Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Cienciano · 03-07-2014 04:54PM

one of Europe’s finest concert venues

LOL!

hynesie08 · 03-07-2014 04:56PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Punchestown seem eager to hold the concerts: Have seen AC/DC there and it's certainly suitable. Similar crowd capacity also.

I like that statement, "if we were allowed hold the concerts we would but, eh, we're not so......yeah"

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 03-07-2014 04:56PM

end of the road wrote: »

they didn't ignore residents concerns, they just didn't pay out

The offered. It was declined. Did you not read that bit?

they weren't "standing up for themselves their homes and families" they wanted to dictate to a business how and when it can make money even though they had opportunities to not get themselves into such a situation but chose to anyway by deciding to live near the stadium and or not objecting to its re-development, the GAA and promotors weren't greedy

The residents stated what the wanted numerous times. The agreed a compromise in 2009. Did you not read that bit?

Most businesses get dictated to when they can and can not make money - it's called "law".

no, they don't want croke park to be used unless they get some of the proffits themselves

They turned down the profit. Again. Did you not read that bit?

CROKE PARK RESIDENTS DON'T WANT MONEY.

Again - do you read anything? You make the same point over and over again, it gets comprehensively and repetedly refuted, you make the same post again and again, it gets comprehensively and repeatedly refuted, and et here we are... Again....

anncoates · 03-07-2014 04:56PM

nm wrote: »

Or the 'agreement' should be done away with and Croke Park used whenever it's required, like most stadiums in the world.

I have no idea if overuse of stadia located in dense residential conurbations without due regard for residents is par for the course in "most stadia in the world" and neither, I suspect, do you.

Muahahaha · 03-07-2014 04:57PM

Faolchu wrote: »

I may be wrong but I dont think they can. with normal planning permision applications yes ABP is the next step but this is an events license so i think teh only next step is court

If that's the case and it ends up in the High Court then the GAA could be in even more hot water. They might have got some sympathy from An Bord Pleanala but I doubt they'll get much sympathy in the High Court if an injunction is applied for.

Even if they do the residents can then appeal to the Supreme Court. The current line up of judges in the Supreme Court are like zealots when it comes to protecting people's property rights, as seen by recent decisions such as Lissadell House. If the residents go all the way to the Supreme Court then they will have their cases decided by judges who couldn't care less about the GAA and who are notoriously against people's property rights being infringed upon. If this does end up in the Supreme Court my bet is that all five concerts will be cancelled and the judiciary will deliver a strong rebuke to the GAA. They'll be laughing about it over gin and tonics in Portmarnock Golf Club afterwards :pac:

nxbyveromdwjpg · 03-07-2014 04:59PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I will, find me someone flying in and out of Ireland on just the one day and I'll gladly point it out.

Flying in for a week with a ticket to one gig, it's not that hard to wrap your head around surely.

Done it myself plenty of times, never had one cancelled due to the country pandering to few hundred moaning residents though thankfully.

Un Croissant · 03-07-2014 04:59PM

How many people live in the area affected? Like traffic/parking wise? Approximately. How many tickets are they offered?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 03-07-2014 05:00PM

nm wrote: »

Or the 'agreement' should be done away with and Croke Park used whenever it's required, like most stadiums in the world.

That was what happened prior to 2009. How did it pan out?

Cienciano · 03-07-2014 05:00PM

nm wrote: »

Flying in for a week with a ticket to one gig, it's not that hard to wrap your head around surely.

Done it myself plenty of times, never had one cancelled due to the country pandering to few hundred moaning residents though thankfully.

Unless you can give us a source with numbers, your argument is pointless.
Not that hard to wrap your head around that surely :pac:

derokid · 03-07-2014 05:01PM

Excellent news...
End of the Road... There you go 2 down 3 more to go
C'mon the residents...!!!

Monumental screw up from CP, Mr McKenna marketeer of the year 2013 to LOSER of the year 2014...

This is heading to the courts and only one loser... Croke Park!!!

Tarzana · 03-07-2014 05:01PM

nm wrote: »

Or the 'agreement' should be done away with and Croke Park used whenever it's required, like most stadiums in the world.

Are you in the know about the planning regs for stadia worldwide?

Jesus Wept · 03-07-2014 05:01PM

It's Gareth I feel sorry for in all of this. What sort of message does this send to him.

hynesie08 · 03-07-2014 05:02PM

nm wrote: »

Flying in for a week with a ticket to one gig, it's not that hard to wrap your head around surely.

Done it myself plenty of times, never had one cancelled due to the country pandering to few hundred moaning residents though thankfully.

Grand so, they can just go on ticketmaster and buy a Sunday ticket, problem solved.

Jamsiek · 03-07-2014 05:02PM

end of the road wrote: »

its not "proper order" croke park would have been legitimately within their rights to host the 5 if they wanted to, still, the residents failed to stop the lot

They didn't want to stop the lot
You could say that your side failed to have 5 concerts go ahead
It's a good compromise IMO but I feel bad for some of the people losing out.

Thoie · 03-07-2014 05:03PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

this is the agreement i meant should be changed, so if you go to buy a house there you are made aware by the seller that concerts will be happening as booked and there are no limits on how many there can be.

you know in a kind of "oh yeah one more thing you may not have noticed that huge stadium just there, but just so you know concerts and games happen there, and it can involve restrictions in the area, i hope thats not a problem"

That would be the second option I listed below. If the GAA wants to hold more concerts, they need to come to a new agreement with the residents. Once there is a new agreement in place, then anyone buying there from then on can be made aware of it. As it stands, people living there fall into one of two camps - either they bought before concerts were ever in question, or they bought with the knowledge that the agreement allowed 3 concerts a year.

Whatever the current agreement is, is what buyers will expect, unless the GAA can arrange a new agreement. You can't force sellers to tell new buyers "unlimited concerts" when that's not what is agreed. Why would a seller do that? Who would force the seller to do that? The only way for that to happen is the first option I listed, which is for the GAA to buy all the houses - then they can sell them with that caveat in place.

Thoie wrote: »

If the GAA want to go ahead with Croke Park as a major concert venue, they have two options:
1. Buy up all the houses in the surrounding area and then rent them out with a condition about unlimited concerts;
2. Try and reach a new agreement with the residents - before they start selling tickets for anything.

end of the road · 03-07-2014 05:04PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

as things stand the residents are now entitled to appeal the current decision to An Bord Pleanala who are already on record as stating that three concerts a year is preferable. In the event that ABP cannot make a decision in time before July 24th the residents can instead go to the High Court and try to get an injunction against the GAA to stop them holding any of the concerts. That's within their legal and democratic rights, the same rights that all of us have as citizens.

which if they do i hope the GAA pull any investment from the area and bann residents from using any GAA facilities. after all if the few hardcore residents want to play then the GAA can also.

Muahahaha wrote: »

It's the GAA who brought this mess upon themselves

no, a few hardcore residents who have a vendetta against the GAA in general made a song and dance over a stadium they didn't have to live beside or who's re-development they could have objected to being used more.

Muahahaha wrote: »

they've been served a little bit of comeuppance this afternoon.

not at all, they got the majority of concerts.

Muahahaha wrote: »

There was a way to deal with this through dialogue right back last Feburary when the concerts were being planned.

the GAA tried, the hardcore wouldn't listen to what the GAA had to say, they were never going to be happy or agree with anything the GAA did or proposed.

Muahahaha wrote: »

They didn't do that

they did

Muahahaha wrote: »

the community is up in arms at the treatment and attitude shown towards them.

no, a few residents are.

Muahahaha wrote: »

I don't blame them for one minute

why, you live beside a large stadium what do you expect.

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think most people would feel the exact same if a large organisation or company tried to trample over their rights in the same way.

the GAA didn't trample over their rights or even try to

Penn · 03-07-2014 05:04PM

i heart chewy louie wrote: »

It's Gareth I feel sorry for in all of this. What sort of message does this send to him.

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nxbyveromdwjpg · 03-07-2014 05:06PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Unless you can give us a source with numbers, your argument is pointless.
Not that hard to wrap your head around that surely :pac:

I was giving an example in reply to a suggestion by another poster that it would all be grand sure they can go sight-seeing, and no money to the economy will be lost whatsoever and no one will mind. Hardly a pointless argument.

When 140,000 people post proof of their travel plans to me I'll let you know though.

Picasso711 · 03-07-2014 05:06PM

Very badly organized but I think some agreement should be reached so that fans can get to their gigs as it is not their fault. After this the residence are hen treated properly and the organizers of Croke Park stick to the quota every year or else receive a massive fine.

frostyjacks · 03-07-2014 05:07PM

Everyone has their price. This is great brinkmanship from the residents, as much as i hate to see a handful of nimbys dictating to tens of thousands of concert goers. Promoters will eventually make them an offer they can't refuse.

Reformed Character · 03-07-2014 05:07PM

end of the road wrote: »

which if they do i hope the GAA pull any investment from the area and bann residents from using any GAA facilities. after all if the few hardcore residents want to play then the GAA can also.

no, a few hardcore residents who have a vendetta against the GAA in general made a song and dance over a stadium they didn't have to live beside or who's re-development they could have objected to being used more.

not at all, they got the majority of concerts.

the GAA tried, the hardcore wouldn't listen to what the GAA had to say, they were never going to be happy or agree with anything the GAA did or proposed.

they did

no, a few residents are.

why, you live beside a large stadium what do you expect.

the GAA didn't trample over their rights or even try to

A post truly wordy for an award for lies, misrepresentations, inaccuracy, and búl****!

uch · 03-07-2014 05:08PM

nm wrote: »

I was giving an example in reply to a suggestion by another poster that it would all be grand sure they can go sight-seeing, and no money to the economy will be lost whatsoever and no one will mind. Hardly a pointless argument.

When 140,000 people post proof of their travel plans to me I'll let you know though.

Do you think any of them 140000 might be from Ireland or Dublin by any chance ?

nxbyveromdwjpg · 03-07-2014 05:09PM

uch wrote: »

Do you think any of them 140000 might be from Ireland or Dublin by any chance ?

Yea, most of them. Why? Did you miss the point?

Or do you think they won't mind at all? Or wouldn't have spent any money? or what?

hynesie08 · 03-07-2014 05:10PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

Everyone has their price. This is great brinkmanship from the residents, as much as i hate to see a handful of nimbys dictating to tens of thousands of concert goers. Promoters will eventually make them an offer they can't refuse.

An offer for what? The licenses have been refused, that's the end of those 2 nights.

Tarzana · 03-07-2014 05:10PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

Everyone has their price. This is great brinkmanship from the residents, as much as i hate to see a handful of nimbys dictating to tens of thousands of concert goers. Promoters will eventually make them an offer they can't refuse.

It's not up to the residents.

end of the road · 03-07-2014 05:11PM

anncoates wrote: »

Fine the promoters and the GAA 500k each

which they should turn around and refuse to pay, you can't fine someone for doing nothing wrong, such fine would be illegitimate as the GAA did what was legally required of them.

anncoates wrote: »

from 2016, enter a binding agreement with residents for the number of concerts allowed per year.

no, the GAA should on all terms refuse to do as such, the residents aren't entitled to any binding agreement from the GAA, the objections at the licence application is enough for them. only the planning agreement should be binding which it is and the GAA sticks to it

Cienciano · 03-07-2014 05:11PM

nm wrote: »

I was giving an example in reply to a suggestion by another poster that it would all be grand sure they can go sight-seeing, and no money to the economy will be lost whatsoever and no one will mind. Hardly a pointless argument.

When 140,000 people post proof of their travel plans to me I'll let you know though.

Good, and until then stop prending that there's loads of people from abroad coming to the concert.

Sheeps · 03-07-2014 05:12PM

They should cancel the remaining 3 nights too. Gareth Brooks is ****e!

nxbyveromdwjpg · 03-07-2014 05:12PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

i hate to see a handful of nimbys dictating to tens of thousands of concert goers. .

This above is it in a nutshell, apart from providing this great thread I'm not a fan and neither would I have gone to the gigs but the line above is everything really.

Figerty · 03-07-2014 05:13PM

derokid wrote: »

Excellent news...
End of the Road... There you go 2 down 3 more to go
C'mon the residents...!!!

Monumental screw up from CP, Mr McKenna marketeer of the year 2013 to LOSER of the year 2014...

This is heading to the courts and only one loser... Croke Park!!!

There are 160,000 losers in this. There are businesses and hotels are losers.
Croke park have lost two concerts, Dublin has lost a lot more.

It should never have gotten this far. All that will happen from now on is Concerts will move to other locations.. New Parc Ui Choimh, Thurles etc...

GAA will still make money.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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