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Those damn Muslims!!

  • 28-06-2014 12:18AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭


    So, everywhere I look these days there's animosity towards Muslims. A thread is started about two Scottish people throwing bacon into a mosque, and within a few minutes we have posts criticising Muslims. Because who doesn't like blaming the victim, eh?

    So as a person who has actually had experiences with Muslims, as opposed to the haters who condemn an entire religion and its billion adhernats based on what they read in the Daily Mail or whatever, I thought I should try and add some balance and set the record straight so to speak.

    I did a tour of the Middle East about ten years ago. Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. I remember being lost in Damascus and having no idea how to get back to my camp. A car pulled up and two guys asked me was I lost. I told them that I was, and they told me to hop in the car and they'd sort me out. At the time, the prevailing mood amongst some was that Muslims were all of a certain sort, and I had actually been advised not to even do the tour because of all the Muslims. I'd be bombed, beheaded, whatever. The majority weren't advising this, but they were a small but significant and vocal minority. As is today. So I was somewhat wary about hopping in the car. I did anyway, and they drove me miles out of their way to my camp site, chatting away as we went along. I tried to shove some money their way after, and they not only refused but were genuinely surprised that I'd feel the need to do such a thing. They were Muslim. Nicest guys ever.

    Later in the same trip we visited Petra. We were wandering around for hours and then it started lashing rain. We were far from the main tourist trail and made for the entrance but the rain was so bad it made things really difficult. Then this woman came out of nowhere and gesturd for us to come with her. We followed her anyway, and it turned out she was semi-nomadic and lived for part of the year in a cave in the Petra "complex". She brought us to this home, and together with her husband, made us tea and chatted with us for an hour until the rain stopped. We hadn't a clue what they were saying and vice versa, but we made sense of things with hand gestures and the like. When we left they gave us this bread stuff and were shaking hands and hugging all around. This family had next to nothing in terms of money and goods yet they took us in, fed and watered us, and hung out with us. She didn't try to sell us anything or look for anything; she did it because she felt it was the right thing to do. And again, she was a Muslim.

    Don't get me wrong, we met some a**hole Muslims on the trip. But none of them were a**holes because they were Muslim; they were a**holes because they were a**holes. But for some strange reason, a**hole Christians are assholes and a**hole Muslims are Muslim. Go figure.

    Anyways, I didn't have much interaction with Muslims after the trip until I moved to the UAE two years ago. I remember the night before I left I posted a picture of a pint I was having and mourned the fact that thi was the last alcoholic beverage I'd be having for a while. 48 hours later I was in the irish pub in Abu Dhabi knocking some back. And it's been thus ever since. Muslims shouldn't drink- it should be anathema to them. Yet over here drink is freely available, and many of Muslim friends indulge in it. Never ever have I felt judged for drinking. Ramadan starts this weekend. All Muslims should refrain from eating or drinking even water until sunrise- yet in this holiest of Muslim months, bars and off licences are still open. When it comes to non-Muslims and Ramadan, we've basically been told that we can do what we want, but it would be nice if we didn't eat and drink in their faces.

    I know that there's a train of thought in the non-Muslim world that the Koran somehow inculcates extremism. The Koran says this, so all Muslims are that. Oft spouted by Koranic scholars who have never actually read the Koran. Hmmm. I'm a teacher here. I teach Muslim kids. Average age is 11. They're crazy and annoying and nd loony and drive me crazy with their shoite. Some of them pray at the appointed time; most don't. But the thing that has struck me about them is that they're exactly like every other bunch of kids I've ever taught. There's not a fundamentalist bone in their body. Sure, some might turn out to be fundamentalists maybe, but that's not because they're Muslim. Or else all Muslims would be fundamentalist. And they're not. Theyre just normal.

    I know people are gonna be like, TL;DR man, and I don't blame them. It is long. And probably of no revelance to anything. But I see too much general Muslim bashing in the Western papers, and too much Muslim bashing from people who have never even met a Muslim. And I don't think it's too much that I write a long boring post about how Muslims are just like everyone else for the most part. That's the way it is. :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭solomafioso


    tl;dr Muslims. Great bunch of lads.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    Don't think I've met any. My friend in London has some good muslim friends all right though.

    Jeez I sound like a right innocent. :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭jellyboy


    Well said op ..

    i concur with your writing and expressions of experiences contained in your post …

    I'm giving it 5 posts before it kicks off…


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    They should appreciate living in a country where people are free to throw offending meats into religious buildings!

    Try going over there and complain about someone throwing a hake at a church on a Friday and see what happens blah blah blah...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭solomafioso


    jellyboy wrote: »
    I'm giving it 5 posts before it kicks off…

    It's all "Hitler this", and "Hitler that" around here. You can't move for the "Hitlers".

    /good oul Godwin's Law.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    They don't seem to have much of a sense of humour when it comes to religion anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭solomafioso


    They don't seem to have much of a sense of honour when it comes to religion anyway.

    ...or humour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    They don't seem to have much of a sense of honour when it comes to religion anyway.

    And they all have four wives, the feckers!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭The Th!ng


    In Jihadistan the favourite dish is pork marinated in whiskey.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    ...or humour.

    Indeed, fixed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭Aint Eazy Being Cheezy


    What dya expect? Being Muslim is not all cruelty to animals and summercamps in Tripoli.

    There's downsides to it too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    All I'm saying is, if they come over here, they have to adapt to our culture, not vice versa. It's all gone too far with the PC... in the schools now even!... taxpayer's money... mosque... religion of peace?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    What dya expect? Being Muslim is not all cruelty to animals and summercamps in Tripoli.

    There's downsides to it too.

    Like the virgins in heaven when they blow themselves up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Very true Op, I heard of a woman who used to get stoned with them and everything, a great bunch of lads.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    All I'm saying is, if they come over here, they have to adapt to our culture, not vice versa. It's all gone too far with the PC... in the schools now even!... taxpayer's money... mosque... religion of peace?

    Yeah, all this shiite about burkas and whatever. If they want to wear that stuff then stay in a Muslim country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    Like the virgins in heaven when they blow themselves up.

    There will be blood everywhere either way. Like an explosion at a jam factory.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Very true Op, I heard of a woman who used to get stoned with them and everything, a great bunch of lads.

    With them or by them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    With them or by them?

    Both. They kinda ignored the whole "let he who is without" bit. The divils.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭solomafioso


    I think OP has a great point though and something I've believed for a while.

    Religion shouldn't factor when 'reading someone by their cover'. If I meet you and a while in to a conversation you start spouting on about religious propaganda, how your religion is better / different and / or mistreats people because of their sex or their way of life. Then get the f*ck away from me.

    I think rule number one of all religions should be "Don't be a c*nt". Not "obey and fear some makey upey man-made deity for you to kill another person in the name of" (I'm not bashing Islam / Muslims....Crusades anyone?...and now I have Rage Against The Machine in my head!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    I kinda noticed there was a preponderance of "lad" in the OP. Mainly as they'd shave off the womans burka and make her marry Larry Murphy if she dared speak to an Einhard. I have about 5% tolerance for Mohammedans, mainly as their avowed mission is to assimilate me and mine, or do me in if I fail to comply. I'm funny like that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    I kinda noticed there was a preponderance of "lad" in the OP. Mainly as they'd shave off the womans burka and make her marry Larry Murphy if she dared speak to an Einhard. I have about 5% tolerance for Mohammedans, mainly as their avowed mission is to assimilate me and mine, or do me in if I fail to comply. I'm funny like that.

    You are kinda funny in fairness.


    And scary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Einhard wrote: »
    You are kinda funny in fairness.


    And scary.

    I'm mainly cynical and freedom loving. They're big on rules, I tend to subvert.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭Aint Eazy Being Cheezy


    I kinda noticed there was a preponderance of "lad" in the OP. Mainly as they'd shave off the womans burka and make her marry Larry Murphy if she dared speak to an Einhard. I have about 5% tolerance for Mohammedans, mainly as their avowed mission is to assimilate me and mine, or do me in if I fail to comply. I'm funny like that.

    'Lad' that's a real Liverpool expression.

    It's kinda like where two blokes are talking over a walky talkie, and they say "over" once they're finished speaking.

    I was talking to a liverpudlian once before, and once I stopped talking he didn't give a response for about 30secs, until I'd said "lad?" :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    The only encounter (if you want to use that word, i mean they're not aliens ffs) I've had with a muslim was with an old work colleague of mine from Pakistan. To say that the man is a gentleman is an understatement.

    At the end of the day no matter what religion you do or don't follow, an ass will always be an ass and a gent will always be a gent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    I'm mainly cynical and freedom loving. They're big on rules, I tend to subvert.

    You legend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    P_1 wrote: »
    The only encounter (if you want to use that word, i mean they're not aliens ffs) I've had with a muslim was with an old work colleague of mine from Pakistan. To say that the man is a gentleman is an understatement.

    At the end of the day no matter what religion you do or don't follow, an ass will always be an ass and a gent will always be a gent.

    I grew up in London, in a mixed poverty stricken Catholic/Muslim area. I had loads of moderate Muslim friends. The Orthodox ones, not so much. They'd a taliban on their kids mixing with infidels. It coloured my view a bit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Einhard wrote: »
    You legend.

    You calling me a foot? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭lisaface


    One thing that irked me about your post , the spelling of the word 'quran'. You're there two years ,and yet you still cannot spell it properly.

    I agree that there is an uprising of Muslim bashing. It's like a new trend ,however I do agree with king of moo;
    All I'm saying is, if they come over here, they have to adapt to our culture, not vice versa. It's all gone too far with the PC... in the schools now even!... taxpayer's money... mosque... religion of peace?

    I'm so sick of people sticking the knife in when I complain about the PC 'trend', I cannot open my mouth for fear someone calls me a 'racist' ,for disliking the muslim religion. I hate all f*cking religions. All war and the false pretense that some invisible floating gob****e in the sky is going to 'save you' ,once you die. **** off.

    In the ideal world ,religion wouldn't exist! It causes more harm than good, bit ironic given most of them are there to 'do good'. I am tired of the uneducated folk confusing religious bashing and race bashing. White muslims exist people, just like black christians exist ,or are we going to continue to play the fear card when it comes to having someone disagree with your lifestyle. I honestly think religion is a lifestyle choice at this stage, seeing as most catholics (yes im looking at you holy-joe irish catholics here!) ,don't even follow the entire 'form'.

    okay /rantover.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭urabell


    tl;dr

    religion of peace (except in every country where there is a muslim majority)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    lisaface wrote: »
    One thing that irked me about your post , the spelling of the word 'quran'. You're there two years ,and yet you still cannot spell it properly.

    I can. But most peoeple spell it Koran, so I do too. And to spell it properly it would have to be in Arabic.


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