Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

28-06-2014 09:31AM

How can you say you dont want de Jong because of hat hes done but laud Roy keane as a club great?

Jimmy Iovine · 28-06-2014 09:31AM

Park Ji Sung is getting married soon and this seems to be his wedding invitation - 'The Wedding of Dreams'.

http://m.101greatgoals.com/blog/former-manchester-united-player-park-ji-sungs-wedding-invitation-is-a-shrine-to-old-trafford/

EuropeanSon · 28-06-2014 09:32AM

KH25 wrote: »

What Giggs did was off the field. Same for Terry. It has nothing to do with them as players. Suarez and De Jong did what they did on the pitch. Thats the difference.

If the reason in criticising Suarez is that it sets an awful example and image for the game and marks him out as a bit (a lot) of a cvnt, which I believe it is, then I think what Giggs did essentially does the same thing. Not that anyone can ban him for it of course, FIFA have no business in his private life. I would still think it marks him out as as much of a cvnt though.

The first poster's objection to de Jong and Suarez was that he wouldn't like to see characters as reprehensible as those two in a United shirt. I don't think Giggs is any less of a cvnt than Suarez. De Jong is a different matter entirely.

The_Kew_Tour · 28-06-2014 09:32AM

The lads I was PM during January about Vidal interest would recall I mentioned he wanted CL football.

Of course the situation is different now with Top Class manager.

Hopefully this will sway him.

If he does come we can thank Moyes as he will have made the move.

EuropeanSon · 28-06-2014 09:34AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Thanks. How is it pedantic? We're comparing their 'crimes'. I've classed them in a quite basic manner.

I wasn't exactly comparing their crimes, you see. I was comparing how reprehensible they are as characters, which is slightly different.

For example, Zidane's crime in 2006 was worse than Suarez, but Suarez is a far more reprehensible character, because Zidane at least had the mitigating factor of an apparent provocation.

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 28-06-2014 09:34AM

Have sky announced there fixtures yet?

adox · 28-06-2014 09:36AM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

If the reason in criticising Suarez is that it sets an awful example and image for the game and marks him out as a bit (a lot) of a cvnt, which I believe it is, then I think what Giggs did essentially does the same thing. Not that anyone can ban him for it of course, FIFA have no business in his private life. I would still think it marks him out as as much of a cvnt though.

The first poster's objection to de Jong and Suarez was that he wouldn't like to see characters as reprehensible as those two in a United shirt. I don't think Giggs is any less of a cvnt than Suarez. De Jong is a different matter entirely.

Ok I think you are purposely ignoring what myself and redbaron said. No point continuing, the difference has been explained and it's simple to understand.

adox · 28-06-2014 09:38AM

MrMac84 wrote: »

Have sky announced there fixtures yet?

Middle of July last year I think but not 100% on that.

alchemist33 · 28-06-2014 09:38AM

Natalie Abundant Wrinkle wrote: »

How can you say you dont want de Jong because of hat hes done but laud Roy keane as a club great?

Have you got a link to a post of mine where I lauded Keane as a club great?

Because I think you're confusing my opinion with some imaginary collective consciousness of all Man United fans.

EuropeanSon · 28-06-2014 09:39AM

adox wrote: »

Ok I think you are purposely ignoring what myself and Redbarron said. No point continuing, the difference has been explained and it's simple to understand.

I responded to that. As I said, it's quite irrelevant to what I'm discussing, which I'd nothing to do with football punishments, or on field versus of field, but rather to do with individual characters and why you would be happy with one (apparently) awful human being representing Manchester United, but not another.

I'll drop this now because you seem to be (deliberately or not) missing the point, perhaps out of unwillingness to criticise Giggs or simply misunderstanding what I'm trying to talk about.

alchemist33 · 28-06-2014 09:40AM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Does Giggs fall under that too?

Like Suarez, he did something disgusting that didn't really cause any physical damage but set a horrendous example.

Arsenal fan here by the way, no agenda, just curious.

I know others have commented already... I did lose some respect for Giggs but what happens on and off the field, when a player is and is not representing the club, are two different things.

redbaron_99 · 28-06-2014 09:41AM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

I wasn't exactly comparing their crimes, you see. I was comparing how reprehensible they are as characters, which is slightly different.

For example, Zidane's crime in 2006 was worse than Suarez, but Suarez is a far more reprehensible character, because Zidane at least had the mitigating factor of an apparent provocation.

Thanks for the clarification. If it's a matter of character, I would say this: most people can't be classed as good or bad. People do stupid and reckless things. Judge them on how often they do such things.

Cantona's Collars · 28-06-2014 09:41AM

De Telegraaf reporting that Bruno Martins Indi is going to Porto.That's one more Dutch player off the list.

adox · 28-06-2014 09:43AM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

I responded to that. As I said, it's quite irrelevant to what I'm discussing, which I'd nothing to do with football punishments, or on field versus of field, but rather to do with individual characters and why you would be happy with one (apparently) awful human being representing Manchester United, but not another.

Because if we went on that criteria there would be a hell of a lot of players people would not want at their clubs.

Giggs has played football very well for Man Utd for years and has not been involved in any major controversies on the field playing football. The difference is obvious.

EuropeanSon · 28-06-2014 09:44AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Thanks for the clarification. If it's a matter of character, I would say this: most people can't be classed as good or bad. People do stupid and reckless things. Judge them on how often they do such things.

alchemist33 wrote: »

I know others have commented already... I did lose some respect for Giggs but what happens on and off the field, when a player is and is not representing the club, are two different things.

Fair enough. Thanks for the reasonable responses. I do think what you say redbaron is slightly ducking the issue to avoid criticising a hero, but it's not entirely without merit.

Thanks guys. I'll drop it now.

EuropeanSon · 28-06-2014 09:46AM

adox wrote: »

Because if we went on that criteria there would be a hell of a lot of players people would not want at their clubs.

Giggs has played football very well for Man Utd for years and has not been involved in any major controversies on the field playing football. The difference is obvious.

This is a very silly reason. I'm going to stop talking to you now.

Zico · 28-06-2014 09:47AM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Thanks guys. I'll drop it now.

Bored already?

EuropeanSon · 28-06-2014 09:48AM

Zico wrote: »

Bored already?

No, they answered me adequately. What are you, 12?

RasTa · 28-06-2014 09:49AM

Sooooooooo anyway, who is turning up at Carrington today?

DM_7 · 28-06-2014 09:50AM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

No, they answered me adequately. What are you, 12?

Yes, he set up his boards account at age 1 and a half.

adox · 28-06-2014 09:51AM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

This is a very silly reason. I'm going to stop talking to you now.

It's not a very silly reason, it's the truth.

adox · 28-06-2014 09:52AM

Anyway, any squad number for Shaw yet? Is he going to get Buttners?

Augmerson · 28-06-2014 09:52AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Thanks for the clarification. If it's a matter of character, I would say this: most people can't be classed as good or bad. People do stupid and reckless things. Judge them on how often they do such things.

How long was Giggs riding his brother's missus for anyway?

EuropeanSon · 28-06-2014 09:55AM

DM-ICE wrote: »

Yes, he set up his boards account at age 1 and a half.

Mental age does not progress linearly over time, unfortunately for some.

ROCKMAN · 28-06-2014 09:58AM

Augmerson wrote: »

How long was Giggs riding his brother's missus for anyway?

well if it is anything like the unbelievable loyalty and fantastic service he shown the club ,
A hell of a long time.

Will I Amnt · 28-06-2014 10:00AM

Augmerson wrote: »

How long was Giggs riding his brother's missus for anyway?

3 hours on a good night. He's some goer is our Ryan.

Zico · 28-06-2014 10:03AM

Augmerson wrote: »

How long was Giggs riding his brother's missus for anyway?

Was his brother married to the one who was on Big Brother?

She was on Big Brother alot!:D

redbaron_99 · 28-06-2014 10:06AM

Zico wrote: »

Was his brother married to the one who was on Big Brother?

She was on Big Brother alot!:D

Insert tumble weed gif.

28-06-2014 10:11AM

alchemist33 wrote: »

Have you got a link to a post of mine where I lauded Keane as a club great?

Because I think you're confusing my opinion with some imaginary collective consciousness of all Man United fans.

So you would rather keane never wore a united shirt?

Knock Off Nigel · 28-06-2014 10:16AM

Right let's get back on topic who do you's think realistically we will sign next?

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