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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭ciarriaithuaidh


    I haven't said that footballers are less skilful, but if you count number of skills within the game of hurling and compare it to the number of skills you have to master in football, there is three times as many on the hurling list.

    Hurling:
    - Hook
    - Block
    - Lift
    - Strike on the run
    - Solo
    - High catch
    - Handpass
    - Control with hurley
    - Flick up with hurley into hand.
    - Doubling on the sliotar.
    - Sideline cut
    What have I forgotten..not a lot anyway.

    Football:
    - Handpass
    - High catch
    - Soloing (solo in stride, done properly is damn hard to master.)
    - Flick up into hands on run.
    - Shooting on the run
    - Block down.
    - Flick ball away from opponent mid-hop/mid-solo.
    - Fisted/flicked goal/point (or knocking the ball down to a team/mate)
    - Kickpassing (actually several variants, punt pass/outside of the boot, instep etc..)
    - Free from the ground
    etc etc..

    Forgive my disagreement, but I think you are grossly exaggerating and there is not anywhere near 3 times the skill or skills to master in hurling..Given the tone of your comment I doubt we'll ever agree on the matter,so it may be a waste of time saying so, I don't know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Nidgeweasel


    Ladies football is hard to watch.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭rockbeast


    Ladies football is hard to watch.

    Always reminds me of the Special Olympics :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭curraghyid


    The national anthem being played/sang before every game does not add to the occasion and should be consigned to the past.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    Hurling:
    - Hook
    - Block
    - Lift
    - Strike on the run
    - Solo
    - High catch
    - Handpass
    - Control with hurley
    - Flick up with hurley into hand.
    - Doubling on the sliotar.
    - Sideline cut
    What have I forgotten..not a lot anyway.

    Football:
    - Handpass
    - High catch
    - Soloing (solo in stride, done properly is damn hard to master.)
    - Flick up into hands on run.
    - Shooting on the run
    - Block down.
    - Flick ball away from opponent mid-hop/mid-solo.
    - Fisted/flicked goal/point (or knocking the ball down to a team/mate)
    - Kickpassing (actually several variants, punt pass/outside of the boot, instep etc..)
    - Free from the ground
    etc etc..

    Forgive my disagreement, but I think you are grossly exaggerating and there is not anywhere near 3 times the skill or skills to master in hurling..Given the tone of your comment I doubt we'll ever agree on the matter,so it may be a waste of time saying so, I don't know.

    Discussed this in the thread previously.

    Football is becoming less skillful by the day.

    If your physically fit and can handpass a ball, your good enough to play football these days. Many players rarely kick a ball during a game of FOOTball.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    djPSB wrote: »
    Discussed this in the thread previously.

    Football is becoming less skillful by the day.

    If your physically fit and can handpass a ball, your good enough to play football these days. Many players rarely kick a ball during a game of FOOTball.

    Matt Gallagher won an all ireland medal in 1992 by not once kicking the ball in the final.

    If you were physically fit in any era it was a big advantage and to be fair a large amount of kicking was not really kick passing the were lots of kicks down the field but not what I would describe as kick passes.

    Kicking the ball down the field in the hope of someone winning a 50/50 ball is not what most people consider to be a kick pass. Kick passing is kicking the ball directly to somebody so that they are almost certain to retain possession.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    rockbeast wrote: »
    Always reminds me of the Special Olympics :eek:

    The Special Paralympics ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    adrian522 wrote: »
    1992

    Well besides that year. In 2003 and 2004 he didn't score.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ladies football is hard to watch.

    I agree
    I think its the fact that you see less long range shooting, the ball is carried into defenses a lot more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Prop Joe


    Peter Canavan was a great player but nowhere near the top 5 forwards of the last 20 years


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    If Kerry was in Ulster and before backdoors they wouldnt have won as many All Irelands in football. Ulster is the hardest province to advance IMHO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Nidgeweasel


    I agree
    I think its the fact that you see less long range shooting, the ball is carried into defenses a lot more.

    It's just ****e basically. Really awful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Nidgeweasel


    Amprodude wrote: »
    Ulster is the hardest province to advance IMHO.

    By a country mile.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Prop Joe


    Amprodude wrote: »
    If Kerry/Dublin/Galway/Meath was in Ulster and before backdoors they wouldnt have won as many All Irelands in football. Ulster is the hardest province to advance IMHO.

    FYP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    Backdoor systems should be done away with. It has ruined the game. Your team is not good enough and defeated your out and thats it just like a boxing match. You are knocked out and adios.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    Amprodude wrote: »
    If Kerry was in Ulster and before backdoors they wouldnt have won as many All Irelands in football. Ulster is the hardest province to advance IMHO.

    Surely the fact that its so difficult to advance would have translated into greater all Ireland success. Cavan at one point in their history were winning ulsters for fun.

    If so why are the most successful counties in Ulster Cavan and Down with 5 all irelands a piece.

    Down won three of those in the 60's and Cavan haven't won one since the 1950's


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    Amprodude wrote: »
    Backdoor systems should be done away with. It has ruined the game. Your team is not good enough and defeated your out and thats it just like a boxing match. You are knocked out and adios.


    A fairer system should be introduced whereby teams are guaranteed more than one match


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    Then why are the most successful counties in Ulster Cavan and Down with 5 all irelands a piece.

    Down won three of those in the 60's and Cavan haven't won one since the 1950's

    Bigger Province and more games to get out of Ulster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭ciarriaithuaidh


    Amprodude wrote: »
    Backdoor systems should be done away with. It has ruined the game. Your team is not good enough and defeated your out and thats it just like a boxing match. You are knocked out and adios.

    So you want teams to train for 6 months for 1 game? Makes sense alright. :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,594 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Amprodude wrote: »
    Well besides that year. In 2003 and 2004 he didn't score.

    In fairness he was 33/34 by then. He played his best years when Kilkenny were relatively poor, not progressing out on Leinster quite a lot of the time. His game was about a lot more than his own scores too.

    I don't agree at all that he was over rated, probably the best forward of his generation. This thing about his scores against Cork in finals in a complete red herring.

    There were also some pretty disgraceful stories run in the newspapers in the run up to the 2003 final that would have affected anybody.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    So you want teams to train for 6 months for 1 game? Makes sense alright. :rolleyes:

    Yes. It's the best way. Most teams don't treat it serously now until knockout stages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭ciarriaithuaidh


    Amprodude wrote: »
    Yes. It's the best way. Most teams don't treat it serously now until knockout stages.

    The fact people still hold this view in this day and age is just staggering tbh..You are well out of touch with modern games if you want the level of preparation currently needed for a team to continue and revert to a knockout championship...

    There is no equivalent in any sport I can think of, to the ratio of training:games (championship games..the league is basically a training exercise as we all know) we already have in the GAA at county level..it's way too high, and some people want it to get even worse!:(


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Amprodude wrote: »
    Yes. It's the best way. Most teams don't treat it serously now until knockout stages.

    In football any team with serious All Ireland ambitious want to win their provinces.

    It means that they know their own schedule so its easier to plan plus they avoid the other provincial champs in the QF


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Nidgeweasel


    Canavan was better than the Gooch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    Canavan was better than the Gooch.

    50/50. Hard to seperate both.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    The fact people still hold this view in this day and age is just staggering tbh..You are well out of touch with modern games if you want the level of preparation currently needed for a team to continue and revert to a knockout championship...

    There is no equivalent in any sport I can think of, to the ratio of training:games (championship games..the league is basically a training exercise as we all know) we already have in the GAA at county level..it's way too high, and some people want it to get even worse!:(

    I woulf be in favour of champions league style format.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Nidgeweasel


    Amprodude wrote: »
    50/50. Hard to seperate both.

    It's not though at all. Peter dragged a fairly limited Tyrone side to back to back Ulster titles and within a dodgy decision of an all Ireland.

    His performances for Errigal Ciaran in the same period had to be seen to be believed and they won an ulster championship in 1993 only a few years after their formation.

    Gooch is a brilliant footballer but has been doing it in a phenomenal Kerry side. Canavan was the man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭ciarriaithuaidh


    Amprodude wrote: »
    I woulf be in favour of champions league style format.

    Well then I retract my remarks slightly...Yes, champions league-esque format would be an advance, but the open draw 3 x 11 with no league and the season running from March to September would be much better even. IMO.
    Before anyone asks, there would be designated breaks where club championship games would be played and no championship would be delayed on account of 1/2 players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    I enjoyed reading all those. Ive a few unpopular ones.

    1) The '45 and particularly '65 system in GAA is an absolute joke. It's not right that in hurling and to a lesser extent football, the vast majority of deflected wide balls are automatically turned into a score. Every good u-16 free taker can now put over a '65.

    An Example: A player solos through and a defender bravely dives across his pointed shot with the hurl and deflects the ball wide. The reward for the defenders skill and bravery for stopping a point for the opposition is a near certain point for the opposition. That is utterly ridiculous and I was delighted when a foreigner recently, upon watching hurling for the first time, came to the same conclusion unprompted.

    How to remedy it? Well this suggestion would get laughed out of any pub in rural Ireland, but how about a sideline cut in from the corner flag, similar to soccer? Or even the 21 yard line. Same goes for football.

    2) Hurling is an excellent sport and entertaining as hell. No other sport can provide finishes like the one we had Sunday, yet hurling provides them every year. However, it has its flaws no question. It's too easy to score. In no sport should you be able to score from inside your own half regularly. 3/5ths of the frees awarded on the pitch can be scored directly from. That's a ridiculous ratio.

    We play both Football And Hurling on the same sized pitch. However, the pitch size is perfectly sized for 15v15 football. Its not perfectly sized for Hurling, as the players can simply hit it too far. Its kind of like Golf where courses must be altered as everyone can now hit it longer. In Hurling, hurls and sliothars are continiously becoming more refined to aid distance and accuracy, yet the size of the pitch remains the same. Something may have to be done to standardise and change hurls.

    There is a little to much randomness in hurling. Aimless pucking the ball upfield just looking for distance. Poesssion skirmishes on the ground can 10-20 seconds with multiples players jumping around the same small area trying to gain posession. Who ultimetely gets the ball is somewhat random.

    3) This current Dublin football side is the best we've seen in donkeys years and will be remembered as such. Cluxton has always been an excellent goalie, from long before he started the free taking and kick out experiments. He was an excellent shot stopper from the time he was 20 and always competent in the air.

    4) Kerry were the team of the 00's without question. The won the most by a mile and its only 3 short games where they were outdone tactically in 2 of them, that is stopping everyone from lauding their greatness. The effort Tyrone had to put in to each AI win meant they were spent the following year.

    Two players oft mentioned even on this thread were slightly overrated though. Marc o'se was an excellent footballer but not a 10/10 corner or full back. He simply got compltely roasted on a few occasions (Kelly, Meehan, Brogan once), something which never happned to the very best in history. Daragh o'Se was also a great servant but Cavanagh, McGrane, Walsh and McDermott all got the better of him in big games, a couple to a huge extent.

    Seamus Moynihan and Tomas O'Se were the greatest footballers of that side. Cooper was never the very best forward in the country at any stage, but was always in the top 4/5. Therefore he must go down as the best forward in the past 20 years. Bernard Brogan is probably second tbh, though many dont like him.

    5) Its scary to think how underrated footballers like Emylyn Mulligan, Declan Browne and even Mattie Forde are/were. The simple fact that they were always up against the oppositions best marker (often double marked) and still always made an impact is crazy.

    I cannot of one player (no matter how good they were) that did not have a bad match at some stage in their career.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    djPSB wrote: »
    Discussed this in the thread previously.

    Football is becoming less skillful by the day.

    If your physically fit and can handpass a ball, your good enough to play football these days. Many players rarely kick a ball during a game of FOOTball.

    That is not true. You need to be able to read the game. Know whether to stay on your man when he goes roaming around the field, know when to burst forward in support of your team-mates, know when to drop back to help out your defence. With positions not meaning what they used to, having a sharp brain knowing to do the right thing at the right time is probably more important than ever.

    I am physically fit and am able to hand pass the ball. But I do not possess the sharpness to survive on a football pitch.


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