Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Penn · 03-07-2014 05:13PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

Everyone has their price. This is great brinkmanship from the residents, as much as i hate to see a handful of nimbys dictating to tens of thousands of concert goers. Promoters will eventually make them an offer they can't refuse.

It's not up to the residents though, it's up to Dublin City Council. All the residents can do is object to the application or appeal the Council's decision. And the Council have decided that 5 large-scale concerts in one venue over 5 consecutive nights, with three of those nights being ones where many of the residents likely have work the next morning is unfair to the residents.

Even if GAA/Aiken offered the residents a truckload of money now, the decision by the Council would still need to be overturned, and that's something not done lightly or quickly.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 03-07-2014 05:14PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Good, and until then stop prending that there's loads of people from abroad coming to the concert.

There are loads of people coming from abroad to the concerts though.

They might not make the majority of the 400,000 but I would wager there are still loads, worth more than a fair few quid and definitely worth more than appeasing a few CP residents.

hynesie08 · 03-07-2014 05:16PM

end of the road wrote: »

which they should turn around and refuse to pay, you can't fine someone for doing nothing wrong, such fine would be illegitimate as the GAA did what was legally required of them.

Well.....
(3) Any person who—

(a) organises, promotes, holds or is otherwise materially involved in the organisation of an event to which this section applies, or

(b) is in control of land on which an event to which this section applies is held,

other than under and in accordance with a licence, shall be guilty of an offence.

See what section b says.
Fine is 12 million

hynesie08 · 03-07-2014 05:18PM

nm wrote: »

There are loads of people coming from abroad to the concerts though.

They might not make the majority of the 400,000 but I would wager there are still loads, worth more than a fair few quid and definitely worth more than appeasing a few CP residents.

And what percentage would you say aren't coming now? They're still coming and so is their money.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 03-07-2014 05:19PM

A quick google tells me 70k tickets sold overseas

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/70-000-tickets-for-garth-brooks-concerts-bought-overseas-1.1691687

40% of gigs cancelled so 40% of 70k, so approx 28,000 completely f*cked around by this so, give or a take a few 1000.

How many are there on the residents association?

nxbyveromdwjpg · 03-07-2014 05:20PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

And what percentage would you say aren't coming now? They're still coming and so is their money.

Obviously we can't know that. We can rest assured though the ones that don't cancel their trip will still be very p*ssed off.

But sure we have the money, right?

hynesie08 · 03-07-2014 05:23PM

nm wrote: »

Obviously we can't know that. We can rest assured though they will be very p*ssed off.

But sure we have the money, right?

And I feel for them, I really do. But if aiken and cp had a license before selling tickets, this would've all been avoided.

hynesie08 · 03-07-2014 05:24PM

nm wrote: »

A quick google tells me 70k tickets sold overseas

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/70-000-tickets-for-garth-brooks-concerts-bought-overseas-1.1691687

40% of gigs cancelled so 40% of 70k, so approx 28,000 completely f*cked around by this so, give or a take a few 1000.

How many are there on the residents association?

27,000

Johnny_Fontane · 03-07-2014 05:26PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

And I feel for them, I really do. But if aiken and cp had a license before selling tickets, this would've all been avoided.

you've been posting here for ages. Surely at this stage, you would understand that not a single outdoor event in Ireland is ever sold with a license. They are all 'subject to license'.

round and round and round.........

end of the road · 03-07-2014 05:28PM

keith16 wrote: »

Correct decision IMO. This wouldn't be such a big deal if this country in general didn't have such problems with alcohol and public order offences.

public order offences and drunkenness will happen either way, canceling 2 of the concerts makes no difference to that, so saying the decisian was correct on these grounds when it won't stop it is pointless.

keith16 wrote: »

Too many people just cannot go out and enjoy the event for what it is. And it's not exclusive to the "Garth Brooks" crowd.

or to ireland

keith16 wrote: »

I was at Arcade Fire on Sunday in Marlay park and saw plenty of people off their faces.

it can happen, its not nice, but thats how people act, nothing you can do will stop it, those who don't get up to such nonsense won't, and those who will will no matter what.

keith16 wrote: »

Any type of music event is going to attract anti-social behaviour. It's an all day event, people literally go drinking all day and it's not nice.

exactly, but its not unique to here no matter how much some like to make it out to be the case.

keith16 wrote: »

This more than anything I think is what the residents have a problem with and that is perfectly understandable.

theres a lot more to it then this, there really is

keith16 wrote: »

I would love to see a day in Ireland when public displays of outrageous drunkenness become socially unacceptable.

socially unacceptable? anything that is "socially unacceptable" is bassically things that people pretend they find unacceptable because they feel they hav to because others do when really they do find it perfectly okay, so no thanks i think the simple concept of right and wrong will do.

hynesie08 · 03-07-2014 05:30PM

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

you've been posting here for ages. Surely at this stage, you would understand that not a single outdoor event in Ireland is ever sold with a license. They are all 'subject to license'.

round and round and round.........

I understand that, but why has everybody looked the other way on this? It clearly states it's against the law so why gas nothing been done? People can spout "subject to license" all they want but something like this was always gonna happen eventually. Sad thing is it wouldn't even be that hard to implement.

Jamsiek · 03-07-2014 05:30PM

John.Icy wrote: »

No sympathy for residents who chose to live by Croke Park.

No sympathy with the GAA either.
Delighted for the residents, 3 gigs is a fair compromise

redt0m · 03-07-2014 05:33PM

Don't know why he couldn't have done what Springsteen did last year and spread the economic boost around 4 or 5 places around the country.

Penn · 03-07-2014 05:33PM

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

you've been posting here for ages. Surely at this stage, you would understand that not a single outdoor event in Ireland is ever sold with a license. They are all 'subject to license'.

round and round and round.........

Agreed. The difference is however most of those events are always quite likely to go ahead. Given that the additional concerts were outside of the GAA's agreement with the local residents and they didn't try to make a deal with the residents, plus two of them were on weekdays, the additional concerts would have to have been considered unlikely to go ahead.

anncoates · 03-07-2014 05:35PM

end of the road wrote: »

which they should turn around and refuse to pay,

I've no doubt.

Have Thomas Davis/Dublin County board paid the costs yet from their aborted attempt to screw over Shamrock Rovers and SDCC?

Sponge25 · 03-07-2014 05:35PM

I'm not exactly sure how many concerts are going on or anything but these people have to get up for work in the morning. Ya know how bad it is when there's a loud session/party next door that goes on till 4-5am and you've to get up at 6 and ya get about an hour or two of half sleep.

I have sympathy for them anyways. GAA games, fair enough. They're all during the day and I heard the majority of them don't mind an event during the day but all events should seize at about 10:30 or so so the residents can go to sleep for work.

end of the road · 03-07-2014 05:36PM

Picasso711 wrote: »

Very badly organized but I think some agreement should be reached so that fans can get to their gigs as it is not their fault. After this the residence are hen treated properly and the organizers of Croke Park stick to the quota every year or else receive a massive fine.

which they should refuse to pay, the GAA don't have to pay any and would be right not to pay any fines for having extra gigs, croke park is a large venue known world wide and should be used to its full potential so i would support the GAA refusing to pay any fines for using it

Jamsiek · 03-07-2014 05:37PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Much and all as I hate garths music its better than that 'upyourownhole' shyte that U2 blare out.

Why is this relevant? It's still crap

Sponge25 · 03-07-2014 05:40PM

Put it like this. If I moved in next door to you and start having sessions with about 50 people and the music blaring half the time would you be happy?

frostyjacks · 03-07-2014 05:42PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

An offer for what? The licenses have been refused, that's the end of those 2 nights.

It's amazing what a truckload of cash can do.

Kaizersoze81 · 03-07-2014 05:44PM

Sponge25 wrote: »

Put it like this. If I moved in next door to you and start having sessions with about 50 people and the music blaring half the time would you be happy?

If I moved somewhere , knowing that this was going to happen, then I would have no right to complain.

end of the road · 03-07-2014 05:45PM

Sponge25 wrote: »

I'm not exactly sure how many concerts are going on or anything but these people have to get up for work in the morning. Ya know how bad it is when there's a loud session/party next door that goes on till 4-5am and you've to get up at 6 and ya get about an hour or two of half sleep.

I have sympathy for them anyways. GAA games, fair enough. They're all during the day and I heard the majority of them don't mind an event during the day but all events should seize at about 10:30 or so so the residents can go to sleep for work.

these concerts will end around 10 11, when most people go to bed anyway

jam_mac_jam · 03-07-2014 05:45PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

It's amazing what a truckload of cash can do.

It's not up to the residents anyway and there are thousands of them. .. You are going to need a big truck . It's not happening

end of the road · 03-07-2014 05:48PM

Sponge25 wrote: »

Put it like this. If I moved in next door to you and start having sessions with about 50 people and the music blaring half the time would you be happy?

no comparison in fairness, croke park is a large stadium which everyone in the country knows exists and knows holds events and needs to get licences to do so over a certain amount

secman · 03-07-2014 05:51PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

It's amazing what a truckload of cash can do.

Nothing to do with cash, DCC are well aware that there is a pending problem . When the GAA got their pp for the re building of the stadium and permission to run concerts, the petmission was conditional ... 3 concerts per annum. This was flouted by GAA and Aiken. Hence the residents are applying to the High Court for an injunction to stop the concerts as the qouta for this year has been used. The High Court will issue a ruling, this will almost certainly go to the Supreme court or possibly the newly apppinted 2nd level court (unsure of its title and if its been officially set up yet) . This will then set it in stone and it can never be flouted again.

Jamsiek · 03-07-2014 05:53PM

stooge wrote: »

if the fri/sat/sun gigs do go ahead, you would hope that concertgoers dont do anything stupid to residents houses/property as a form of retaliation. Enough bad publicity already for the GAA and aiken.

They would be playing into the residents' hands if they did that.
The residents have had enough hassle already.

Psychobabble · 03-07-2014 05:56PM

I feel sympathy for fans who bought tickets in good faith. However, I do not believe that the 'might is right' argument can be used. In a civil society there are checks and balances to ensure that the rights of a minority are not trampled on.
DCC has made a very difficult decision, trying to balance the rights and desires of many. It is probably not surprising that this decision has been made, given that Kieran Mulvey, as an objective mediator, noted that, "These events caused inconvenience and disruption and have been increased disproportionately by the holding of eight concerts and an external sporting event in one year." Pauric Duffy, GAA Director General, has also accepted that, "Five concerts is too many this year."
The argument that the Stadium was there before residents has been tried many times, but in planning terms, that doesn't hold water; just because I bought my home before my neighbour, it doesn't give me the right to erect a four storey extension over looking them, for example. The planning laws and systems are there to provide a proper arbiter of these issues.
In some respects, there are no winners here, as it still takes the same time to build and dismantle the stage. Hopefully this whole mess will lead to improvements in the whole Events Licence process in future, so that such a debacle can never occur again.

03-07-2014 05:57PM

keith16 wrote: »

Correct decision IMO. This wouldn't be such a big deal if this country in general didn't have such problems with alcohol

Not this crap again.

keith16 wrote: »

I think the GAA crowd is slightly different. Any massive concert / event like Garth Brooks are a one off, but the football / hurling is on every year. And the game / time in the stadium is much shorter. And people tend to disperse more quickly after the games - heading home or whatever.

Well on match days I've queued outside Quinns from around 11am with literally thousands more and drank there, in the stadium and then back to Quinns or other pubs in the area until 8 or 9 at night along with thousands more so its not true to say that big games don't offer up a similar set of circumstances and I've never seen any trouble or hassle whatsoever.

Tarzana · 03-07-2014 05:58PM

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

you've been posting here for ages. Surely at this stage, you would understand that not a single outdoor event in Ireland is ever sold with a license. They are all 'subject to license'.

round and round and round.........

And this incident might bring about changes in this, seems like it's just tolerated for some reason. But this has caused hassle for a lot of people so could change things.

ThisRegard · 03-07-2014 06:01PM

The most amazing thing about this thread is that after almost 4,500 posts some people still think local residents cancelled the two concerts, and that the revenue from them was enough to pay off the countries debts, which Brooks was kindly going to donate all to the state as he was doing it for a freebie.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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