Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

alchemist33

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Not at all.

I'll summarise then. I said I didn't want de Jong. Someone else (presumably not a United fan) said something like "how can you say you don't want de Jong when you laud Keane as a great at the club", which suggests either all United fans don't want de Jong (not true;it seems to be just me) or I'd been lauding him. I hadn't; I hadn't said anything about Keane. You seem to think I did. You missed the point of the conversation

Pro. F

DM-ICE wrote: »

I would prefer a better player but United only have the EPL next seaeon so he would be good enough for next season at least. I don't think he is over rated as I think people generally see him as a good player but not more.

He would be good enough in the way that Joe Hart would be good enough. De Jong is an average player who posters in this thread are talking about being good. That would count as overrating him imo. It's not like better players than him would be hard to sign, no need to waste a squad place on an average player.

Rayne Wooney

I think signing De Jong would be just for a big name when we could get a player who is better but less known

It's a lazy signing

I wouldn't mind Schneiderlin if we're going for a defensive minded midfielder, seeing as it looks like he will be part of the Southampton exodus

Al Capwned

The reason I wasn't totally against the idea of de Jong signing is that he would represent an improvement on the options we have in that area of the field.

That said, I haven't really watched him a lot for Milan, and am basing my opinion on his PL performances a few years ago, and those for The Netherlands more recently. I would imagine a lot (maybe) of posters would be doing the same.

Now in light of the Herrara signing, and the links with Vidal, (who I have watched a lot of, and I would love to see in OT), it seems that we are in for a higher calibre of player, and that is to be welcomed...

Also, I'll bow to Pro.F's knowledge of his performances for Milan recently, and taking all of this into consideration I've changed my mind. I don't want to see him signed.

I want to see better players than him.

Kylo Ren

My body is ready.

Vic Vinegar

Why would it be an 18 though? is it a porn? is that why it says coming this August?

Also, Mata shouldn't be that tall.

Larry Wildman

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Why would it be an 18 though? is it a porn? is that why it says coming this August?

Because of the "Giggsy's Downtime" bit of it...

n32

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Why would it be an 18 though? is it a porn? is that why it says coming this August?

Also, Mata shouldn't be that tall.

Our performances last season were X rated so 18 might be appropriate

glued

Nigel De Jong was by far Milan's best player this year. He's more than the hack merchant that he's made out to be. He would be a great short term signing for us. With a young CB group we should be looking to protect them as much as possible. De Jong is a very disciplined player positionally and can offer a lot to a team that is looking to transform itself going forward with a new identity. He'd also give more freedom to the attacking players and is a fantastic worker without the ball.

I'd love to see it happen.

DM_7

Pro. F wrote: »

He would be good enough in the way that Joe Hart would be good enough. De Jong is an average player who posters in this thread are talking about being good. That would count as overrating him imo. It's not like better players than him would be hard to sign, no need to waste a squad place on an average player.

As I said I would prefer a better player so we agree there at least.

If he was signed I would look at him as a player van Gaal knows, that he wouldn't be expensive maybe freeing up funds for other players, he wouldn't get in the way of a new signing down the line, bringing some bite (lol) to midfield and that United only have domestic football next season so not everything needs fixing this summer then I wouldn't be disappointed to see him signed now that Herrera is already on board.

Jules.Winnfield

Pro. F wrote: »

De Jong is a horribly overrated player. Since he's calmed down with the silly tackles people have been talking him up again, but he's still very limited. Okay defensively, although weak enough positionally for Milan at times this season (that could be just down to their poor management), can occasionally hit a nice pass so he catches the eye. But his control is rubbish for CM at the level we want to be at. We shouldn't go near him.

I think you've got him spot on Pro. Even without CL football next season there are better players out there that would (i'd imagine) be within a reasonable chance of getting. That is that if LVG and co are looking into a midfielder to break things up. I'd rather have Lassana Diarra than De Jong, though I do think he would be a stopgap as well with others LVG may be looking into.

Pro. F

Jules.Winnfield wrote: »

I think you've got him spot on Pro. Even without CL football next season there are better players out there that would (i'd imagine) be within a reasonable chance of getting. That is that if LVG and co are looking into a midfielder to break things up. I'd rather have Lassana Diarra than De Jong, though I do think he would be a stopgap as well with others LVG may be looking into.

Good player imo, as of the last time I saw him anyway. But he's the second coming of Nicholas Anelka for transfer shenanigans.

RobertKK

I would like Kroos as he can play defensive midfielder with his excellent tackling, top class passing and great ball distribution.

I don't know if true, currently I am not ITK, but it has been reported LVG contacted him about wanting him.

Just imagine this three in midfield...

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Kroos

---

---

Vidal

---

Herrera

With these in front....

----Mata

---

Rooney

---

RVP

---

Premier league title....

Larry Wildman

RobertKK wrote: »

I would like Kroos as he can play defensive midfielder with his excellent tackling, top class passing and great ball distribution.

I don't know if true, currently I am not ITK, but it has been reported LVG contacted him about wanting him.

Just imagine this three in midfield...

---

Kroos

---

---

Vidal

---

Herrera

With these in front....

----Mata

---

Rooney

---

RVP

---

Premier league title....

Champions League title...that's proper Los Galacticos stuff

Billy86

If we are not going to be able to get a high end CM to go with Herrera, I think our best option would be Schneiderlin. Though it probably isn't as likely at all now that they have sold Lambert, Shaw and by Monday surely Lallana as well.

Wouldn't be trusting Kroos at DM at all though. Carrick is still our guy there next year.

JRant

I can't to see what LVG can do with Jones.

Honestly think he can turn him into a top quality DM. He's had some MOTM performances there for us in the past and I think with a few technical tweaks to his game and a top class baller in CM he could surprise alot of people.

Son Of A Vidic

alchemist33 wrote: »

I'll summarise then. I said I didn't want de Jong. Someone else (presumably not a United fan) said something like "how can you say you don't want de Jong when you laud Keane as a great at the club", which suggests either all United fans don't want de Jong (not true;it seems to be just me) or I'd been lauding him. I hadn't; I hadn't said anything about Keane. You seem to think I did. You missed the point of the conversation

My bad. I had a late one last night, so I obviously misread your earlier post in my sleep deprived state.

TheTownie

Barca journalist Xavi Torres is saying on twitter that Sanchez has three offers from England.

My guess would be Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal.

alchemist33

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

My bad. I had a late one last night, so I obviously misread your earlier post in my sleep deprived state.

Cheers

Sanchez now, that I could handle.

redbaron_99

Billy86 wrote: »

If we are not going to be able to get a high end CM to go with Herrera, I think our best option would be Schneiderlin. Though it probably isn't as likely at all now that they have sold Lambert, Shaw and by Monday surely Lallana as well.

Wouldn't be trusting Kroos at DM at all though. Carrick is still our guy there next year.

Carrick is a very limited player these days. We need to moving on from the days of him being a main man in there. He slows the play down when the ball is played to him.

Billy86

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Carrick is a very limited player these days. We need to moving on from the days of him being a main man in there. He slows the play down when the ball is played to him.

He was one of the best players in the league in 12/13, possibly even the best if you value of sisterly over peak performance. He didn't go to the dogs altogether in the space of one summer, the problem, as with so many things, was Moyes being utterly useless.

Essentially he wanted our attacking players high up the pitch but our backline deep, ran Rio into the ground as early as possible (which is why he regressed so quickly by Halloween) and expected the two midfielders to cover anything and everything g in between... often a vast expanse of space. One of those mids was typically Cleverly or Fellaini, neither being up to the task of playing at Utd and the other was Carrick.

Carrick has never been a great athlete. Carrick has never covered large areas of space. Carrick has never been an "all action" type. Moyes literally played away from every one of Carrick strengths and played in to all of his weaknesses, as only Moyes could.

There is no way LvG will make this same mistake, given his tactical nous. Carrick will be playing back at the base of a 433 (if as expected Louis continues to use his favourite system) slowing down opposition breaks and closing down passing lanes while being controlled and reliable in possession, helping g us gain composure on the ball in otherwise panicky situations before moving it forward.

He will be 33 this season so is now getting on, but he is still fine for that role especially as we have less games to play and gives additional stability in what is looking like a time of mass upheaval. There is no point focusing on switching him around until/unless more pressing issues like CB or WF (and or what to do with our having an excess of players up there to begin with) have been addressed.

Larry Wildman

Phil Jones should be given a prolonged run at centre half. He was like a young Nemanja Vidic at Blackburn. Since then, we've messed him around and stifled his development by playing him virtually everywhere except his best position. He's now suffering from a condition known as "John O'Shea-itis" - Jack of all trades and master of none. We haven't been fair to the guy at all in terms of his development. I am convinced that he is the best centre half at the club.

Whatsisname

James Ducker ‏@DuckerTheTimes 27s
Alexander Buttner's transfer from #mufc to Dynamo Moscow to be formally completed/announced shortly. Fee is €5.5m rising to €7m

How did Woody pull off €7m for Buttner? :pac:

Lord TSC

That's some awesome business for a fringe player who wanted out

redbaron_99

Billy86 wrote: »

He was one of the best players in the league in 12/13, possibly even the best if you value of sisterly over peak performance. He didn't go to the dogs altogether in the space of one summer, the problem, as with so many things, was Moyes being utterly useless.

Essentially he wanted our attacking players high up the pitch but our backline deep, ran Rio into the ground as early as possible (which is why he regressed so quickly by Halloween) and expected the two midfielders to cover anything and everything g in between... often a vast expanse of space. One of those mids was typically Cleverly or Fellaini, neither being up to the task of playing at Utd and the other was Carrick.

Carrick has never been a great athlete. Carrick has never covered large areas of space. Carrick has never been an "all action" type. Moyes literally played away from every one of Carrick strengths and played in to all of his weaknesses, as only Moyes could.

There is no way LvG will make this same mistake, given his tactical nous. Carrick will be playing back at the base of a 433 (if as expected Louis continues to use his favourite system) slowing down opposition breaks and closing down passing lanes while being controlled and reliable in possession, helping g us gain composure on the ball in otherwise panicky situations before moving it forward.

He will be 33 this season so is now getting on, but he is still fine for that role especially as we have less games to play and gives additional stability in what is looking like a time of mass upheaval. There is no point focusing on switching him around until/unless more pressing issues like CB or WF (and or what to do with our having an excess of players up there to begin with) have been addressed.

All very nice, but he hasn't got the legs, and is hitting 33, and increasingly over the last 3 years (before moyes) his passing is becoming more and more restricted.
It's time to move on. Carrick has had his time.

TheTownie

Whatsisname wrote: »

How did Woody pull off €7m for Buttner? :pac:

Its all in the formula.

Phase 1: Sign Buttner
Phase 2: ??????
Phase 3: Profit

Fuhrer

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Phil Jones should be given a prolonged run at centre half. He was like a young Nemanja Vidic at Blackburn. Since then, we've messed him around and stifled his development by playing him virtually everywhere except his best position. He's now suffering from a condition known as "John O'Shea-itis" - Jack of all trades and master of none. We haven't been fair to the guy at all in terms of his development. I am convinced that he is the best centre half at the club.

Yeah, a De Gea type situation where either the pressure makes him or breaks him.

Larry Wildman

That's a nice bit of business re Buttner if it's true.

A likeable wholehearted lad...I wish him well.

The_Kew_Tour

Ed>Gill

FutureGuy

From this day forward, it shall be called

Buttnerday

Rejoice!