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Those damn Muslims!!

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  • #32
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    urabell wrote: »
    tl;dr

    religion of peace (except in every country where there is a muslim majority)

    No. I think the abbreviation you're looking for is tl; drsimoivi

    Too long; didn't read so inserted my own ignorant view instead.


  • #33
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Einhard wrote: »
    No. I think the abbreviation you're looking for is tl; drsimoivi

    Too long; didn't read so inserted my own ignorant view instead.

    Yus. They love us too. You nip over to the Middle east and have a natter about what a great bunch of lads we are and how they should be tolerant of us or else they are ignorant feckers. Report back on your findings. Or don't bother, we'll probably be able to see the final cut on youtube.


  • #34
    hjkl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭hjkl


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    I'm mainly cynical and freedom loving. They're big on rules, I tend to subvert.

    Damn muslims coming over here, taking our freedom. I say we ban them from wearing the clothes they want, that'll learn the freedom hating bastards. :rolleyes:


  • #35
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    Yus. They love us too. You nip over to the Middle east and have a natter about what a great bunch of lads we are and how they should be tolerant of us or else they are ignorant feckers. Report back on your findings. Or don't bother, we'll probably be able to see the final cut on youtube.

    I live in the Middle East.



    It's no great surprise that you didn't actually read my original post before you started blathering. I imagine you were horrendously disappointed to find that the thread title doesn't actually correspond to the opening post. Sorry about that.


  • #36
    LETHAL LADY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭LETHAL LADY


    Wouldn't have had as many encounters with Muslim folks like you've had OP, apart from when I was in college or in hospital.
    There was two Muslim men in my class in college and when it came joining in with class groups etc and were extremely friendly and polite , but they always chose to sit on their own during breaks, so it was hard to get to know them really.
    It was a full class of mature students and they were invited from day one to join us, but they always refused.
    Maybe I'm showing my ignorance but why would they not join their fellow classmates during breaks?


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  • #37
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    Both. They kinda ignored the whole "let he who is without" bit. The divils.
    "The Koran says don't drink alcohol or eat pork. It says nothing about marijuana." - straight from the mouth of a Pakistani guy I used to work with. And he was a practising Muslim. Great cricket player too. He's now an accountant in Canada.


  • #38
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    Yus. They love us too. You nip over to the Middle east and have a natter about what a great bunch of lads we are and how they should be tolerant of us or else they are ignorant feckers. Report back on your findings. Or don't bother, we'll probably be able to see the final cut on youtube.

    In fairness when the majority of the reports you hear about a place are headlines about the hardline nutters chances are you're more than likely to assume that the place is full of hardline nutters. The fact that the media loves to create boogymen also doesn't help.


  • #39
    solomafioso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭solomafioso


    LETHAL LADY wrote: »
    Maybe I'm showing my ignorance but why would they not join their fellow classmates during breaks?

    Could be a number of things.

    Reverse the situation though and you might see similar results. I.E. two lads who are from the same area / speak the same language, not wanting to hang out with older students. So, a class full of (insert any other nationality here), and two Irish lads keeping to themselves.

    Could be social awkwardness...


  • #40
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Einhard wrote: »
    I live in the Middle East.



    It's no great surprise that you didn't actually read my original post before you started blathering. I imagine you were horrendously disappointed to find that the thread title doesn't actually correspond to the opening post. Sorry about that.

    I read every word as it happens. You're in an ex-pats enclave. Sipping gin. Pop out into the sticks with your jazzy, happy clappy views, see how you get on. Dress up as a woman for the craic, try wearing your favorite short skirt. And driving. or walking in front of your husband. A male experience of the Muslim world stands a good chance of being at odds with a womans.


  • #41
    grimbergen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭grimbergen


    It's always amazing that people who dislike muslims the most have never actually visited a muslim country.

    I've been all around the middle east and beyond - in my experience of having visited all the continents arab/muslim countries are the warmest and friendliest in the world. Shame about the hardcore amongst their religion


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  • #42
    Pawn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 440 ✭✭Pawn


    Einhard wrote: »
    They were Muslim. Nicest guys ever.

    I wonder what would your (hypothetical) wife said about them if she was lost :confused:


  • #43
    urabell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭urabell


    Einhard wrote: »
    No. I think the abbreviation you're looking for is tl; drsimoivi

    Too long; didn't read so inserted my own ignorant view instead.

    If someone is a true muslim and follows the Quran and Sharia law then their position is indefensible, the best you can do is provide some anecdotal evidence of muslim men not doing you any harm simply by crossing your path or other examples of lay muslims who aren't the target of anyone's disdain to begin with.


  • #44
    urabell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭urabell


    grimbergen wrote: »
    It's always amazing that people who dislike muslims the most have never actually visited a muslim country.

    I've been all around the middle east and beyond - in my experience of having visited all the continents arab/muslim countries are the warmest and friendliest in the world. Shame about the hardcore amongst their religion

    Unfortunately I like to travel with a group of friends and seeing as some of them are women/ LGBT they tend to pick countries where they won't be treated as second class citizens or worse when we sit down to decide where to go.


  • #45
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    I read every word as it happens. You're in an ex-pats enclave. Sipping gin. Pop out into the sticks with your jazzy, happy clappy views, see how you get on. Dress up as a woman for the craic, try wearing your favorite short skirt. And driving. or walking in front of your husband.


    LOL you craic me up. I teach Muslims. I'm one of four Western teachers in a school of 40 teachers. Principal, vice principal are Muslim. I hang around with Muslims. You didn't read my original post. If you had, you wouldn't have advised me to visit the Midde East. Considering I point out in the OP that I live there.

    It's funny, but practically everybody I know who has disdain for another group of people, be they Muslim or Polish or whatever, are generally almost entirely ignorant of that group of people. And you fit the bill perfectly.

    Here's an idea...why don't you visit the Middle East and speak to normal Muslims? Instead of basing your views on hearsay and what you hear in whatever no doubt open and balanced media outlets you happen to subsrcibe to.


  • #46
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    urabell wrote: »
    If someone is a true muslim and follows the Quran and Sharia law then their position is indefensible, the best you can do is provide some anecdotal evidence of muslim men not doing you any harm simply by crossing your path or other examples of lay muslims who aren't the target of anyone's disdain to begin with.

    If someone is a true Christian and followed the Bible, then they'd stone people to death for playing American football. Something something something...

    True story.


  • #47
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    urabell wrote: »
    Unfortunately I like to travel with a group of friends and seeing as some of them are women/ LGBT they tend to pick countries where they won't be treated as second class citizens or worse when we sit down to decide where to go.

    Maybe if they broadened their horizons somewhat they wouldn't be so ignorant as to classify all people and countries as the same? I have many female friends here and none would ever say they're second class citizens. In fact, those lucky mofos get free drinks at ladies nights when I have to pay for them. Discrimination I tells ye!!

    It's telling though, that the posters who are criticising Muslims in this thread are those who have no actual exprience of Muslims, and refuse to do so. Quelle surprise, eh?


  • #48
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Einhard wrote: »
    LOL you craic me up. I teach Muslims. I'm one of four Western teachers in a school of 40 teachers. Principal, vice principal are Muslim. I hang around with Muslims. You didn't read my original post. If you had, you wouldn't have advised me to visit the Midde East. Considering I point out in the OP that I live there.

    It's funny, but practically everybody I know who has disdain for another group of people, be they Muslim or Polish or whatever, are generally almost entirely ignorant of that group of people. And you fit the bill perfectly.

    Here's an idea...why don't you visit the Middle East and speak to normal Muslims. Instead of basing your views on heresay and what you hear in whatever no doubt open and balanced media outlets you heppen to subsrcibe to.

    Good for you. You have it sussed. Bang ahead. I'm gonna bet you don't start a thread for when things don't go so swimmingly. Like I said, you might not be waving the pom-poms so strong if you were a western woman. Or wore a crucifix in the wrong company.


  • #49
    urabell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭urabell


    Einhard wrote: »
    If someone is a true Christian and followed the Bible, then they'd stone people to death for playing American football. Something something something...

    True story.

    Yeah agreed, Christianity is just as mental. You'll find less fanatics nowadays though. ;b-b-but Christians are just as bad' isn't an excuse for the evil of islam,
    Any gods so monstrous as to drown my mother and father would never have my worship, I vowed. In King’s Landing, the High Septon would prattle at me of how all justice and goodness flowed from the Seven, but all I ever saw of either was made by men.[39] ”
    - King Stannis Baratheon, First of his name, King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm


  • #50
    solomafioso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭solomafioso


    urabell wrote: »
    - King Stannis Baratheon, First of his name, King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm

    Did you just try to make a point by quoting a fictional character?! :pac:


  • #51
    Timmyctc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,825 ✭✭✭Timmyctc


    LETHAL LADY wrote: »
    Wouldn't have had as many encounters with Muslim folks like you've had OP, apart from when I was in college or in hospital.
    There was two Muslim men in my class in college and when it came joining in with class groups etc and were extremely friendly and polite , but they always chose to sit on their own during breaks, so it was hard to get to know them really.
    It was a full class of mature students and they were invited from day one to join us, but they always refused.
    Maybe I'm showing my ignorance but why would they not join their fellow classmates during breaks?
    solomafioso wrote: »
    Could be a number of things.

    Reverse the situation though and you might see similar results. I.E. two lads who are from the same area / speak the same language, not wanting to hang out with older students. So, a class full of (insert any other nationality here), and two Irish lads keeping to themselves.

    Could be social awkwardness...

    Maybe they thought ye were all just a bag of dicks


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  • #52
    Legs.Eleven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    I hate Sharia Law. It boils my piss when I hear how women are treated in countries where it's in place. I hate it and would rather kill myself than live in a country where it exists. It's fcuking disgusting, I abore it and it really, genuinely angers me etc.



    HOWEVER threads like this attract the same motely crew who'll pull out the inevitable, "PC Brigade are too scared to stand up against Islam but happily preach against Catholicism (etc)!:mad:" bollocks choosing to forget that the latter directly affected my upbringing and the choices I can make living in Catholic countries. The fact is, I never see reasoned debate against the religion of Islam and they're almost always classed a number of horrible generalisations on these threads and I'd rather chop my head off than ever side with that lot.

    I lived in East End London for 2 years and am living in a Muslim-dense part of Madrid now and they've always been more respectful and polite than the locals. I'm not oppressed because Spanish law overrules any laws that any of them might want to bring in and they seem happy enough with that. I have first cousins whose father is Muslim and although he's justifiably angry with the actions of his adopted country in the Middle East (he lives in the US), he's a lovely, gentle, kind man and moderate in his beliefs. My ex boss in London was a British-Irish man who'd converted to Islam 20 years before I'd met him and a lovelier, more open-minded person you couldn't meet. There's a guy from Pakistan who sells fruit and veg down the road whose a grumpy, rude man but that has fcuk all to do with his religion.

    Say what you will about the persecution of other religions right now in Europe but the anti-Islam feeling in Europe at this moment is rife and exceeds every other kind of prejudice on our continent, particularly in countries where Muslims are an actual presence. It's incomparable to any other "anti" feeling nowadays, so people pulling out the "You put down [insert other religion here] but you won't speak out against Islam" card while sitting on their farms away from any urban area where they might live and have had zero interaction with any and get their opinions from the Daily Mail have an agenda and I have no intention of ever agreeing with them.


    Again, for the hard of hearing, I hate Sharia Law but I have to laugh when you have the posters insisting Ireland is on the brink of being taken over by it and we should watch out. If we don't watch out and we don't speak out against it, we're supposedly only concerned with being seen as "PC" or "Not being seen as racist" (as I have been accused of recently) when all I'm being is a rational, realistic human being who has a grip on reality and knows that I can go about my day in muslim-populated area in peace without fear of being stoned or maimed.

    The loonies are the minority and are the oppressors of the people of the religion with which they supposedly share. Engage your brain when you debate this topic and if I don't agree with you, don't shut me down by labelling me a "PC liberal". I have my views on Muslim extremists but I won't be using their actions to tar 1.5 billion of them that live worldwide.


  • #53
    NoHornJan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭NoHornJan


    I can't blame the muslims for doing to us what the christian brothers and other missionaries did to them.
    What goes round comes round.


  • #54
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    Good for you. You have it sussed. Bang ahead. I'm gonna bet you don't start a thread for when things don't go so swimmingly.

    You make me laugh. You try to paint me as some ex-pat living the high life closeted way from everyday realities because that scenario allows you to claim that your ignorance trumps my actual experience of things, and when your ****eology doesn't ring true, you resort to some nonsensical, not even hypothetical scenario.


  • #55
    urabell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭urabell


    Einhard wrote: »
    Maybe if they broadened their horizons somewhat they wouldn't be so ignorant as to classify all people and countries as the same? I have many female friends here and none would ever say they're second class citizens. In fact, those lucky mofos get free drinks at ladies nights when I have to pay for them. Discrimination I tells ye!!

    It's telling though, that the posters who are criticising Muslims in this thread are those who have no actual exprience of Muslims, and refuse to do so. Quelle surprise, eh?

    I attend college with several muslims, took a lot of flak for refusing to segregate seats between men and women or 'brothers and sisters' at an event I ran in conjunction with ISOC last year.

    If they were practising muslims drinking alcohol would be a sin, so you're either pals with some middle eastern people that you're wrongly assuming are muslim or you're talking out of your arse.


  • #56
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    urabell wrote: »

    If they were practising muslims drinking alcohol would be a sin, so you're either pals with some middle eastern people that you're wrongly assuming are muslim or you're talking out of your arse.

    Lots of so-called Catholics sin, and still consider themselves Catholics. And are considered Catholics. Why do you think it shouldn't be the same with Muslims?


  • #57
    urabell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭urabell


    solomafioso wrote: »
    Did you just try to make a point by quoting a fictional character?! :pac:

    You can learn more about justice and doing the right thing by studying Stannis than any religious text I know of.


  • #58
    solomafioso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭solomafioso


    urabell wrote: »
    If they were practising muslims drinking alcohol would be a sin, so you're either pals with some middle eastern people that you're wrongly assuming are muslim or you're talking out of your arse.

    And I suppose to flip that, how many "practising" catholics abide by the laws? Like ash wednesday, or not eating meat on some special day...or lent? Can't think of any more.That blog comes to mind where some dude tried to live word for word what the bible preached. Like he couldn't touch his wife or sit where she sat when she was...eh...in her cycle (to put it politely!).


  • #59
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Einhard wrote: »
    Lots of so-called Catholics sin, and still consider themselves Catholics. And are considered Catholics. Why do you think it shouldn't be the same with Muslims?

    You strike me as being an Ali-G character. Except you're wearing a dish dash, not a tracksuit.


  • #60
    Tilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Tilly


    Waaaaay too much for me to read at 1am.

    But yeah, live as one. I think we all should be buddhist! Thats an awesome religion.


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  • #61
    urabell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭urabell


    Einhard wrote: »
    Lots of so-called Catholics sin, and still consider themselves Catholics. And are considered Catholics. Why do you think it shouldn't be the same with Muslims?

    I don't think it should be the same, I find the idea of a la carte Catholics just as ridiculous as a la carte muslims.

    You're only issue seems to be that Irish people seem ignorant of the existence of lay muslims in the middle east, you're offering no actual defence of moderate or strict islam.
    solomafioso wrote: »
    And I suppose to flip that, how many "practising" catholics abide by the laws? Like ash wednesday, or not eating meat on some special day...or lent? Can't think of any more.That blog comes to mind where some dude tried to live word for word what the bible preached. Like he couldn't touch his wife or sit where she sat when she was...eh...in her cycle (to put it politely!).

    You must be one of them practising catholics if you feel the need to skirt around using the word menstruation, your body is beautiful, there's no God and it's not 1974.


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