Unpopular GAA opinions you hold

Hulk Hands · 28-06-2014 11:02PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I cannot of one player (no matter how good they were) that did not have a bad match at some stage in their career.

I can never remember Sean Marty Lockhart, Seamus Moynihan, Tomas Mannion or even Tomas O'Se being taken to the cleaners (and O'Se was to a massive extent on occasion). An excellent player but if we're going to place him amongst the best of all time, those are the standards we must hold him to.

donnem33 · 28-06-2014 11:10PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

I can never remember Sean Marty Lockhart, Seamus Moynihan, Tomas Mannion or even Tomas O'Se being taken to the cleaners (and O'Se was to a massive extent on occasion). An excellent player but if we're going to place him amongst the best of all time, those are the standards we must hold him to.

Tomas Mannion was destroyed in the match against Roscommon in Tuam in 2001. That performance prompted his move to centre back where he excelled for the year. Tomas O se has ben sent off on numerous occasions.

rockbeast · 28-06-2014 11:16PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

That is not true. You need to be able to read the game. Know whether to stay on your man when he goes roaming around the field, know when to burst forward in support of your team-mates, know when to drop back to help out your defence. With positions not meaning what they used to, having a sharp brain knowing to do the right thing at the right time is probably more important than ever.

I am physically fit and am able to hand pass the ball. But I do not possess the sharpness to survive on a football pitch.

Correct.

Watch some of those lads play college or club football under a different manager than at county level and you'll see a totally different skillset on display.

The multiple handpass style of "play" came in, IMO, as a percentage-based, low-risk tactic to navigate through rounds in AI when essentially one mistake and your out.

This was particularly relevant in Ulster due to a tougher, again IMO, provincial competition so it's no surprise to me it's current style originated from there.

6/7 months training and effort for what could be one game?

I know, I know, there's the back-door, qualifiers route but a week in football is a very short turnaround time if you haven't a great squad and you have trained to play, and have played, a high-intensity game the previous week...

Fireball07 · 28-06-2014 11:16PM

Don't know if it counts as being destroyed, but Tomás O'Sé had to resort to some really bad cynical play against Stephen Kelly in 2010, one of the worst displays of cynical fouling I've ever seen against one individual player.

Hulk Hands · 28-06-2014 11:23PM

donnem33 wrote: »

Tomas Mannion was destroyed in the match against Roscommon in Tuam in 2001. That performance prompted his move to centre back where he excelled for the year. Tomas O se has ben sent off on numerous occasions.

Nonsense, Tomas was switched because Galway didnt have a CB at the time and it was a massive hole in the defense. I dont even think he was on Frankie that day when Frankie got the goal. Probably not his finest day (none played well that day bar John Don iirc) but certainly not destroyed. By that stage he was aging anyway and had lost his pace, key for a corner back

keane2097 · 28-06-2014 11:27PM

Moynihan was tattooed plenty of times.

Hulk Hands · 28-06-2014 11:34PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Moynihan was tattooed plenty of times.

I know you're a Kerryman so i'm not going to question it. Interested to hear when though? Karl Lacey in 98 perhaps? My abiding memory of him is marshalling Joyce well, getting the better of a youthful McConville after an early scare, and taking Geraghty out of it once. He wasn't a natural FB either

megadodge · 28-06-2014 11:48PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Nonsense, Tomas was switched because Galway didnt have a CB at the time and it was a massive hole in the defense. I dont even think he was on Frankie that day when Frankie got the goal. Probably not his finest day (none played well that day bar John Don iirc) but certainly not destroyed. By that stage he was aging anyway and had lost his pace, key for a corner back

You're the one talking nonsense.

I'm a Roscommon man and I remember after that game thinking that was an awful way for such a great career to end - with regard to Mannion. I always admired him and yes he was a great player, but after the roasting he got from Nigel Dineen that day (who also scored a goal and won virtually every one of the frequent balls coming into him) I thought we'd never see Mannion play for Galway again - and I wasn't the only one. The change to centre-back was out of necessity as Galway didn't have one at the time and it turned out to be a master-stroke, but was regarded as a desperate move at the time due to how bad Mannion was in that game.

Padraig Joyce scored 6 points from play that day and was outstanding, so your memory isn't all that good.

The original poster's point that no player has never had a bad match is 100% correct and it's foolish of you to think otherwise. The great ones just have less bad matches than the rest.

Hulk Hands · 28-06-2014 11:59PM

megadodge wrote: »

The original poster's point that no player has never had a bad match is 100% correct and it's foolish of you to think otherwise. The great ones just have less bad matches than the rest.

I'll take that on board and get out the tape and have a look at that game when im next home. Not how I remember it but maybe my memory of 12 years ago isnt so great. As a Ros man, theres one game your certainly going to remember and cherish anyway.

This is one example though at the tail end of a players career at corner back and in general. When I said I never remembered, I didnt state as fact that it never happened. I could immediately think of 3 examples for O'Se (in his prime) without putting much effort in. I'm sure there's some for each player named, as there are more for O'Se also. Anyway, thread for unpopular opinions its called so dissent is to be expected

megadodge · 29-06-2014 12:02AM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

I'll take that on board and get out the tape and have a look at that game when im next home. Not how I remember it but maybe my memory of 12 years ago isnt so great. As a Ros man, theres one game your certainly going to remember and cherish anyway.

This is one example though at the tail end of a players career at corner back and in general. When I said I never remembered, I didnt state as fact that it never happened. I could immediately think of 3 examples for O'Se (in his prime) without putting much effort in. I'm sure there's some for each player named, as there are more for O'Se also. Anyway, thread for unpopular opinions its called so dissent is to be expected

Actually if you do have a tape, I'd be very interested in accessing it. I've never seen that game in full, as I was at it and never saw any full recording other than highlights on the Sunday Game. It's still IMO the best Roscommon performance I ever saw and that includes All-Irl semi v Armagh in 1980 and League Final in 1979 and League (quarter or semi) v Dublin in 1990.

Hulk Hands · 29-06-2014 12:07AM

megadodge wrote: »

Actually if you do have a tape, I'd be very interested in accessing it. I've never seen that game in full, as I was at it and never saw any full recording other than highlights on the Sunday Game. It's still IMO the best Roscommon performance I ever saw and that includes All-Irl semi v Armagh in 1980 and League Final in 1979.

I think I have one of every game from that period 97-03 or so, I used to make a habit of recording them. Ill have a look when i'm home, mightnt be for a month or so.

From the short youtube video of the game online it seems like he was marking Dolan, which would make us both wrong. Dinnen goal had nothing to do with him. He was static for Frankie's alright

ciarriaithuaidh · 29-06-2014 12:08AM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

I know you're a Kerryman so i'm not going to question it. Interested to hear when though? Karl Lacey in 98 perhaps? My abiding memory of him is marshalling Joyce well, getting the better of a youthful McConville after an early scare, and taking Geraghty out of it once. He wasn't a natural FB either

The 2000 Semi final Replay was a fantastic game and epitomised by the Moynihan v McConville batte. McConville scored 1-9, 1-2 from play but Moynihan had a fantastic game (sounds weird even typing that, but I was there and have the tape also!) and by the end of extra time the Pony was actually well on top.

Moynihan struggled at fullback 2-3 times that I remember, against Colin Corkery in a couple of games in Munster, and in the 2002 final against Ronan Clarke. He never played fullback in his life until 2000 though and won POTY and lifted Sam that year...what a man!

rockbeast · 29-06-2014 03:34AM

Kilkenny and Kerry were the the most successful teams of the '00s

Neither will be remembered for having the best All Ireland win of the decade.

Both teams were as dirty as dust when things didn't go their way.

cul beag · 29-06-2014 05:51AM

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

The 2000 Semi final Replay was a fantastic game and epitomised by the Moynihan v McConville batte. McConville scored 1-9, 1-2 from play but Moynihan had a fantastic game (sounds weird even typing that, but I was there and have the tape also!) and by the end of extra time the Pony was actually well on top.

Moynihan struggled at fullback 2-3 times that I remember, against Colin Corkery in a couple of games in Munster, and in the 2002 final against Ronan Clarke. He never played fullback in his life until 2000 though and won POTY and lifted Sam that year...what a man!

Why was he called the pony? Great player by the way.

robbiezero · 29-06-2014 08:18AM

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

The 2000 Semi final Replay was a fantastic game and epitomised by the Moynihan v McConville batte. McConville scored 1-9, 1-2 from play but Moynihan had a fantastic game (sounds weird even typing that, but I was there and have the tape also!) and by the end of extra time the Pony was actually well on top.

Moynihan struggled at fullback 2-3 times that I remember, against Colin Corkery in a couple of games in Munster, and in the 2002 final against Ronan Clarke. He never played fullback in his life until 2000 though and won POTY and lifted Sam that year...what a man!

2002 final is the one I remember him struggling on Ronan Clarke too.

To me Marc O'Se would have been an ideal wing back, but needs must for Kerry. He was too much of a footballer to play in the full back line. It is nearly impossible to mark the likes of Bernard Brogan if he is getting good ball and you are not laying a hand on him before the ball comes in. Kerry never really did sweeper systems. either so no cover.

A hugely underrated back was Tom O Sullivan of Kerry. One of the best defenders of his generation.

Royal Legend · 29-06-2014 08:35AM

That the media touted Peter Canavan as one of the greatest footballers of his generation, yet in my opinion he was cynical and a cheat.

eyescreamcone · 29-06-2014 08:40AM

How come no GAA jerseys have yellow in them?

It's always the blue and gold etc

The worst is the saffron of Antrim haha

Is yellow not allowed in the GAA 

passremarkable · 29-06-2014 08:58AM

Michael dara McCauley is an average footballer that is just extremely fit, don't think he should have got POTY.

Eoin Kelly from tipp was dirty, had a habit of slapping back in contact.

rockbeast · 29-06-2014 09:24AM

passremarkable wrote: »

Michael dara McCauley is an average footballer that is just extremely fit, don't think he should have got POTY.

Eoin Kelly from tipp was dirty, had a habit of slapping back in contact.

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You're an average poster that types fast...;)

passremarkable · 29-06-2014 09:45AM

rockbeast wrote: »

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You're an average poster that types fast...;)

Cheers ðŸ˜႒

nice_guy80 · 29-06-2014 09:54AM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

How come no GAA jerseys have yellow in them?

It's always the blue and gold etc

The worst is the saffron of Antrim haha

Is yellow not allowed in the GAA 

Roscommon has primrose and blue.
Happy?

CurryFlavoured · 29-06-2014 12:19PM

To be fair I get what he's saying about MD McAuley, but I'd have to ask how many midfielders are genuinely skillful? The vast majority are big, strong, athletic guys who can compete in the middle and have the engine to get up and down the field. Very few midfielders can score from long distance, kick long passes etc.

I don't know how controversial this is, but Tomás O'Sé was a filthy footballer. One of my favourite players to watch and one of the greatest of the last 20+ years, but he got away with a lot. I remember a Kerry v Limerick game a few years back (Munster semi or final, I don't remember, Kerry won by a point of two though), Tomás probably could have picked up 2 or 3 reds that game. He played the full 70 though.

megadodge · 29-06-2014 12:30PM

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

To be fair I get what he's saying about MD McAuley, but I'd have to ask how many midfielders are genuinely skillful? The vast majority are big, strong, athletic guys who can compete in the middle and have the engine to get up and down the field. Very few midfielders can score from long distance, kick long passes etc.

I don't know how controversial this is, but Tomás O'Sé was a filthy footballer. One of my favourite players to watch and one of the greatest of the last 20+ years, but he got away with a lot. I remember a Kerry v Limerick game a few years back (Munster semi or final, I don't remember, Kerry won by a point of two though), Tomás probably could have picked up 2 or 3 reds that game. He played the full 70 though.

I couldn't agree more. IMO he is the best wing-back I ever saw, but Jesus he got away with an awful lot, especially early in his career. I'll never forget the All-Ireland final replay v Galway in 2000 where he 'marked' Michael Donnellan. I was at the match and ended up watching them as much as the ball. How O'Se stayed on the pitch is something the officials only know. He kicked Donnellan around the pitch so much that the Galway man ended up with a broken ankle and O'Se got a token yellow when the game was virtually over. It was disgusting.

Nidgeweasel · 29-06-2014 01:22PM

passremarkable wrote: »

Michael dara McCauley is an average footballer that is just extremely fit, don't think he should have got POTY.

A donkey.

rockbeast · 29-06-2014 01:29PM

So, two-time All Ireland champion and current player of the year Michael Darragh MacAuley, can you tell us where it all went wrong?

aveytare · 29-06-2014 01:29PM

Royal Legend wrote: »

That the media touted Peter Canavan as one of the greatest footballers of his generation, yet in my opinion he was cynical and a cheat.

As a Tyrone fan I think he got a bit cynical in his later years though he was on the receiving end of a lot of dirty play so I don't know really. Like he gets a lot of criticism for pulling down the Gooch at the end of 2005 final but he was dragged around for a good bit by Tom O'Sullivan in the first half during a bit of a scuffle (trying to get Canavan to react I think and it's on youtube so I'm not just talking out of my ****) so it's probably six of one half of dozen of another. Maybe he should've pulled down Tom O'Sullivan instead

Not trying to start a row with the Kerry ones!

I suppose his run-in with Meath as well might've had an effect on him too

Nidgeweasel · 29-06-2014 01:32PM

robbiezero wrote: »

2002 final is the one I remember him struggling on Ronan Clarke too.

To me Marc O'Se would have been an ideal wing back, but needs must for Kerry. He was too much of a footballer to play in the full back line. It is nearly impossible to mark the likes of Bernard Brogan if he is getting good ball and you are not laying a hand on him before the ball comes in. Kerry never really did sweeper systems. either so no cover.

A hugely underrated back was Tom O Sullivan of Kerry. One of the best defenders of his generation.

I always liked Mike Mac.

thesultan · 29-06-2014 03:05PM

Peter McKenna is ruling the roast in Croke Park and money is his only interest.

We haven't had a decent president in ages.

The Garth Brooks concerts and one direction concerts revenue will result in no money going to clubs.

Cork always get the rub of the green.

The opening of Croke Park have rugby a promotion they could only dream of.

Croke park talk about club players but its only that talk, they don't generate anything.

Royal Legend · 29-06-2014 03:10PM

aveytare wrote: »

As a Tyrone fan I think he got a bit cynical in his later years though he was on the receiving end of a lot of dirty play so I don't know really. Like he gets a lot of criticism for pulling down the Gooch at the end of 2005 final but he was dragged around for a good bit by Tom O'Sullivan in the first half during a bit of a scuffle (trying to get Canavan to react I think and it's on youtube so I'm not just talking out of my ****) so it's probably six of one half of dozen of another. Maybe he should've pulled down Tom O'Sullivan instead Not trying to start a row with the Kerry ones!

I suppose his run-in with Meath as well might've had an effect on him too

He was at it in that game as well. he fell to the ground holding his head trying to get Darren Fay into trouble early in that game, (trying to get Fay sent off, no other way to describe it) he got what he deserved shortly afterwards, yet ever since his supporters play him as the victim. by the way, he has admitted since he retired that he cheated.

megadodge · 29-06-2014 03:15PM

thesultan wrote: »

Peter McKenna is ruling the roast in Croke Park and money is his only interest.

Never a truer word spoken. The man doesn't give a damn about sport or the GAA, all he's interested in is generating income. He's also a proven liar (as seen on Prime Time, where he just shrugged it off when confronted with evidence that he lied - no chance of an apology there).

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