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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #4952
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Hococop wrote: »
    People saying he is greedy and he needs the money and that's why he is holding out for 5 concerts, just did a few searches around and most say he has a net worth of 150+ million depending on different sites he signed a 5 year deal in 2009 in a las Vegas casino that was worth 100 million so I really doubt the man is strapped for cash

    Being rich and greedy are not mutually exclusive.


  • #4953
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    therealme wrote: »
    Do those registered businesses mentioned not pay ANYTHING to revenue which goes back into running the country?

    And will concert goers just leave the money under the mattress now that the gig has been cancelled? No, they'll spend it in other businesses.

    What is this business/economic acumen you were talking about earlier? :pac:


  • #4954
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    therealme wrote: »
    Do those registered businesses mentioned not pay ANYTHING to revenue which goes back into running the country?

    Why would the money spent there be taxed differently from the same money spent by the same punters somewhere else in Ireland. Take into account that garth is getting most of the money. It might help the IRS more than revenue.


  • #4955
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I know two people who lived up there who got free tickets. I imagine that the majority go to those on the residents association and the like.

    Two people. That's very little, no? As someone who lived there, I know that very few are given out, because it's not in CP's interest to give out loads of free tickets.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    And no, I'm not privy to the ins and outs of restrictions of concerts around the world, what I do know is that there are many which host multiple gigs a year without half as much hassle as we're seeing here.

    Which countries? It's all terribly vague. I'd hazard a guess that you haven't a clue.
    Concerts occur in stadiums all around the world and to expect it not to occur here is ridiculous.

    Again, how do you know stadia around the world don't have restrictions?


  • #4956
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    The thing is this concert will not increase over all economic activity in Ireland. Just in Dublin. And just for some Dubliners. In fact it will take some money and transfer it overseas - via Garth's pockets - and might be a net loss.

    What about the load of people flying over that will stay in hotels, Travel Ireland and do the tourist thing no one would just come over for the gig then leave.


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  • #4957
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    then why didn't they lodge complaints at the meetings? or write letters to the council explaining this?
    you would be better off asking them

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #4958
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    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    And will concert goers just leave the money under the mattress now that the gig has been cancelled? No, they'll spend it in other businesses.

    What is this business/economic acumen you were talking about earlier? :pac:

    Yep just spending it at all, at some point in the future, that's the same thing. No event ever actually brings in tax revenue then, sure its all on the way isn't it and it only needs to be spent once. Dead right, no flaw in that thinking at all.


  • #4959
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    bmm wrote: »
    Surely Mr. Brooks is going to be in trouble with the promoter if he does not fulfill his contract obligations. Each night is a separate contract , i presume, if only 80.000 tickets were sold he would have played one night only. Surely this is a rouse by the promoter & Brooks to apply pressure on Mr. Keegan. I would not like to be in Keegan's shoes this weekend ! A two week holiday abroad may be advisable!

    Yeah. I think it's a ruse. The promotors told him to hard ball it.


  • #4960
    therealme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭therealme


    Tarzana wrote: »
    The go ahead has been given for three.

    I meant for all 5. Perhaps people need to see the bigger picture and see financially how important such events are as are how other nations view us regarding tourism and employment in the future.


  • #4961
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Hococop wrote: »
    People saying he is greedy and he needs the money and that's why he is holding out for 5 concerts, just did a few searches around and most say he has a net worth of 150+ million depending on different sites he signed a 5 year deal in 2009 in a las Vegas casino that was worth 100 million so I really doubt the man is strapped for cash

    His divorce from one of his ex-wives cost him $125 million dollars so I'd say he is grublling around for every last shilling he can lay his mits on.


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  • #4962
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    Been a wonderful thread, good night, see you all tomorrow!


  • #4963
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    nm wrote: »
    Yep just spending it at all, at some point in the future, that's the same thing. No event ever actually brings in tax revenue then, sure its all on the way isn't it and it only needs to be spent once. Dead right, no flaw in that thinking at all.

    Its financial benefit is clearly being overstated.


  • #4964
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,135 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    After reading through the last 10 pages, I find it amazing that the garth brooks fans are either ignoring his statement of cancelling his other 3 dates, or are somehow making excuses for it.

    And some people are "ashamed to be irish" because 2 concerts aren't given the go ahead? Seriously, take a step back. You seriously think that cancelling 2 concerts is something to be embarrassed about?

    Has any GB fan come on and made a decent point? From what I can see, they're just enforcing the Garth Brooks fan stereotype.


  • #4965
    Steam Roller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Steam Roller


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    PUBLIC MEETING

    SILENT VIGIL

    Protest the cancellation of Garth Brooks Gigs

    Have your voice heard!

    WE CAN OVERCOME!

    DATE SAT 5th JULY 8pm - 11pm

    VENUE: CROKE PARK

    *subject to licence :)

    Is this for real or a joke or what?


  • #4966
    RED L4 0TH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭RED L4 0TH


    Hmmm, I'll think i'll build a house and only apply for planning permission when I'm moving in the furniture.......


  • #4967
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    What about the load of people flying over that will stay in hotels, Travel Ireland and do the tourist thing no one would just come over for the gig then leave.

    Will the spend of tourists exceed the amount of money Garth Brooks is earning? If so, yeah there will be a financial benefit. The size of this financial benefit isn't anything near what some people are making it out to be.

    Regardless, in no way should the decision have been based exclusively on how much money the gigs are going to earn. There's other important factors to consider.


  • #4968
    therealme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭therealme


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    The thing is this concert will not increase over all economic activity in Ireland. Just in Dublin. And just for some Dubliners. In fact it will take some money and transfer it overseas - via Garth's pockets - and might be a net loss.

    What about people from the far ends of the country who stop at a garage for petrol/diesel/coffee etc. or who pay for public transport and again purchase products in shops etc.

    Might not be a huge amount but to a small struggling business, it could mean a lot to get that extra business.


  • #4969
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    His petty demand for 5 or nothing has turned himself into a joke on twitter anyway, serious miscalculation coming out with that crap.


  • #4970
    sioux1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 ✭sioux1977


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    And 240,000 will benefit at the expense of the residents.



    I think that the residents would have perfectly good fears that it would then lead to further concerts.
    The GAA already broke their three gig agreement by adding the GB concerts.

    It's already 3 more concerts even with the two gigs not been given a licence.

    I also have sympathy with those who will miss out, but the residents also have a right here.

    I understand, but i don't think it's the case that 240,000 people will benefit at the 'expense' of the residents; they are benefiting because they paid for their tickets with their own hard-earned money, as opposed to the goodness of the residents' hearts! It's not their fault that residents live nearby, and bought houses right beside a huge, bustling, noisy venue! I understand that residents should be treated with consideration, i'm just saying i think in this case they are being stubborn for the sake of it, for the principle shall we say, as opposed to them trying to actually find a fair solution (hence why i feel that, after so many other concerts, 2 won't really make that much difference) I'm just saying that they could let this one slide, for the sake of peace and goodwill, and certainly it should'nt happen again..but instead they are taking the power-trip route. All of this is just my opinion, i understand not everyone feels the same!


  • #4971
    Yellowblackbird
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Yellowblackbird


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    The thing is this concert will not increase over all economic activity in Ireland. Just in Dublin. And just for some Dubliners. In fact it will take some money and transfer it overseas - via Garth's pockets - and might be a net loss.

    This is what's known in economics as the multiplyer effect. Garth is going to go home and spend that money in saloons and at rodeos. And those various cowboys are going to in turn spend that money enriching many more cowboys. The wild west lives high on the hog whilst Drumcondra becomes a ghost town.


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  • #4972
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    nm wrote: »
    Yep just spending it at all, at some point in the future, that's the same thing. No event ever actually brings in tax revenue then, sure its all on the way isn't it and it only needs to be spent once. Dead right, no flaw in that thinking at all.

    No event will bring in national tax revenue over what would have been taxed and spent unless it attracts foreigners or people divert money from savings. ( that's economics 101 btw).

    In this case the majority of the money is going overseas so it might be tax negative.


  • #4973
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    therealme wrote: »
    I meant for all 5. Perhaps people need to see the bigger picture and see financially how important such events are as are how other nations view us regarding tourism and employment in the future.
    This isn't the only place that concerts have been refused permission.
    And this is a 5 in a row concert that has been given a 3 in a row gig permission.
    Don't worry about it, it's not going to impact on how other nations view us by allowing GB plays three nights in a row (unless they hate the guy and think we're mad :) )
    In the bigger picture, those two extra nights weren't adding that much extra to the coffers (in the bigger picture of owing billions).


  • #4974
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Yellowblackbird wrote: »
    This is what's known in economics as the multiplyer effect. Garth is going to go home and spend that money in saloons and at rodeos. And those various cowboys are going to in turn spend that money enriching many more cowboys. The wild west lives high on the hog whilst Drumcondra becomes a ghost town.

    It's a multiplier effect somewhere else though. That's the problem.


  • #4975
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    Will the spend of tourists exceed the amount of money Garth Brooks is earning? If so, yeah there will be a financial benefit. The size of this financial benefit isn't anything near what some people are making it out to be.

    Regardless, in no way should the decision have been based exclusively on how much money the gigs are going to earn. There's other important factors to consider.

    Yeah like Ireland being a good place to visit and do the tourist thing, Then find out gig cancelled due to x reason. Paints a bad image. Guarantee in UK/Europe this would be going ahead regardless of tiny minority. They would be thinking of the larger picture making it an attractive place to come see gigs and so on.


  • #4976
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    This isn't the only place that concerts have been refused permission.
    And this is a 5 in a row concert that has been given a 3 in a row gig permission.
    Don't worry about it, it's not going to impact on how other nations view us by allowing GB plays three nights in a row (unless they hate the guy and think we're mad :) )
    In the bigger picture, those two extra nights weren't adding that much extra to the coffers (in the bigger picture of owing billions).

    If you're going to change my quote, at least write FYP.


  • #4977
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Irish Independent article made the cover of the Rolling Stone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ux3-a9RE1Q


  • #4978
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Steam Roller wrote: »
    Is this for real or a joke or what?
    its a joke

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #4979
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Yeah like Ireland being a good place to visit and do the tourist thing, Then find out gig cancelled due to x reason. Paints a bad image. Guarantee in UK/Europe this would be going ahead regardless of tiny minority. They would be thinking of the larger picture making it an attractive place to come see gigs and so on.

    What are you basing that on? No waffle, please. What concrete happenings are you basing that on?


  • #4980
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,135 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    I'm no fan of Bono or U2, but a while back they played in Croker and they had tickets in sections for €35. Fair play.
    The difference with Garth Brooks is crazy: "screw the fans of the original 3 dates, if I don't get paid for all 5 they can go and fúck themselves. Oh yeah, I love ireland and my fans there".
    And the fans lap it up.


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  • #4981
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,090 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    dloob wrote: »
    Time to CPO the houses around the stadium and turn it into one of those vast car parks American stadiums have, no more resident whining.

    Liverpool did this around Anfield although for different reasons and without using CPOs. Pissed off residents for obvious reasons.

    You buy a house and leave it empty. You buy more and leave them empty. Over time the value of houses in the area nosedives because of empty houses and dereliction, and suddenly it makes more sense for residents to sell sooner rather than later as the value of their property is only heading in one direction. Every house you buy is cheaper than the last one you bought.

    It's basically creating a zone around the stadium where the housing market implodes.


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