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Water meter protests

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  • #512
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    papu wrote: »
    I agree with you 100% I've no problems with the metering , and tbh I'm a little embarrassed at the so called protests..

    To be fair, most of them barely understand why they are protesting.

    They just see "new charge=BAD!" and roll with it.


  • #513
    papu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Some of them are not "protests" Its vicicious harassment and bullying.

    Exactly , and people sitting ontop of water meters on the street.

    The scaremongering concerning the meters themselves , the prevention of people going about their legal work , and the waste of garda resources.
    It's all pretty shameful stuff for a developed society.


  • #514
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    micosoft wrote: »
    Exactly. At 4.7% of GDP. This is unsustainable and if we don't reduce it as we are we either won't be able to borrow or the interest will shoot up.

    Aside from the moral issue of asking the next generation of taxpayers to pay for our current use of water...
    It's not about the water. You'd be a fool to think otherwise.


  • #515
    papu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    shedweller wrote: »
    It's not about the water. You'd be a fool to think otherwise.

    No i'm pretty sure they'll be charging for the water...


  • #516
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    papu wrote: »
    No i'm pretty sure they'll be charging for the water...

    oh dear


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  • #517
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    My brother in law works for Irish Water and him and the crew he works with had a gun pointed at them about 2 weeks ago.

    These protestors are despicable idiots.
    papu wrote: »
    Yeah , try taking out your phone to snap a picture when someone has a gun point at you fantastic plan.

    I've had many reasons to not bother with rte for various news items in recent years.

    I now have another.

    Seriously. The above 'news story', on it like a car bonnet springs to mind:cool:


  • #518
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    papu wrote: »
    No i'm pretty sure they'll be charging for the water...
    And you've missed completely the bit where they said they will raise prices when we cut down on water usage!
    Yes they will charge for water but they will charge us more if we use less!
    Wake up will ya!!
    This is bailout money. Nothing less.

    In fact, i'd respect them more if they just came out and said that instead of this sneaky sh1t over and over like we're a bunch of stupid cretins that can't read. Fukin disrespectful spineless bastards is what they are.


  • #519
    papu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    renegademaster wrote: »
    oh dear

    Next you're gonna tell me the ESB aren't charging me for electricity?


  • #520
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    Actually a lot of the people protesting have just been ordinary people. House wives in particular ..a lot of women...I know a few people involved. They are really people who have a certain political view and have the character to peacefully do something about it.

    Two people who have done them are friends of mine.

    I support them and it is important for this govt to know people are angry.

    The contract for these companies is very suss to me ....

    And at least they are doing something.


  • #521
    papu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    shedweller wrote: »
    And you've missed completely the bit where they said they will raise prices when we cut down on water usage!
    Yes they will charge for water but they will charge us more if we use less!
    Wake up will ya!!
    This is bailout money. Nothing less.

    In fact, i'd respect them more if they just came out and said that instead of this sneaky sh1t over and over like we're a bunch of stupid cretins that can't read. Fukin disrespectful spineless bastards is what they are.

    so what you propose is a completely flexible system that responds to the constant changing needs of the population , predicting trends and usages on the fly?
    Seriously go invent this , it sounds incredible .
    Sadly the real world doesn't work like this , X amount of water is treated , Y amount of people are hired to do a job , they need Z amount of money to pay for X and Y , the maths is pretty simple..


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  • #522
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    papu wrote: »
    so what you propose is a completely flexible system that responds to the constant changing needs of the population , predicting trends and usages on the fly?
    Seriously go invent this , it sounds incredible .
    Sadly the real world doesn't work like this , X amount of water is treated , Y amount of people are hired to do a job , they need Z amount of money to pay for X and Y , the maths is pretty simple..
    We have always paid for our water.


  • #523
    papu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    shedweller wrote: »
    We have always paid for our water.

    We've paid for the roads , did you picket the toll bridges?

    They're an awful lot of people who don't pay taxes but use water in this country. What's wrong with charging everyone? Business already have to pay for water.. did they throw up a fuss?


  • #524
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    shedweller wrote: »
    We have always paid for our water.

    We weren't paying enough which is why a ****-ton of perfectly good, already treated water is simply leaking into the ground due to ancient pipes that are no longer fit for purpose.


  • #525
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    We weren't paying enough which is why a ****-ton of perfectly good, already treated water is simply leaking into the ground due to ancient pipes that are no longer fit for purpose.
    So all this money will go to fixing the leaks then?
    Lets watch this space shall we?:pac:


  • #526
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    papu wrote: »
    We've paid for the roads , did you picket the toll bridges?

    They're an awful lot of people who don't pay taxes but use water in this country. What's wrong with charging everyone? Business already have to pay for water.. did they throw up a fuss?
    I did actually. I've even refused jobs back in the day because i would have lost a few weeks wages to the fukin things. My current home and job has me avoiding tolls most of the time, except for holidays down the country but i can live with that.
    Two or three weeks wages a year on tolls is a fools game!:D


  • #527
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    shedweller wrote: »
    It's not about the water. You'd be a fool to think otherwise.

    Maybe not all about the water - it was a condition of the bailout plan that we began metering, after all.

    However, the spiel given in the Irish Water leaflet is very true - we spend a ridiculous amount on providing water, and no incentive whatsoever is given to preserve or conserve its use. People ran their taps all night during cold weather a few years back to prevent freezing - when they should have insulated their pipes properly in the first place. Ludicrous behaviour.

    When you combine the above with the current situation where money is spent in excess only to maintain the status quo of truly terrible water provision in places outside Dublin, the idea of metering and the associated revenue being used to improve the infrastructure is very attractive.

    And hey, maybe not all the funds raised will go directly back into water provision - but if it's a €1.2 billion industry which through metering manages to fund itself and still pay for improvements then I'm all for it.

    Who knows, Ming might not have to parade around the European Parliament with a petri dish full of piss water after all.
    shedweller wrote: »
    Two or three weeks wages a year on tolls is a fools game!:D

    Would you say the same about the other costs of motoring? Is paying tax, NCT costs, insurance, or for fuel just as pointless? Toll roads are a resource you need to pay for, the state funded them by PPP. Do you think the money to build them grew on trees?


  • #528
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    sdeire wrote: »
    Maybe not all about the water - it was a condition of the bailout plan that we began metering, after all.

    exactly, so they should be honest about that fact
    sdeire wrote: »
    the spiel given in the Irish Water leaflet is very true - we spend a ridiculous amount on providing water, and no incentive whatsoever is given to preserve or conserve its use.

    apart from things like pools waterslides and so on that people can live without, most people need to use the amount of water they do
    sdeire wrote: »
    People ran their taps all night during cold weather a few years back to prevent freezing - when they should have insulated their pipes properly in the first place. Ludicrous behaviour.

    where do you think people are going to get the money to insulate their pipes? i'd love to know, leaving the taps on was a stupid idea but what else could people do, insulating pipes costs money that people don't have
    sdeire wrote: »
    Toll roads are a resource you need to pay for, the state funded them by PPP. Do you think the money to build them grew on trees?

    you don't need to pay for them, you can avoid them if you really want to, if you can't then you will need to pay, anyway most of the roads were way way overspecked, could have been done without PPP if they were dual carrige ways instead apart from dublin cork/dublin belfast

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #529
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    papu wrote: »
    Next you're gonna tell me the ESB aren't charging me for electricity?

    oh dear oh dear!!


  • #530
    [Deleted User]
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    Lou.m wrote: »
    I support them and it is important for this govt to know people are angry.

    Yes people are very angry that some are trying to prevent the country get back on its feet. Those housewives protesting, must surely know that you cannot keep borrowing just to get through the week. You budget your money carefully and live within your means. Ireland is trying to do this, but some can't or won't see that we as a country cannot continue to live beyond our means.


  • #531
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,720 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That stupid Charlie Haughey catchphrase has become very popular with some people.


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  • #532
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Tony EH wrote: »
    That stupid Charlie Haughey catchphrase has become very popular with some people.

    It's not a catchphrase, it's a logical statement.


  • #533
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Tony EH wrote: »
    That stupid Charlie Haughey catchphrase has become very popular with some people.
    I assume you mean some people who live within their means and wish others (Including their country) would do the same?
    I could quote Shakespere "Neither a borrower nor a lender be, For loan oft loses both itself and friend, And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry"
    Is that better?


  • #534
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,403 ✭✭✭emo72


    But countries don't live within budgets like households. The money is never paid back and is always owed. Sure look at America, they will never pay back their debt. It's colossal.

    We really shouldn't compare a household with a country. It's a bit bogus.


  • #535
    micosoft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭micosoft


    emo72 wrote: »
    But countries don't live within budgets like households. The money is never paid back and is always owed. Sure look at America, they will never pay back their debt. It's colossal.

    We really shouldn't compare a household with a country. It's a bit bogus.

    With that logic why tax at all? Just borrow for everything! Actually there is no logic in tyour bogus and unthought through statement at all.

    Countries borrow for infrastructure and roll it over. That is fair because the infrastructure benefits people over a prolonged period of time. It's not as if borrowing (which proportionally is far less then Ireland) for current Federal Government expenditure is not viewed as a massive problem and live political issue in the states.

    It's a bit like most people borrowing a mortgage to pay for their house which they get use of over their lifetime.

    But they don't get a mortgage to pay for their weekly shop (outside of the Tiger).

    And yes - Irish Water will be borrowing money for the long term investments. It's their billion plus operational costs they need to charge to people.


  • #536
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    There's one guy on my Facebook that comments on and likes all the water meter protest pages with support and the like. He's suddenly become very political in the last year. Has an opinion on everything that goes on in the country and how it should be.

    All this started pretty much when his flight touched down in Australia. Never heard a peepput of him on a political matter beforehand. There's a noticeable lack of water charge protest pages from Australia on his page too. He doesn't seem to mind paying for it there.


  • #537
    Hedgemeister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Hedgemeister


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    There's one guy on my Facebook that comments on and likes all the water meter protest pages with support and the like. He's suddenly become very political in the last year. Has an opinion on everything that goes on in the country and how it should be.

    All this started pretty much when his flight touched down in Australia. Never heard a peepput of him on a political matter beforehand. There's a noticeable lack of water charge protest pages from Australia on his page too. He doesn't seem to mind paying for it there.

    Yes, we Irish seem to get very, very, political (and Republican) when we leave the auld turf far behind us. Not as much as a squeak out of us while we're being ridden bareback at home. :p


  • #538
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    There's one guy on my Facebook that comments on and likes all the water meter protest pages with support and the like. He's suddenly become very political in the last year. Has an opinion on everything that goes on in the country and how it should be.

    All this started pretty much when his flight touched down in Australia. Never heard a peepput of him on a political matter beforehand. There's a noticeable lack of water charge protest pages from Australia on his page too. He doesn't seem to mind paying for it there.

    Australia is the driest country/continent on the planet.

    Comparing providing water to Australian homes (sourcing it, never mind delivering it due to its colossal size) to Ireland is laughable.

    I wonder if the Australians complain about their usc payments, or their mandatory motor tax payments?


  • #539
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Banjo String wrote: »
    their mandatory motor tax payments?

    Mandatory if you choose to own and car and use it on the roads. So mandatory in the same way bus tickets are mandatory.

    Do you reckon if he'd moved to a wet country he'd be protesting their water charges?if the only difference is that it's wet here then stick a barrel out your back to catch water and use that to drink and wash etc. Don't pay for water from the government if you don't want to.


  • #540
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Mandatory if you choose to own and car and use it on the roads. So mandatory in the same way bus tickets are mandatory.

    Do you reckon if he'd moved to a wet country he'd be protesting their water charges?if the only difference is that it's wet here then stick a barrel out your back to catch water and use that to drink and wash etc. Don't pay for water from the government if you don't want to.

    My point went over your head ref the motor tax.

    Check out how much they are charged compared to our motor taxation model.

    As for you friend protesting in Australia...... If he was complaining about water charges there, he'd be deserving of a kick in the stones tbh.


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  • #541
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Banjo String wrote: »

    I wonder if the Australians complain about their usc payments, or their mandatory motor tax payments?

    Maybe not, but they do complain about their ridiculously high cost of living.


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