mirrors off cars, urinating in peoples gardens to annoy them? Threatening to wreck the Croke Park area cause you don't get your way!!

    Schoolboy. Wait till you grow up and get a job, you'll get some fright.


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