Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

cournioni wrote: »

3 concerts or 3 events?

They have a €500,000 fund for your friend to put his dog in a pound for a few more nights, along with tickets and even a job to go towards this. He bought a house beside the biggest stadium in the country, so he should be aware that goalposts can move from year to year. Who knows? Dublin might have a short run in the championship this time around.

Like it or not, the Old Trafford reference is very relevant as it plays host to more games than Croke Park which varies greatly on the teams success.

AFAIK they've held events as well as 3 concerts, I think it was Westlife who did 3 gigs the same summer the Eucharist Congress took place in Croke Park. Whatever the case may be there's still no excuse for attempting to raise concert nights from three to eight without engaging the residents in meaningful dialogue. The GAA could have achieved it's objectives but the manner in which they behaved has been like throwing petrol on a smouldering fire.

Residents rejected the €500,000 fund. It worked out at €18 per household. It costs my mate €15 a night to house one of his dogs in the pound and he's got two of them, so €30 a night. Total costs of 8 concerts for him was €240 for housing them in kennels. Like I said he was always prepared for three concerts, no bother. Five he said is a bit much but hey, he'd tolerate it, eight ? Now yer taking the piss.



Anyway now the day has begun I am predicting that there is going to be an avalanche of faux outrage from our pro-business right wing meeja. Here's what we're going to be listening to all day long

-Ireland's reputation will be damaged internationally (as other city councils in Europe or the US have never refused permission for an event, ever)
-No way will we get to host the Rugby World Cup if we can't even host 5 Country and Western gigs (Strawman argument, rugby is sport and the IRFU are not the GAA. Furthermore the rugby will be spread out across 5 or 6 venues, not one)
-Tourists have booked their holiday around the Garth Brooks concert and they won't come now. Airlines and hotels ain't so good at refunds, use it or lose it baby.
-Jobs will be lost because Dublin won't get a boost to the local economy. Hoteliers and Publicans will be wheeled out onto Newstalk to tell us how they were going to employ extra staff for a few days and now they're not. They will also push the line hard about how this episode is damaging internationally. At no point will the interviewer ask them if they think gouging tourists for three times the regular hotel rate is damaging our tourist industry. The publicans won't be asked about some of the highest alcohol prices in Europe and if they feel that is damaging to the Irish economy and why tourists see Ireland as bad value for money. All that won't even be spoken of in the right wing meeja. And nor will planning law and it's inadequate provisions or the failure of successive FF and FG governments to address the issue before it had to go this far. No blame for either of the two parties who have always held power in this state, Newstalk won't even ask them to be accountable for not doing anything about it all this time.

So when you're listening to radio today and the onslaught begins and all you hear is about Garth Brooks this and Garth Brooks that and jobs, jobs, jobs and what about the boost to the local economy, sure Ireland will never get out of this recession if we don't let Garth Brooks play, rabble, rabble, rabble, it's a disgrace Joe, when you're hearing all that stop and think to yourself just how insignificant the Garth Brooks concerts are in terms of our national debt.

Garth Brooks Concerts €10m boost to the economy, per concert
National debt €179,775,038, 550, and rising by €3.2m per hour, every hour, night and day.
Source http://www.financedublin.com/debtclock.php

Let's call it an even €180 billion we owe. At that level of national debt if Garth Brooks brings the economy €10m per night then we would need to let him play for another 18,000 nights to pay off the national debt. Not 5 nights, 18,000 nights. At this rate we need Garth to continue playing every night for the next 49 years, he'll be playing every night from now till 2063 to get this economy back on track.

Our national debt is rising at the tune of almost €900 per second. Every 24 hours we as a nation owe €84m than we did 24 hours previous. Any spend of €50 million at the Garth Brooks concerts would be wiped out in under sixteen hours of our debt clock rising. Take a look and see the speed that this thing is going at and think of that when 90% of the arguments you hear are about how Garth Brooks was trying to save the Irish economy and we wouldn't let him :rolleyes:
http://www.financedublin.com/debtclock.php

Muahahaha wrote: »

AFAIK they've held events as well as 3 concerts, I think it was Westlife who did 3 gigs the same summer the Eucharist Congress took place in Croke Park. Whatever the case may be there's still no excuse for attempting to raise concert nights from three to eight without engaging the residents in meaningful dialogue. The GAA could have achieved it's objectives but the manner in which they behaved has been like throwing petrol on a smouldering fire.




Anyway now the day has begun I am predicting that there is going to be an avalanche of faux outrage from our pro-business right wing meeja. Here's what we're going to be listening to all day long

-Ireland's reputation will be damaged internationally (as other city councils in Europe or the US have never refused permission for an event, ever)
-No way will we get to host the Rugby World Cup if we can't even host 5 Country and Western gigs (Strawman argument, rugby is sport and the IRFU are not the GAA. Furthermore the rugby will be spread out across 5 or 6 venues, not one)
-Tourists have booked their holiday around the Garth Brooks concert and they won't come now. Airlines and hotels ain't so good at refunds, use it or lose it baby.
-Jobs will be lost because Dublin won't get a boost to the local economy. Hoteliers and Publicans will be wheeled out onto Newstalk to tell us how they were going to employ extra staff for a few days and now they're not. They will also push the line hard about how this episode is damaging internationally. At no point will the interviewer ask them if they think gouging tourists for three times the regular hotel rate is damaging our tourist industry. The publicans won't be asked about some of the highest alcohol prices in Europe and if they feel that is damaging to the Irish economy and why tourists see Ireland as bad value for money. All that won't even be spoken of in the right wing meeja. And nor will planning law and it's inadequate provisions or the failure of successive FF and FG governments to address the issue before it had to go this far. No blame for either of the two parties who have always held power in this state, Newstalk won't even ask them to be accountable for not doing anything about it all this time.

So when you're listening to radio today and the onslaught begins and all you hear is about Garth Brooks this and Garth Brooks that and jobs, jobs, jobs and what about the boost to the local economy, sure Ireland will never get out of this recession if we don't let Garth Brooks play, rabble, rabble, rabble, it's a disgrace Joe, when you're hearing all that stop and think to yourself just how insignificant the Garth Brooks concerts are in terms of our national debt.

Garth Brooks Concerts €10m boost to the economy, per concert
National debt €179,775,038, 550, and rising by €3.2m per hour, every hour, night and day.
Source http://www.financedublin.com/debtclock.php

Ireland not unique with cancellations,
1992 The Cure denied license in England,
1992 Nirvana in Singapore
2012 Lady Ga Ga in Indonesia,
2014 Kreator in Kuala Lumpur
2014 DJ Hardwell in Edinburgh.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Heard it announced on the TV behind me on RTE news. Garth cannot now confirm any gigs will be going ahead.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0703/628237-garth-brooks/

Why do you keep the TV behind you?

To be honest after last night statement brooks can go spin. I am going not a big fan more for craic. However this morning you can see why it was not just bankers who brought the country down. The Irish Independent is meant to be a broadsheet newspaper. How will we look if we back down from this to an egomaniac of a country star who would not fill one stadium in America at the moment or anywhere else. The hysteria over this is way ott and mr brooks is fanning the flames.

mickey1979 wrote: »

The Irish Independent is meant to be a broadsheet newspaper.

Lolers. It's never been anything but a glorified tabloid.

He signed the contract with the promoter with his own blood im sure he will stand over it

It'll be interesting to see how today plays out. Will Enda say anything more about it? If the Taoiseach gets too involved he could end up with egg on his face.

Minister for Tourism Leo Varadkar is unusually quiet which is far from normal for him. If Leo thought he could hop into bed with the GAA and the residents and come out smelling like roses then he would, that lad loves a solo run. He doesn't appear to be saying anything which speaks volumes.

Real issue here now though is that it is still possible for all 5 concerts to go ahead and for faces to be saved all around. If the residents were to remove their objections then DCC would convene an emergency planning meeting to review the new application.

In order to get the full agreement the GAA are gonna have to use up three of these concerts for their 2015 allowance and the other two for 2016. This means all 5 Garth Brooks concerts would go ahead as planned and in exchange the residents get no gigs in Croker in 2015, one in 2016 and then back to the regular three in 2017.

If the residents were willing to settle on the above deal then right now they actually have a golden opportunity of limited duration to completely out-manoeuvre the GAA and it's PR mandarins. All the residents groups have to do is agree to let all 5 concerts go ahead, but only on condition that there is no concerts in 2015, one in 2016 then back to three per year, every year as per the 2009 agreement with the GAA.

All the residents would then have to do is call a press conference, the media will be there in droves. At it they apologise to all Garth Brooks fans and say they're sorry for any stress caused. Then they go on to explain how they only wanted their previous agreement with the GAA to be respected and how it wasn't and how much these increased crowds affect their quality of life, etc. But also to say how they don't want to disappoint 400,000 Garth Brooks fans and that they would be prepared to remove their objections if the GAA abide by their conditions of the agreement.

At that point the GAA is completely out manoeuvred and out foxed from a PR perspective, it would be an absolute nightmare for them if the Residents were to completely turn the tables right now and allow all 5 once their conditions are met. They'd be pressurising the GAA into signing a 3 gig a year deal, no ifs or buts.

If the GAA refused then the 5 concerts are off again after peoples hopes had been raised and then they are looking at a complete and utter PR disaster as 400,000 fans blame the GAA for being greedy instead of just sorting it out. On top of all that senior GAA officials would be lobbied hard by hoteliers, politicians and publicans to make sure it goes ahead. It'd be pretty intense to say no. To make matters worse many Garth Brooks ticket holders are also GAA members. Their own members would be ripping up their membership cards if the GAA didn't let it go ahead by agreeing with the residents.

If the residents groups have some smarts and want a way to win this battle and get their 3 gig a year agreement copper fastened once and for all then the above is the perfect way to now turn the tables on the GAA and really crank up the pressure on them to get the deal that they want.

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Garth is dead right with his threats, the county is a laughing stock and the DCC are a total joke. He obviously see the people involved as total amatuers and I dont think you will find many of the 400,000 fans blaming anyone but the residents first and foremost and then DCC for their absolute and utter incompetence. No where else in the world would this happen, planning would be granted without a second thought.

If the concert goers want to continue to blame the wrong people then they are bigger eejits.

GAA and AIken got slapped back when they tried to walk over both the planning law and the agreement that the GAA agreed to.

They are the people that should be getting the flak.

Its pretty f**kin simple really but sure dont let that get in the way of your blinkered world view.

Muahahaha wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see how today plays out. Will Enda say anything more about it? If the Taoiseach gets too involved he could end up with egg on his face.

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Apart from North Korea maybe,what other country on earth would the leader of a country get involved in a row with a washed up country and western singer over a gig?

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Apart from North Korea maybe,what other country on earth would the leader of a country get involved in a row with a washed up country and western singer over a gig?

Ireland.

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

I dont think you will find many of the 400,000 fans blaming anyone but the residents first and foremost

Nonsense hard man. A few keyboard warriors like yourself blaming and threatening violence (from behind your computer screen of course ), but most educated Garth fans know exactly who to blame. The promoter and the GAA.