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1500 Year Old Bible Confirms That Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe
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Well, to be honest Wibbs it's kind of draining having these types of discussions.
You're obviously an intelligent guy, yet some of your statements which you dress up as facts are wrong.
There are historical records and accounts outside of Arabia that talk about Muhammad (peace be upon him), a few in fact. Am i going to link them? No. Do i care if you believe me? No.
As for Genesis. That book is a lot more than just the story of creation (which i assume is what you were referring to). The book tells a detailed story of How Abraham (peace be upon him) was promised a progeny that would go on to form great nations, through the bloodlines of Isaac and Ishmael. As we have today! Today is the proof (not-a-mind the rest of the proof).
It might do you the world of good to read (about) it, if you haven't. Use that great intellect you've been blessed with to really consider this stuff. Religious education in this country unfortunately goes as far as telling a few stories about Jesus (pbuh), and ends there. But the narrative, wisdom and guidance goes waaaaaaaayy deeper than just Jesus.
Of course, those books have all been corrupted and manipulated in parts, but in general they are intact and convey the message and narrative clearly.
As for the creation part of Genesis. Well, time is relative and it changes as science has proven. In Islam the same story exists, except instead of 6 days, it's 6 ages. Even if it was days, a day to the One who created time and exists outside of it, could be as long as He likes.
This is tiring.
Claiming that it's dangerous to question to origins of the Qur'an is nonsense. I'm sure there are passionate Muslims out there, who disobey God and become aggressive, when we are ordered not to. That doesn't mean anyone is going to attack you or anyone who wishes to research history.
If someone denies the existence of Jesus and Muhammad, they are denying that yesterday even existed.
Where do you draw the line?
It's like the heap of sand paradox. If i had a heap of sand on a table and removed one grain, is it still a heap of sand?
yes.
okay, so if i kept on removing one grain at a time until there was only one grain left. Is that grain a heap of sand? Or does the concept of a heap of sand even exist?
These prophets are documented. There are divine and non divine accounts of them. Not only that but they're all related, through one family bloodline. The Bloodline of Abraham (pbuh).
Many of the stories can be verified either through historical accounts or through geological research (i'll explain later in a post i'm working on).
These stories exist for a reason. There's lessons and wisdom to be learnt from them. The prophets were sent for a reason. To guide.
Oh, and by the way i was doing a little reading on that giants thread you commented on. In the Qur'an God explains that He is expanding the earth. The Qur'an also mentions that early humans i.e. Adam (pbuh) were 60 cubits tall (90 feet i think). If the earth was smaller, the gravitational forces diminish, thus allowing for land creatures to big bigger e.g dinosaurs.
Here's a picture of an ancient crocodile skull and modern one
I was also reading about many scientists and geologists who have had their careers ruined for going public with findings that question accepted scientific principles, when it comes to ancient man.
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and then your last sentence in your post. You said you've no horse. Then insinuate that the gospel of Barnabus was written after the advent of Islam. Like one second you're being objective, then the next making what appear to be factual statements based on nothing. So clearly you have a dog.
Anyway dude, you have your beliefs. I'll have mine. These types of discussions drain me.
They are a level behind. I'm way past the stage of "is there a God". It's not even a question to me. It's a laughable question.
If you're so certain of your non beliefs then why are you always commenting on religion threads?
Like, to me it seems that all athiests, somewhere deep down are always unsure. So they have to reassure themselves by spitting their venom in all religious discussions. You're unsure and you feel uneasy, because belief is preprogrammed into you. Deep down you know you're doing something wrong, but you're blinded.
Every atheist chose not to believe in a specific moment in their life. Every believer has believed since the start!
Think about it.
Also think about why EVERY single culture, no matter how isolated, all worship something. It's innate in us. Scientific studies have proven this.
My words will most likely fall on your blind ears, but the truth will be made manifest soon enough.
The best thing you could do is sincerely seek the truth. Learn about the prophets. Who knows, maybe before you die you'll be the one who sees and God makes me the blind one. I hope and beg for Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He) not to reject me like that.
As for the whole warning you of damnation thing. It's part of my job. I have been commanded by our Creator, our Owner, and i try to follow the commands as best as i can.
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Oh there are a couple claimed to be external sources, however they don't pass much muster. EG the earliest, a side note in a Christian text has him alive and fighting a few years after his official death. Well it gives a version of what might be his name. His name itself is a difficult one as it's honourific in nature. Interestingly the internal Islamic texts and coins don't mention him for decades after his death either. The symbolism of the cross is strong in the early texts/coins too. Quite the number of early references see Islam as either idolaters or a heretical Christian sect. That said I'd not put much store in those sources as enemies aren't to be trusted.There are historical records and accounts outside of Arabia that talk about Muhammad (peace be upon him), a few in fact. Am i going to link them? No. Do i care if you believe me? No.
In that context yes.As for Genesis. That book is a lot more than just the story of creation (which i assume is what you were referring to).
Really? Or you could argue that both Jews and Muslims have had a not so great time of things. The Jews have been harried and vilified from pre Christian times onwards to the point where their actual extinction was planned and attempted. Islam after an amazing early flowering soon fell far behind Christian Europe. To the point where the first Quran wasn't printed in the Muslim world, but in Russia.The book tells a detailed story of How Abraham (peace be upon him) was promised a progeny that would go on to form great nations, through the bloodlines of Isaac and Ishmael. As we have today! Today is the proof (not-a-mind the rest of the proof).
Actually I was blessed(no pun) to be quite well educated in theological matters, both Christian and others. I found it an interesting area to study.It might do you the world of good to read (about) it, if you haven't. Use that great intellect you've been blessed with to really consider this stuff. Religious education in this country unfortunately goes as far as telling a few stories about Jesus (pbuh), and ends there. But the narrative, wisdom and guidance goes waaaaaaaayy deeper than just Jesus.
I would say if you want to delve into a longstanding and easily researched and visible conspiracy you could do worse than examine the evolution of the various religions and the characters within and how that was formed and set in stone and dissenting voices and evidence were quashed, sometimes brutally.
While the vast majority of Muslims wouldn't bat an eyelid, there exists enough among their number that questioning the historicity/evolution of the Quran or the narrative of Mohammed would be quite the dangerous thing to do publicly.That doesn't mean anyone is going to attack you or anyone who wishes to research history.
While personally I would believe that both individuals existed and no doubt some of the narratives are also historical, there is a lot of noise to signal going on.If someone denies the existence of Jesus and Muhammad, they are denying that yesterday even existed.
Few of the latter. What we know of both is almost entirely down to internal sources.These prophets are documented. There are divine and non divine accounts of them.
According to the internal sources. In the Christian narrative they conspire to get Jesus born in Nazareth(to make it fit prophecy) by the completely fictitious story of a Roman census. As for bloodlines, going by genetics and population size, you can bet there are a few million related to Abraham(who has not a single external source).Not only that but they're all related, through one family bloodline. The Bloodline of Abraham (pbuh).
Try geographical. Mecca which is supposed to have been a large trading centre well known among merchants exists in no maps or texts until well after Islam has spread. Indeed it's so far off the beaten track it would be like having an industrial estate in Greenland.Many of the stories can be verified either through historical accounts or through geological research (i'll explain later in a post i'm working on).
A) if the planet earth was smaller then yep the gravity would be less and that means you end up with the atmosphere flying off into space(among other problems). QV the planet Mars.Oh, and by the way i was doing a little reading on that giants thread you commented on. In the Qur'an God explains that He is expanding the earth. The Qur'an also mentions that early humans i.e. Adam (pbuh) were 60 cubits tall (90 feet i think). If the earth was smaller, the gravitational forces diminish, thus allowing for land creatures to big bigger e.g dinosaurs.
Here's a picture of an ancient crocodile skull and modern one
Gigantism can be supported in a number of ways. Water borne animals can afford to grow the largest because of the support of the medium. Secondly oxygen levels. Such levels were much higher than today back in for example the Cretaceous, so animals could afford to grow. It's one reason you couldn't have "Jurassic Park" today even if you could clone a T-rex. You'd need to give him a giant oxygen tank and a wooly jumper as the temperatures were higher too. Never mind the food bills. 
Oh that can happen alright.I was also reading about many scientists and geologists who have had their careers ruined for going public with findings that question accepted scientific principles, when it comes to ancient man.
Nope. The facts are the texts don't "fit" the timeline. This new one has yet to be carbon dated, but I'll bet you it's after Islam came along.and then your last sentence in your post. You said you've no horse. Then insinuate that the gospel of Barnabus was written after the advent of Islam. Like one second you're being objective, then the next making what appear to be factual statements based on nothing. So clearly you have a dog.
Actually I don't. I can't recall the last time I was in the Atheists and agnostics forum, much less posted. The last time I was in the Christian or Islamic or Whatever(Simpsons reference) forums could be counted in years ago.If you're so certain of your non beliefs then why are you always commenting on religion threads?
For a start I wouldn't label myself an Atheist. Agnostic yes. Ironically I dwell in the "unsure", it's just that my unsureness is applied to all. I have always had a suspicion of the "sure" of any hue. The man who is convinced he's right is to be worried about IMH.Like, to me it seems that all athiests, somewhere deep down are always unsure. So they have to reassure themselves by spitting their venom in all religious discussions. You're unsure and you feel uneasy, because belief is preprogrammed into you. Deep down you know you're doing something wrong, but you're blinded.
I know kids who were born to athiest/agnostic parents and they never believed. OK they might have believed in fairies and Santa Claus but they grew outa that. What anyone believes is entirely to do with the culture they're born into and later influences on that culture. Even those who convert from one to another. I have found that they were strong believers in the primary culturally infused religion, found it lacking in some way, but needed something else, a faith for their own spiritual health and transfered that to another that suited them more. There does exist a spiritual need in humans, though it varies and varies quite the bit between individuals. Its also variable in definition. So many scientist who would label as athiests if the thought about it all get a "spiritual" buzz from scientific knowledge.Every atheist chose not to believe in a specific moment in their life. Every believer has believed since the start!
Oh I agree, however I would question the conclusions some take from this. We modern humans seek meaning in existence. That has led to philosophy, science and religion. At one time they were all bound up together and over time they have diverged. We still all believe in something. It's just different somethings.Also think about why EVERY single culture, no matter how isolated, all worship something. It's innate in us. Scientific studies have proven this.
If one faith was the Real Deal(tm) then we'd all believe it or would have been exposed to it for the last 30+ 1000 years, yet nope. Actually if someone wanted to plug into and be a part of the oldest faith in existence, a faith that makes the Abrahamic religions, even Hinduism, look like they showed up last week, then they'd be animists/shamanists. Interestingly many tribal cultures found both Christianity and Islam attractive because they saw much of shamanistic vibes in both.
Anyway good to chat with you and as Dave Allen used to say, may your god go with you.Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.
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Bradley Weak Golf wrote: »The best misrepresentation I've heard so far.
The torah which was the law and the prophets. Then came the fulfillment of the law in Jesus Christ along with teachings of grace.
The quran, a book written by a man whose goal was to.... Well I'll leave that for you to decide. It certainly wasn't written to "FIX" the other books and was certainly not given by the God I serve.
Not being smart sister (i think) but you obviously have no real knowledge about Islam, and are just accepting the way it's being portrayed without making an informed opinion of your own. In case you hadn't noticed the threads about false flag terrorist attacks on your way in, and how all these terror suspects are linked with the shady MI6, CIA, mossad, ISI, FBI before any terror plot has played out.
To sum it up for you, the war on terror was a hoax, just as the war on drugs was before it. The hatred directed towards Muslims is exactly the same as the hatred directed towards commi's in the 80's. Terrorist attacks have no affiliation with real Islam.
While we're on the conspiracy threads, the truth is there is a war against Islam because it's the only thing left standing in the way. Way of what you ask? I'll let you figure that one out.Iseedeadpixels wrote: »Full of **** as usual, there has been no sign of God in modern times, you cant answer questions properly just dodge them, you claim he commands us owns us is the reason I eat etc yet does not strike me down when I joke about him, does nothing as his pets/slaves whatever we are kill each other, sits back and allows what you people deem to be sick/flawed people to be born.
I want you to answer these questions without reverting to goal post moving or dodging it.
1. He created us.....then why have we got so many genetic flaws?
2. Why has he not personally shown himself or his power in a meaningful way?
3. Why did he allow his priests abuse kids?
4. Where is heaven? Before modern science our spirits ascended to the sky.....but we know now theres a universe out there, so how do we get there?
I didn't dodge any question. I just answered it with a question.
No, God hasn't personally commanded me anything. He has laid out the law in divine books. Just like a judge didn't command you personally not to rob sweets from the corner shop, cause the law has been written already!
If you expect God to give you your very own divine book with all laws just for you, you might be waiting.
Ever consider that He doesn't strike you down because He's giving you a chance?
There are nothing but more and more signs of God lately. Prophecies are coming true left, right and centre.
And in quicker succession too. It seems like there's something new happening every week now.
Time is going so fast, it seems like everything is all converging. I've been following this stuff for the past few years and it seems as though everything is coming to a head. My perspective is one from a Christian/Muslim standpoint. The prophecies in both religions are about 90% fulfilled.
God tells us He made different nations, as part of the test. To see how we interact. If a person blindly hates another person because they are a different religion, that = failing the test. God says it would have been easy for Him to make one religion and one nation for the whole world, but He didn't on purpose. So the "pets/slaves" who kill each other will have no place in the afterlife. There's not much justice in this world. The next one will be complete truth and justice, i can't freakin wait
1. Genetic flaw. Not everyone has flaws. But the people who are born disabled etc are tested, and likewise their guardians are tested. This life is nothing but suffering and injustice for most. That's why it's so short. A little suffering, if you're patient and grateful, it'll all pay off.
2. I don't know what you mean by meaningful. But why He hasn't shown Himself? Well, if you could see God taking up half the horizon, would you ever put a foot wrong? You're just about to pocket that pack of jelly tots from the corner store, and you look up and He's there staring at you and pointing to the hellfire. Would you still rob them?
Course you wouldn't. In my opinion He doesn't show Himself as part of the test, to see who will obey and who wont. Only God knows the truth.
3. His priests are no different than any other men. They don't have any special attributes. The reason some priests have done evil things is because the Catholic Church incorporated has forbidden priests to marry. If a priest was to marry, his kids would inherit his property. By forbidding priests to marry, when they die, the property goes back to the Church.
In Islam the priests (and everyone) are encouraged to marry. God tells us that the three basic instincts of a human is eating, drinking and sex. So when you deny a man sex, bad things happen. It is forbidden for a Muslim to lead a monotheistic life (a life like a monk). A Muslim should marry, be sociable, do business, engage with society etc.
4. How do we get to heaven? That's a bloody good question. If i knew i'd be gone already... I don't know the directions, but i know the instructions. Believe. Pray. Do good. Give charity. Promote what is right and forbid what is wrong. Observe the rights of others. The rights of the poor over you. The rights of your parents over you. The rights of your spouse. The instructions can be found when you read about it. When you follow them your life starts to change dramatically. I swear. You wouldn't believe the way things change.
As they say; only the victors write historyThat said I'd not put much store in those sources as enemies aren't to be trusted.
I can't rightly remember the history of the first printing press, China or somewhere. Regardless, the first Qur'an was compiled by the first Caliph Abu Bakr (RA) after the death of Muhammad (SAW). Islam sparked the renaissance here. You're obviously well read, but unfortunately most people don't realise what that part of the world has contributed. The media portrays Islamic countries as backwards, and fail to acknowledge the first of pretty much everything came from there. Universities, hospitals, astronomers, artists, architects, and on and on. Even the numbers we use 1 to 10, are Arabic numerals. People are so ignorant to this knowledge.In that context yes. Really? Or you could argue that both Jews and Muslims have had a not so great time of things. The Jews have been harried and vilified from pre Christian times onwards to the point where their actual extinction was planned and attempted. Islam after an amazing early flowering soon fell far behind Christian Europe. To the point where the first Quran wasn't printed in the Muslim world, but in Russia.
It's sad that you swap reality for conspiracy, and conspiracy for reality.I would say if you want to delve into a longstanding and easily researched and visible conspiracy you could do worse than examine the evolution of the various religions and the characters within and how that was formed and set in stone and dissenting voices and evidence were quashed, sometimes brutally.
Man, if you can't see how zionists rule the world, you are absolutely blind beyond reason.
"anything with the word protocols is nonsense" you said.
Forget theology, if you learnt about what happened to the Jews throughout antiquity. You would know that they have been punished for disobeying direct commands from God time and time again. They have been exiled a few times. They have been prohibited food that was once lawful to them. They have been punished countless times.
Now, my point you ask? Well, the zionist movement was formed a hundred or so years ago, for the main purpose of establishing a Jewish homeland. The only problem is God has commanded the Jews NOT to establish their own country until the advent of the messiah. So basically these zionists have been directly disobeying God since 1948. And most worryingly, they haven't been punished.
The Bible refers to these Jews as "fake Jews" and "the synagogue of satan".
Oh and a few weeks ago they announced they will soon be making cash money illegal!
Not to mention rivers turning red all over the world for the past 2 years.
And of course the Pope's ground breaking visit to Israel last week, and all the things that transpired from that. Among which was the Qur'an being read for the first time in the Vatican.
Along with over a hundred other prophecies that have come true in the last few decades, between all the true religions.
Or the strange (still unexplained) trumpet sounds heard all over the world last year. Including Ireland. Another prophecy. The first trumpet as a warning. The second to signal the beginning of the end.
Not to mention the scores of omens and other non divine prophecies like the Irish St. Malachi predicting this pope is the last.
And Rabbi Kaduri's prophecy a few months ago, concerning Areal Sharon (an earthquake happened just as they were lowering him into the ground, so vile the earth doesn't even accept him). And Rabbi Kaduri is a kabbalist Jew. A Jew who does magic, even though magic is prohibited by God.
I could really go on and on. Of course your zionist controlled telly wont tell you any of this stuff. On the contrary it's imperative to their plan that you remain completely ignorant to these happenings. Their plan is almost complete. Their "cup of iniquity" is nearly full.
I wouldn't be rambling here only that i feel so sorry for people. The rude awaking is around the corner. Not many will be prepared.
You've got a wrong impression of Muslims. If you were sincere, you would be debated and/or disregarded.While the vast majority of Muslims wouldn't bat an eyelid, there exists enough among their number that questioning the historicity/evolution of the Quran or the narrative of Mohammed would be quite the dangerous thing to do publicly.
I know you're naturally sceptical, and that's fine. But for me, i believe nothing for certainty except the Qur'an. What ever it says i consider truer than true. I believe it more than i believe myself.Few of the latter. What we know of both is almost entirely down to internal sources. According to the internal sources. In the Christian narrative they conspire to get Jesus born in Nazareth(to make it fit prophecy) by the completely fictitious story of a Roman census. As for bloodlines, going by genetics and population size, you can bet there are a few million related to Abraham(who has not a single external source).
Absolutely, Abraham was promised to be the father of massive nations. Most every born Muslim, Christian and Jew in the world are of his seed.
Woops, yea i meant geographical lol. Actually i don't think Mecca was a big trading centre. I know a lot of trade was generated from pilgrims (even before Islam), but other than that i don't believe it was frequented all that often for business. As you said, it's off the main highways and business routes.Try geographical. Mecca which is supposed to have been a large trading centre well known among merchants exists in no maps or texts until well after Islam has spread. Indeed it's so far off the beaten track it would be like having an industrial estate in Greenland.
lol, awe would ya look at the adorablesaur.. That's about to eat us whole.A) if the planet earth was smaller then yep the gravity would be less and that means you end up with the atmosphere flying off into space(among other problems). QV the planet Mars. Gigantism can be supported in a number of ways. Water borne animals can afford to grow the largest because of the support of the medium. Secondly oxygen levels. Such levels were much higher than today back in for example the Cretaceous, so animals could afford to grow. It's one reason you couldn't have "Jurassic Park" today even if you could clone a T-rex. You'd need to give him a giant oxygen tank and a wooly jumper as the temperatures were higher too. Never mind the food bills.
Well, God says the earth expanded, so to me that means the earth expanded!
It makes sense too, a lot more than continental drift. I don't refute that continental drift happens, but it seems much more likely that the continents stretched apart rather than drifted apart. The plates can't drift apart when they're all floating side by side. They can crush each other by a few mm every year. But float away across the globe? Chyeah, not logical or likely. Even over the course of billions of years.
The Spanish and Italian texts maybe. We must learn more about this "original" textNope. The facts are the texts don't "fit" the timeline. This new one has yet to be carbon dated, but I'll bet you it's after Islam came along.
So far, it's looking good from my end.
Sorry for saying you were spitting venom. But when i see people always trying to crush beliefs, it vexes me. Not that you were doing that. But that's just the way i saw it. I'm so used to seeing it. People are gone so shy to even talk about God. It really says a lot about where we are.Actually I don't. I can't recall the last time I was in the Atheists and agnostics forum, much less posted. The last time I was in the Christian or Islamic or Whatever(Simpsons reference) forums could be counted in years ago.
For a start I wouldn't label myself an Atheist. Agnostic yes. Ironically I dwell in the "unsure", it's just that my unsureness is applied to all. I have always had a suspicion of the "sure" of any hue. The man who is convinced he's right is to be worried about IMH.
Funny that because i have a cousin who was born into a completely atheist house, who is now a priestI know kids who were born to athiest/agnostic parents and they never believed. OK they might have believed in fairies and Santa Claus but they grew outa that. What anyone believes is entirely to do with the culture they're born into and later influences on that culture. Even those who convert from one to another. I have found that they were strong believers in the primary culturally infused religion, found it lacking in some way, but needed something else, a faith for their own spiritual health and transfered that to another that suited them more. There does exist a spiritual need in humans, though it varies and varies quite the bit between individuals. Its also variable in definition. So many scientist who would label as athiests if the thought about it all get a "spiritual" buzz from scientific knowledge.
I disagree that a culture is what determines whether a person believes or not. From what i've read, it's innate. Every baby is born as a believer. As you said, everyone has a spiritual thirst. I wonder how many lost Godless Americans have blown their brains out listening to Enya. She's supposedly huge over there. They say music is food for the soul. I say that's lies from the satans. None the less people have needs. So some take Enya supplements to satiate those needs, until the desired affect wears off. You need God more than God needs you. He needs nothing.
Science and religion go hand in hand in Islam. Islam is pro-evolution. God told us directly that all life here originated from water.Oh I agree, however I would question the conclusions some take from this. We modern humans seek meaning in existence. That has led to philosophy, science and religion. At one time they were all bound up together and over time they have diverged. We still all believe in something. It's just different somethings.
Here, allow me to link a good video i saw earlier.If one faith was the Real Deal(tm) then we'd all believe it or would have been exposed to it for the last 30+ 1000 years, yet nope. Actually if someone wanted to plug into and be a part of the oldest faith in existence, a faith that makes the Abrahamic religions, even Hinduism, look like they showed up last week, then they'd be animists/shamanists. Interestingly many tribal cultures found both Christianity and Islam attractive because they saw much of shamanistic vibes in both.
Anyway good to chat with you and as Dave Allen used to say, may your god go with you.
One faith is the real deal. It's the faith that 60,000 people join everyday while all other faiths are dying, dwindling, fading out of existence.
It's literally a perfect religion. But it seems like it's camoflauged so most don't see it for what it really is.
In the end Jesus (pbuh) will establish it all over the world. After he breaks the crusafix (an idol, forbidden in Christianity) and commands his followers to SUBMIT to One God.
Look up the Arabic word for submission.
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Not being smart sister (i think) but you obviously have no real knowledge about Islam, and are just accepting the way it's being portrayed without making an informed opinion of your own. In case you hadn't noticed the threads about false flag terrorist attacks on your way in, and how all these terror suspects are linked with the shady MI6, CIA, mossad, ISI, FBI before any terror plot has played out.
To sum it up for you, the war on terror was a hoax, just as the war on drugs was before it. The hatred directed towards Muslims is exactly the same as the hatred directed towards commi's in the 80's. Terrorist attacks have no affiliation with real Islam.
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Firstly, I'm no ones sister Secondly, Ive a lot of friends who converted from Islam to Christianity and know their father very well who happens to be an Immam. So I know a fair bit about Islam.
As for terrorists.is it just me or are there a lot of peaceful muslim jihadists in the news recently. ..but I'm sure its just an FBI conspiracy.:D0 -
Bradley Weak Golf wrote: »Firstly, I'm no ones sister Secondly, Ive a lot of friends who converted from Islam to Christianity and know their father very well who happens to be an Immam. So I know a fair bit about Islam.
As for terrorists.is it just me or are there a lot of peaceful muslim jihadists in the news recently. ..but I'm sure its just an FBI conspiracy.:D
Knowing Muslims does not = Knowing Islam.
Especially if the Muslims you know are non Muslim lol.
What's happening in Iraq is not what's been portrayed on the media.
ISIS play a tiny role overall. I'm not going to even go into the detail because its so complex. It involves about 7 different countries. It's a proxy war without any battlefield. All sides being funded by different countries all for ulterior motives. It's highly complex, but if you try to find alternative media journalists, who actually have sources of Iraqi's in Iraq, you get a better understanding. Corporate media should only be watched/read to keep up to date with the propaganda they're pushing. Know your enemy sort of thing.
Terrorist and Jihadist are not the same thing.
Explain to me how simple Afghanistani farmers and shepherds BEAT one of the worlds superpowers in the 80's, when Russians invaded Afghanistan. The people had nothing, just simple people living off the land. Some of them living in remote areas didn't even have electricity, nor had they any desire for it.
When the Russians invaded, the righteous believers who obey Gods commands, understood they must perform JIHAD as commanded by God, to defend their families and their lands.
By Allah's permission (Glorified and Exalted be He) and with His ability. Simple farmers became Mujahideen (soldiers of God) armed with sticks and stones AND YET THEY BEAT 1000'S OF TANKS, BOMBERS, FIGHTER JETS AND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HOSTILE AGGRESSIVE SOLDIERS. Armed only with sticks and an unflinching belief and trust in God.
God will always be on the side of those oppressed and against the aggressors.
Twenty years later, they give the Americans the same dose. How can simple farmers with no technology or weapons, not be destroyed by the worlds mightiest armed forces with trillions of dollars invested in every aspect of war?
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There is that strong tendency alright.As they say; only the victors write history
Actually they're Indian numbers. IIRC that's how they're described in Arabic. They came up with the system, the Islamic world adopted it and from there it spread to Europe. As for "the first of pretty much everything came from there" that's a very real stretch. The aforementioned Indians, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Babylonians and a long list of others got there long before the Islamic world. For a start the early flowering of the Islamic world owed a lot to the Greeks. They had access to literature and learning that was temporarily lost to the west after the fall of Rome. That is not to take away from the real high point of human culture that was the early Islamic world, but some level of reality and balance has to be brought to bear.The media portrays Islamic countries as backwards, and fail to acknowledge the first of pretty much everything came from there. Universities, hospitals, astronomers, artists, architects, and on and on. Even the numbers we use 1 to 10, are Arabic numerals. People are so ignorant to this knowledge.
Oh man oh man. Now it gets interesting... If we add "elders" to "protocols" the nonsense will become staggering.It's sad that you swap reality for conspiracy, and conspiracy for reality.
Man, if you can't see how zionists rule the world, you are absolutely blind beyond reason.
"anything with the word protocols is nonsense" you said.
1) you could make that claim of many peoples. 2) Much of their "punishment" came at the hands of those who used them as a scapegoat, Christianity being one.Forget theology, if you learnt about what happened to the Jews throughout antiquity. You would know that they have been punished for disobeying direct commands from God time and time again. They have been exiled a few times. They have been prohibited food that was once lawful to them. They have been punished countless times.
Given the centuries of pogroms and persecution culminiating in a mass slaughter of those who happened to be born Jewish maybe this god is working backwards through time...So basically these zionists have been directly disobeying God since 1948. And most worryingly, they haven't been punished.
Missed that one.Not to mention rivers turning red all over the world for the past 2 years.
We're through the looking glass folks.Along with over a hundred other prophecies that have come true in the last few decades, between all the true religions.
Or the strange (still unexplained) trumpet sounds heard all over the world last year. Including Ireland. Another prophecy. The first trumpet as a warning. The second to signal the beginning of the end.
Not to mention the scores of omens and other non divine prophecies like the Irish St. Malachi predicting this pope is the last.
Riiiight. Like there isn't a long list of examples of self proclaimed Muslims threatening with death or actually killing people for what they see as blasphemy? Maybe they're not real Muslims? OK, but there seem to be enough of them reading the same teachings and book and getting a very different angle from the whole thing. Enough of them to be very wary of.You've got a wrong impression of Muslims. If you were sincere, you would be debated and/or disregarded.
Whatever genetic connection those of a Middle Eastern ancestry might have to one man/familial line, beyond those areas the link would be tiny, if not nil for most in Europe, especially northwest Europe. I'd have more Neandertal DNA than Arab. Oh hang on, maybe this isn't looking so good...Absolutely, Abraham was promised to be the father of massive nations. Most every born Muslim, Christian and Jew in the world are of his seed.
While the tektonic theory is actually quite new, it's surprisingly so as the evidence for it is incredibly clear to one's own eyes. Earth expansion? Well the big problem there is one of where did the material come from to expand it? A planet isn't a balloon.Well, God says the earth expanded, so to me that means the earth expanded!
It makes sense too, a lot more than continental drift. I don't refute that continental drift happens, but it seems much more likely that the continents stretched apart rather than drifted apart. The plates can't drift apart when they're all floating side by side. They can crush each other by a few mm every year. But float away across the globe? Chyeah, not logical or likely. Even over the course of billions of years.
It may be innate, but what someone believes is entirely cultural. If someone is born in the Amazon rainforest they're not going to be a Hindu.I disagree that a culture is what determines whether a person believes or not. From what i've read, it's innate.
Not entirely unjustified. I'd be pretty suicidal if I was forced to listen to her for very long.I wonder how many lost Godless Americans have blown their brains out listening to Enya.
There goes Mozart, Bach, Beethoven to name but three. It seems the devil does have the best tunes.They say music is food for the soul. I say that's lies from the satans.Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.
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There is that strong tendency alright.
Actually they're Indian numbers. IIRC that's how they're described in Arabic. They came up with the system, the Islamic world adopted it and from there it spread to Europe. As for "the first of pretty much everything came from there" that's a very real stretch. The aforementioned Indians, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Babylonians and a long list of others got there long before the Islamic world. For a start the early flowering of the Islamic world owed a lot to the Greeks. They had access to literature and learning that was temporarily lost to the west after the fall of Rome. That is not to take away from the real high point of human culture that was the early Islamic world, but some level of reality and balance has to be brought to bear.
I wasn't talking about the rise of Islam. I was talking about "that part of the world" in general. Including Babylon, India, Egypt. Even though they're three different districts. My point was people have a very short memory.
Arabic-Indic numerals. Arabic-Hindu numerals. Their all connected. From a very quick read through wikipedia it says the early system we us today originated from Babylon (Iraq), then evolved over the course of time and area.
Blind. I mean it's not even conspiracy anymore. Really, it's not. There are verifiable facts that you can look up. Their plan is in full fruition. They control your money and financial and insurance institutions. They control the IMF through the BIS which disobeys God and practices usury. In Christianity, Judaism and Islam, charging interest is illegal. The only religion that obeys God is Islam. No banks in the Islamic world charge interest. The Catholic church changed the laws on usury, when they were infiltrated by the early crypto-Jewish crime/money lending family from Venice, named the De Medici family. They grew in power due to their illegally acquired wealth and actually managed to get three of their own family appointed as Popes!Oh man oh man. Now it gets interesting... If we add "elders" to "protocols" the nonsense will become staggering.
They also control/own Hollywood, and are directly responsible for the fornication promoting demoralising filth that comes out of it. By design. Slowly but surely movies are getting more violent, more sexually charged, more vulgarity. Compare one Hollywood movie from every decade and you can see their insidious plan. The slow progression and promotion of everything God has prohibited.
Blind.
They own the music industry - same story as the entertainment industry above.
They own the "news" and media industry. They own Reuters, the company that provided nearly all mainstream news agencies with their headlines.
When they declare someone an enemy, the whole world swallows it without question. Time and time again.
They also own the pharmeucitical companies, and are behind all this fraudulent mental medication. 1 in 4 in the US are on anti depressants. The criteria for being diagnosed with depression doesn't exist. Only recently has it been classed as a "disease" when there's no proof of that. The guy who came up with ADHD apparently said it was a hoax on his death bed.
They own biological companies, namely monsanto, who are pushing for highly dangerous GMO food to be produced. They already sell it in the US and they don't even have to label it.
They own the Justice system in the US. They have taken it over. It's members, and top judges go through a revolving door, one year in high paid jobs in any of the companies mentioned above, or in other government bodies, such as the FDA which approves these drugs. Then the next year the same people are Judges and law makers, writing and passing laws to suit these corporations. It's called a conflict of interest, and it's real, and it's happening, and anyone can independently verify it.
The same family names come up again and again in all these different aspects of society.
They own the energy companies. By the way free energy exists, and has for over a hundred years. Only lately has God allowed these machines to be made more known. It might be a sign things are going to get real soon. If you want to follow the progression of free energy development look up QEG. Tesla, the father of the 21st century, one of the greatest inventors and minds in history invented free energy technology. Mysteriously no one EVER learns about him in school!!!! Ask yourself why. Blind.
I could go on.
I might as well.
They are responsible for mass immigration (destroying cultures), homosexuality promotion (destroying morals) and all these feminist movements (destroying the family).
They own/blackmail/bribe all politicians, if they can't they murder them. Look up any of the world leaders to die mysteriously or who were assassinated and see what they were opposed to.. The latest was Hugo Chavez. The media spins and smears his name, cause they own the media, but it's so clear he was murdered. He said it himself that they were trying to kill him.
I could really go on and on, with stuff that u can verify. You can look this stuff up. You can go to official sites and see lists of boards of members, and notice the same names crop up again and again.
the protocols of the elders of zion is coming true right before your eyes. Hell, it has come true. They just haven't gone public yet. They have succeeded in making making entire countries behave like animals, where decadence, waste, selfishness, greed and money are the peoples gods. This is written. This is planned. It's also prophesied.
Blind if you can't see.1) you could make that claim of many peoples. 2) Much of their "punishment" came at the hands of those who used them as a scapegoat, Christianity being one.
I'm talking about many cases before the advent of Christianity. Many peoples aren't the chosen people. The chosen people are the Jews. That title is what makes them arrogant. That's part of the reason the protocols exist. They are so misguided by satans. Nevertheless, they are the chosen people. That doesn't make anyone else a lesser human being though.Given the centuries of pogroms and persecution culminiating in a mass slaughter of those who happened to be born Jewish maybe this god is working backwards through time...
dunno.
You've missed a lot Wibbs.Missed that one.
Give what i'm saying consideration, or don't. Not my problem.We're through the looking glass folks.Riiiight. Like there isn't a long list of examples of self proclaimed Muslims threatening with death or actually killing people for what they see as blasphemy? Maybe they're not real Muslims? OK, but there seem to be enough of them reading the same teachings and book and getting a very different angle from the whole thing. Enough of them to be very wary of.
You have had no such experience in your life!!! This is a fact. You're being manipulated and lied to. No doubt there are extremists. Equivalent to a drop in the ocean. Quarter of the world are Muslim. Nothing to fear from any 99.999999% of Muslims. Fear is the order of the day. Using fear they can manipulate you beyond your imagination.Whatever genetic connection those of a Middle Eastern ancestry might have to one man/familial line, beyond those areas the link would be tiny, if not nil for most in Europe, especially northwest Europe. I'd have more Neandertal DNA than Arab. Oh hang on, maybe this isn't looking so good...
LOL hahahah... I adopt you, son xWhile the tektonic theory is actually quite new, it's surprisingly so as the evidence for it is incredibly clear to one's own eyes. Earth expansion? Well the big problem there is one of where did the material come from to expand it? A planet isn't a balloon.
Material can change properties. Especially with intense heat. Volume increase, mass stays the same. Put marchmallows in the microwave and see what happens. Maybe the core of the earth is made of marshmallaws xD..
Anyway, volume increase with no mass increase would also mean the gravity would remain the same, thus no fly away atmosphere you were concerned about, even if the earth were smaller (in volume).
The more i think about it, the more it seems like the earth did/is expanding.
Fair point so. My point though was not about specific beliefs, but just belief itself.It may be innate, but what someone believes is entirely cultural. If someone is born in the Amazon rainforest they're not going to be a Hindu.Not entirely unjustified. I'd be pretty suicidal if I was forced to listen to her for very long.
lol, but do you see my point? In a society void of God, people turn to "spiritual" music, drugs (recreational and medicinal) and lastly suicide.
The highest suicide rates in Europe are all in atheist countries (scandanavia).
As for psychology and psychiatry, those very professions have the highest suicide rates. A lot of modern science based on the subject has dubious origins. Sigmund Freud and his relatives (all ashkenazi [khazar] Jews by the way). They are the ones who studied and taught about mass manipulation and mass psychology. It's very interesting. The same methods are being put into practice all around the world.
Say BAAAAAAAaaaaaaa-blind
Music, it's origins. In religion we're told that...There goes Mozart, Bach, Beethoven to name but three. It seems the devil does have the best tunes.
I love music, but no doubt it takes you away from the remembrance of God. If you're not careful it can consume you entirely where your life is one big empty never ending pursuit of ever evolving music.
It can take u over. I used to listen to music 14 hours a day. My days were spent consuming it, little did i realise it was consuming me.
I still get tempted by it, but at least now i can recognise the danger.
Take heed. Take the piss. Couldn't care less horse.0 -
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