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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #4532
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    that doesn't change the fact, that they broke the law.

    There is currently an Irish law in existence from 1901 that states "All Irish ships fly the Red Ensign and it includes a black-and-white diagram of the flag's supposed red, white and blue colour scheme."

    Will we started going around and arresting and prosecuting all those boat owners and captains too ????

    Laws become outdated and ignored and aren't "scrapped". Whats accepted in its place is "common practice".

    Common practice is what Aiken / GAA did
    Jamsiek wrote: »
    The concert finishes at about 11 but the noise goes on for hours after that

    Only on the final day during breakdown and alot of the time its a VERY basic breakdown of equipment with heavy equipment not coming in until the following day.


  • #4533
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    cson wrote: »
    FYI for both of you; you get entered into a raffle for the opportunity to BUY the tickets.

    I have worked at many Croke Park gigs and have met many a resident who has claimed they got them for free :confused::confused::confused::confused:


  • #4534
    Kalyke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    cson wrote: »
    FYI for both of you; you get entered into a raffle for the opportunity to BUY the tickets.
    I deleted my reply because I was ill informed. But the GAA DO contribute to the local community?


  • #4535
    secman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,668 ✭✭✭secman


    end of the road wrote: »
    3 before having to apply for an events licence, so they can have more as long as the licences are granted

    Just had a read of the condition s which applied to the pp, to summarise : 3 events/ concerts permitted once permits in place , thereafter they have to apply for any more and DCC decide.

    However I thought I read somewhere thst the GAA agreed to limit it to 3.


  • #4536
    Kalyke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    miju wrote: »
    I have worked at many Croke Park gigs and have met many a resident who has claimed they got them for free :confused::confused::confused::confused:
    Maybe I was not ill informed,


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  • #4537
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    miju wrote: »
    There is currently an Irish law in existence from 1901 that states "All Irish ships fly the Red Ensign and it includes a black-and-white diagram of the flag's supposed red, white and blue colour scheme."

    Will we started going around and arresting and prosecuting all those boat owners and captains too ????

    Laws become outdated and ignored and aren't "scrapped". Whats accepted in its place is "common practice".

    Common practice is what Aiken / GAA did

    Common practice it may be - but still broke the law, which is what I was pointing out.


  • #4538
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    You're missing the point, the residents scored a victory today and made the promoters think twice about trying that again.
    no victory, and no making promotors think twice about anything, they can apply for events licences again next year

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #4539
    fta93
    Closed Accounts Posts: 306 ✭✭fta93


    end of the road wrote: »
    they broke no agreement, they applied for the events licence as required

    Its been put to you many, many times that there is. I can't be bothered to explain it so will let this post do it. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91115410&postcount=4262
    They've broken the agreement, Peter McKenna even admits they're blatantly ignoring the agreement as "its time to move on"

    and the many, many, many reputable news outlets that acknowledge it.
    http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/residents-vow-to-halt-gigs-after-croke-park-violated-concert-agreement
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/garth-brooks-dublin-gig-faces-cancellation-court-bid-30009740.html
    http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/music-news/croker-locals-reject-500k-garth-brooks-legacy-offer-30391457.html
    http://www.herald.ie/news/legal-action-threat-over-garth-brooks-concerts-30007147.html


  • #4540
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Honestly can't see why this story has gotten so much coverage. At the end of the day it boils down to a few residents getting upset that they'll have to put up with 5 nights of music bleeding out of a venue and masses of people passing through their streets. It may not be ideal but it all feels a little small minded. If you live near a stadium you have to expect such disruptions and much as I hate Brooks his presence those 5 nights was going to bring in a lot of tourists. It's hard to have any sympathy for the residents when you consider the hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions that most likely won't be spent here as a result of their crusade.


  • #4541
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    end of the road wrote: »
    no victory, and no making promotors think twice about anything, they can apply for events licences again next year

    So if you are a promoter are you going to take the risk of promoting an event with the possibility of it being cancelled? - artist will start inserting clauses that they get their $$$ even if licence isn't granted - are promoters going to take that risk?

    You watch how the laws will change after this event.


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  • #4542
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Deleted User wrote: »
    it boils down to a few residents getting upset that they'll have to put up with 5 nights of music
    You're ignoring all the games that occur in Croker and the previous 3 gigs that were already held.


  • #4543
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    end of the road wrote: »
    no victory, and no making promotors think twice about anything, they can apply for events licences again next year

    And if they try the stunt again they know what will happen, again:P


  • #4544
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Common practice it may be - but still broke the law, which is what I was pointing out.

    OK so we go around arresting and prosecuting all the Irish boat owners as well then by your logic yes ????


  • #4545
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    So if you are a promoter are you going to take the risk of promoting an event with the possibility of it being cancelled? - artist will start inserting clauses that they get their $$$ even if licence isn't granted - are promoters going to take that risk?.

    It really shows how much you know about this topic. Clauses such as the above are standard practice in concert contracts the world over


  • #4546
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    So if you are a promoter are you going to take the risk of promoting an event with the possibility of it being cancelled? - artist will start inserting clauses that they get their $$$ even if licence isn't granted - are promoters going to take that risk?

    You watch how the laws will change after this event.

    They don't need to. Promoters just need to rake a bit more care with planning concerts, appeasing local residents (regardless of the area) and not assumeing they can do whatever they like. Simples.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #4547
    Kalyke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    Am I the only one wondering why the residents are represented by a guy that, not only is not a Dub, but resides in leafy Castleknock? By the way I am not a GB fan, do not have a ticket and certainly I am not an anti Dub.


  • #4548
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    miju wrote: »
    It really shows how much you know about this topic. Clauses such as the above are standard practice in concert contracts the world over

    I assume it's there already - and the promoters will have insurance and all that - the decision of the DCC today, will increase the cost of the insurance, either way the cost will increase.


  • #4549
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    You're ignoring all the games that occur in Croker and the previous 3 gigs that were already held.

    You mean that games which have been taking place there since before the residents were born? If you move into an area such as that then you have to accept that the venue is going to be used. At the end of the day the issue is that residents are crying over a few addition nights of music. They chose to live there and as such should expect some disruption. What's the point of having a stadium if it sits there empty most of the year, you'd swear from the reaction that there were gigs happening there all year round


  • #4550
    Kalyke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    You're ignoring all the games that occur in Croker and the previous 3 gigs that were already held.
    And so are the residents.... go figure?


  • #4551
    skinny90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭skinny90


    Kalyke wrote: »
    Maybe I was not ill informed,

    I saw someone who's mam living near there get 6 tickets to one direction for free...


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  • #4552
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You mean that games which have been taking place there since before the residents were born? If you move into an area such as that then you have to accept that the venue is going to be used. At the end of the day the issue is that residents are crying over a few addition nights of music. They chose to live there and as such should expect some disruption. What's the point of having a stadium if it sits there empty most of the year, you'd swear from the reaction that there were gigs happening there all year round
    They weren't objecting to the games.
    They had an agreement on 3 concerts, which the GAA broke, and the residents objected to which is their right.

    I'm not disagreeing that living beside a stadium means you are going to have some disruption. But at what point do they object? Are they meant to wait until Croker sells out 10 nights in a row?
    The GAA/Aiken knew this was going to cause hassle, lead to an objection, and unlikely to get a licence for. They gambled and lost the last 2 nights.


  • #4553
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You mean that games which have been taking place there since before the residents were born? If you move into an area such as that then you have to accept that the venue is going to be used. At the end of the day the issue is that residents are crying over a few addition nights of music. They chose to live there and as such should expect some disruption. What's the point of having a stadium if it sits there empty most of the year, you'd swear from the reaction that there were gigs happening there all year round


    How much of an increase should they put up with? when most of the residents moved in game would have been rare. Until fairly recently GAA has been a straight knock competition. Then they introducded the backdoor system, more games than before. Recently they'd started holding games during the winter in the evening as well.


    They expect distribution and they get it. But there has to be a limit.


  • #4554
    sioux1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 ✭sioux1977


    The GAA are at fault, it's true; but in my opinion, it's awful mean of the residents to insist that some of the concerts must be cancelled. I KNOW the concerts should never have been booked in the first place, but there are 160,000 innocent people who are going to suffer both emotionally and financially as a result of the cancellations. Since 2 more concerts won't really make that much difference, I think it would have been the gracious thing to just let them go ahead. And by all means, THEN penalise the GAA, and take steps to ensure it won't happen again - but these residents are only thinking of themselves, not the multitudes of other people who will now suffer as a result of their stubborness. I'm not a Garth Brooks fan, and I don't care personally if he plays or not, I just feel so sorry for all those disappointed people. I think the residents could just grin and bear it for a couple of extra nights, but they're just being thick about it. After all, two wrongs don't make a right. This is just my opinion...since the original poster did ask for people's opinions!


  • #4555
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You mean that games which have been taking place there since before the residents were born? If you move into an area such as that then you have to accept that the venue is going to be used. At the end of the day the issue is that residents are crying over a few addition nights of music. They chose to live there and as such should expect some disruption. What's the point of having a stadium if it sits there empty most of the year, you'd swear from the reaction that there were gigs happening there all year round

    If you lived near Dublin Airport and they decided that they were going to have arrivals and departures during the night, are you saying then it would be touch **** for anyone living in the flight path, if they kept them awake at night, because one would assume sooner or later that 24 arrival/departures would occur?

    Matches don't occur on weekdays in Croke park, they don't happen at 9pm at night neither.


  • #4556
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    skinny90 wrote: »
    I saw someone who's mam living near there get 6 tickets to one direction for free...

    Good joke!


  • #4557
    rockey4215
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 ✭rockey4215


    Wow, I was lamenting the absence of the World Cup this evening, wondering what I was gonna do with my free time. But this thread. This goddamn thread. I love you all.


  • #4558
    Big C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 943 ✭✭✭Big C


    feel sorry for the grotty bed & breakfast on Gardener street that was charging €140 per head for 4 people in one room on the tuesday of Brooks concert, breakfast was extra.


  • #4559
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    Croker had an arrangement with the residents, which the GAA broke.

    they didn't, nothing was broken
    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    The GAA already knew that they had booked their agreed 3 nights

    they didn't book any agreed nights, they had the 3 1 d gigs and applied for an events licence to have 5 more which they are entitled to and required to do, they got 3 more.
    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    They should have sat down with the residents, consulted with DCC, and tried to reach a consensus.

    they tried, the residents wouldn't listen.
    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    That permission was always unlikely to be given for 5 nights in a row.

    it could have just as easily been given
    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    They took a risk to annoy the residents (by breaking an agreement)

    they broke no agreement
    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    something they must have known was unlikely to be passed by the DCC.

    they wouldn't have known, as its as likely as unlikely it would have been passed, a 50 50

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #4560
    BoB_BoT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭BoB_BoT


    sioux1977 wrote: »
    The GAA are at fault, it's true; but in my opinion, it's awful mean of the residents to insist that some of the concerts must be cancelled. I KNOW the concerts should never have been booked in the first place, but there are 160,000 innocent people who are going to suffer both emotionally and financially as a result of the cancellations.


    If you build a house without planning permission, it still has to knocked down, doesn't matter if it cost you 300k


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  • #4561
    Everythin coming up Milhouse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭Everythin coming up Milhouse


    Sums things up quite nicely.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSQNl4V_R88


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