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Are you religious?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,091 ✭✭✭Antar Bolaeisk


    I do not subscribe to any belief system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Not religious myself but I try to avoid forcing my own philosophies on others


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    This isn't a Catholic country now. We're a country where the majority of people identify as Catholic - there is a difference.

    Regarding atheists and the census, the important figure is those who declare themselves as "no religion". There is no atheism box to tick, you'd have to write it in.

    We were never a 'Catholic county' to begin with other than a certain right wing highly religious agenda attempted to hijack the national identity.

    We need to start being the Republic of Ireland and not Holy Catholic Ireland.

    Being Irish is a much, much broader thing!

    There are still a lot of legacy issues like their being no public school system and having 90%+ of schools in Catholic patronage and 96% in religious patronage generally.

    Other minor issues too like starting every Dail and Seanad session with prayers etc etc etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 yumyumbumbum


    Not 'religious' as I do not follow any organised institution that calls itself such.

    When it comes down to it, Jesus' main teaching was 'don't be a dick to people' so I try to follow that. No hellfire or brimstone necessary. Just don't be a dick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    I think putting 'Catholic' on the census means about as much as liking something on facebook.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    I think the census forms should be a lot more private too.
    It's kind of weird the way they're collected as a household and then collected by a local busybody enumerator too.

    I'd say it sways results on anything non-conformist, especially in rural areas but even in urban areas where you'll probably know the local enumerator.

    I'd prefer if there was a form for each individual in the household and if you just submitted them back by post or, better again had the option of just doing them online.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,091 ✭✭✭Antar Bolaeisk


    Links234 wrote: »
    I think putting 'Catholic' on the census means about as much as liking something on facebook.

    It means more because the government make decisions and policies based partly on information gathered during a census.
    SpaceTime wrote: »
    I think the census forms should be a lot more private too.
    It's kind of weird the way they're collected as a household and then collected by a local busybody enumerator too.

    I'd say it sways results on anything non-conformist, especially in rural areas but even in urban areas where you'll probably know the local enumerator.

    If only there were a way to distribute and collect things without the need for someone to call to one's door with a pile of paper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    The Census question was loaded and flawed.

    It asked "what is your religion?" which implies that you needed to tick a religion. Many people filling it in would blindly tick the Catholic box without too much thought.

    A more valid question would have been "Do you practise a religion?" Yes/no
    If yes tick from options below. If no move on to next question.

    Does anyone in their right mind actually think that over 80% of our population believe that someone can change a wafer into a dead person's body?
    I don't type that to belittle the Catholic faith but to be a practising Catholic you have to actually believe that. How many people that label themselves Catholic actually truthfully believe that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    It means more because the government make decisions and policies based partly on information gathered during a census.

    I meant more like how it reflects the person who tick's the box/likes the post actual views


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    When it comes down to it, Jesus' main teaching was 'don't be a dick to people' so I try to follow that.

    Absolutely, after all the Western Roman Empire started the Catholic Church and imo has absolutely Nothing to do with Christ, who, incidentally, never did found a church, he was not of that persuasion and the bull*hit of building on Peter as a Rock is the Romans trying to make and association and trick people into following the new RCC, incidentally it also caused the spontaneous eruption of Islam in the Eastern Roman Empire ~ likely story too there. :)


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    So many people write down catholic, even if you ask them as they fill out the form and they say they dont believe in god. Madness before my eyes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Absolutely, after all the Western Roman Empire started the Catholic Church and imo has absolutely Nothing to do with Christ, who, incidentally, never did found a church, he was not of that persuasion and the bull*hit of building on Peter as a Rock is the Romans trying to make and association and trick people into following the new RCC, incidentally it also caused the spontaneous eruption of Islam in the Eastern Roman Empire ~ likely story too there. :)

    The Roman Catholic church started Islam!? Is there anything they can't do?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    It is great to see so many people that are so sure of their own opinions that they can criticise those who declare their feelings on such a private and personally sensitive matter.

    To see such opinions being spouted by clearly unlearned oiks makes it all the more hysterical.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    No, not religious. Managed to get that reflected in the census, too!

    FYI there was a 2012 Gallup poll [pdf] which found that 47 per cent of the population identified themselves as “a religious person”, 44 per cent identified as “not a religious person”, and 10 per cent identified as “a convinced atheist”.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    The Roman Catholic church started Islam!? Is there anything they can't do?

    Keep their hands off the kids.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    catallus wrote: »
    It is great to see so many people that are so sure of their own opinions that they can criticise those who declare their feelings on such a private and personally sensitive matter.

    To see such opinions being spouted by clearly unlearned oiks makes it all the more hysterical.

    Yeah....
    catallus wrote: »
    I think the source of the OP's confusion is that his observations of online behaviour don't measure up to his observation and experience of the real world.

    Atheism is obviously a failed internet meme which has about as much influence on the real-world as a "that weird thing you do potoo" joke.

    pots, kettles etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Maybe I should have added "lazy" to that aswell.


  • Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes, I'm catholic.

    Pointless asking the question here though as you will get very skewed results due to the extremely disproportionate number of atheists on boards (why this is I don't know) compared to everyday life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    The Roman Catholic church started Islam!? Is there anything they can't do?

    It's quite a story, the Roman Empire was divided into East and West, many factions tried to move East as the Western Empire was under siege and in danger of collapse.

    The Eastern Empire formed a cohesive alliance and is still more or less intact today.

    Approx 350 CE the RCC was formed and a large chunk of the empire began to come back to Rome's control and her influence was spreading both East and West.

    Approx 650 CE an uprising in the Eastern Roman Empire separated itself from Rome and has not returned since.


  • Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What is it with Atheists and their obsession to endlessly talk about god and religion any chance they get.
    They are the Jehovah Witnesses of the Internet.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Maphisto


    What is it with Atheists and their obsession to endlessly talk about god and religion any chance they get.
    They are the Jehovah Witnesses of the Internet.

    Bit of a generalisation :rolleyes:

    Perhaps you mean - What is it about the atheists who always want to talk about the tooth fairy/God/Allah/Santa (delete inapplicable) because not all of us do :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Yes, I'm catholic.

    Pointless asking the question here though as you will get very skewed results due to the extremely disproportionate number of atheists on boards (why this is I don't know) compared to everyday life.

    I would disagree with a few points.

    I don't think it is pointless, one will get a few direct answers that one cannot in other forums, in the religious forums I HAVE to be religious per the charter as example, so I could NOT speak against the proposal.

    Boards seems to reflect my life experiences quite well, I don't go around counting though, but most of my circles are non believers.

    I work in religious circles as well an they think I'm great, they think I believe and I've just stopped telling them, they simply don't believe me that I'm and atheist.

    My open heart surgeon was a Muslim, I advised all fellow ward patients to pray to Allah, some did, some thought it funny, and a few asked me if I would for them. Facepalm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    What is it with Atheists and their obsession to endlessly talk about god and religion any chance they get.
    They are the Jehovah Witnesses of the Internet.

    Possibly because they've grown up in a society that merged religion, the state and national identity for decades and where they're still basically forced to send their kids to catholic schools (<4% aren't), where the national legislature (Dail and Seanad) starts its day with :
    Direct, we beseech Thee, O Lord, our actions by Thy holy inspirations and carry them on by Thy gracious assistance; that every word and work of ours may always begin from Thee, and by Thee be happily ended; through Christ our Lord. Amen.

    The above prayer is said at the commencement of each day's business in the Dáil by the Ceann Comhairle, and in the Seanad by the Clerk of the Seanad.

    http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/a-misc/prayer.htm

    and where the constitution starts with (a legally meaningless but weird preamble)
    n the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,
    We, the people of Éire,
    Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,
    Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation,
    And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations,
    Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution.


    Where the state stood idly by and possibly even colluded with locking women up in institutions for getting pregnant.
    Where the state banned condoms until the the 1980s and had them heavily restricted until the 1990s.
    Where gay rights didn't exist until 1993.
    Where the first divorce happened in 1997.
    Where a blasphemy law was INTRODUCED in 2009 !!!?!

    So, I donno .. maybe we feel we *need* to make a few changes so that Ireland might actually be an open, inclusive, secular Republic where everyone has fair access be they Catholic, Anglican, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist, or whatever they want to be rather than just having this whole de facto established religion stuff that makes us seem more like a theocracy than a Republic.

    I think we're fairly justified in banging on about the need for a bit of reform and maybe a tiny bit of a rethink.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭rozeboosje


    I don't understand the question.... "Do you believe in a God?". WT*bleep* is a "god"?

    Do you believe in The Glurb?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    What is it with Atheists and their obsession to endlessly talk about god and religion any chance they get.
    They are the Jehovah Witnesses of the Internet.

    Christians have done 100-times more to spread their views than atheists have. And that's being really generous.

    A handful of annoying atheists hardly compares to conquering armies - or are we just going to pretend the last 1000+ years never happened?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    On this website I regularly notice that there are many atheists, but according to the Census only 0.09% (3,905 people) described themselves as being atheist.

    There was no "atheist" option on the census form. You had to select "Other" and write atheist in the box. Many atheists would have ticked the "No Religion" option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    So about 1 in 5 people believe in a god of some sort....I'd say that's about in line with what I've noticed in real life.

    It's a shame that out of the 80% that don't believe in a God about 90% of them will still tick a religion on a census form, for fear of upsetting their mammies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    UCDVet wrote: »
    A handful of annoying atheists hardly compares to conquering armies - or are we just going to pretend the last 1000+ years never happened?

    Christians missionaries practiced genocide and ethnic cleaning and population control by killing all the males in a tribe or village and having European Christian Soldiers mate with the remaining women after they had slaughtered all the men and children, especially boys.

    Just as Bush says he speaks to god as he grabbed oilfields, it goes on today, it's not about god or religion in reality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Some of the atheists on boards are clearly obsessed with Catlolicsm in particular. No opportunity is ever ever passed up to point out the many many defects of the RCC and the intellectual superiority of your modern atheist.
    Apparently it never becomes boring or tedious.
    If you spot a thread with religion in the title you only need to turn a few pages and there you'll find at least one. Giving us all a lesson in the evils of God botherers. Or thinking their all anarchic by calling God/Allah the spaghetti monster in the sky.
    Its like that fella at every party telling the same joke and laughing at himself.
    Yes I'm religious. I'm a happy confident person and I'm thank full to Jesus for the lovely life I've had. If your not religious that's great but as I've never ever been even remotely interested in whether or not anyone else believes in anything, I find it strange that anyone would feel the need to tell me how stupid they think I am.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Links234 wrote: »
    I think putting 'Catholic' on the census means about as much as liking something on facebook.

    But isn't the census where information used to calculate what ares get what ethos schools and whatnot is derived? I don't disagree with you on many things Links but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.


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