Eircom eFibre VDSL/FTTC rollout – plans to reach 1.6m premises by mid 2016

ED E · 15-06-2014 02:19PM

bk wrote: »

They have to get permission from Comreg and I believe there is a lot of opposition to it from all the other operators.

Its complex as currently exchanges have LLU and multiple dslams(in bigger exchanges). These procedures and hand offs are heavily regulated. Thus in adding vdsl cabs but keeping the AXEs the procedures all have to be agreed on again.

Cantona's Collars · 15-06-2014 09:16PM

There had been problems reported in getting the Eastern side of Enniscorthy onto fibre but it seems all that's solved now.Looks like the whole town is fibre enabled.The thing that's puzzling to me is the amount of people who still haven't upgraded from standard DSL.

jca · 16-06-2014 03:01AM

zerks wrote: »

There had been problems reported in getting the Eastern side of Enniscorthy onto fibre but it seems all that's solved now.Looks like the whole town is fibre enabled.The thing that's puzzling to me is the amount of people who still haven't upgraded from standard DSL.

Have they put vdsl gear in the exchange? Almost all the east side of the town is directly connected to the exchange. I don't bother trying to tell people about the dramatic difference vdsl makes, it's just a waste of time.

Praetorian · 16-06-2014 08:23AM

Only a few exchanges have vdsl gear active in exchanges. 4 trial exchanges. It's going to be a few months before comreg make a decision and then a good number of months before a countrywide rollout makes some headway.

MBSnr · 16-06-2014 09:37AM

Praetorian wrote: »

Only a few exchanges have vdsl gear active in exchanges. 4 trial exchanges. It's going to be a few months before comreg make a decision and then a good number of months before a countrywide rollout makes some headway.

I find it fairly unbelievable that this hasn't already been resolved and they can't push ahead with the exchange roll out.... I mean it's not like Comreg weren't expecting it to happen at some point...

Oh wait - they probably weren't - it's Comreg after all.... :eek:

nilhg · 16-06-2014 09:42AM

mightyreds wrote: »

I'm in robertstown it's not even showing on the map but they have the cabinet in and are working on it every second day

Cabs in Robertstown, Allenwood, Kilmeague and Coill Dubh are on the map here,

http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/Our_Network/

click on nga map and then on all.

All the above areas are on the efibre map page too but so small you'd hardly see them.

bk · 16-06-2014 10:40AM

MBSnr wrote: »

I find it fairly unbelievable that this hasn't already been resolved and they can't push ahead with the exchange roll out.... I mean it's not like Comreg weren't expecting it to happen at some point...

Oh wait - they probably weren't - it's Comreg after all.... :eek:

ED_E explains it very well above:

Its complex as currently exchanges have LLU and multiple dslams(in bigger exchanges). These procedures and hand offs are heavily regulated. Thus in adding vdsl cabs but keeping the AXEs the procedures all have to be agreed on again.

The other operators all have significant objections and complaints with it, it isn't straight forward at all. And it isn't really Comreg's fault, it is Eircom's fault for not starting this process earlier and working with the OLO's

However I don't really blame Eircom for that either, after all it was much easier for them to just target the low hanging fruit of the majority of users first.

We just have to be patient.

mightyreds · 16-06-2014 11:00AM

nilhg wrote: »

Cabs in Robertstown, Allenwood, Kilmeague and Coill Dubh are on the map here,

http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/Our_Network/

click on nga map and then on all.

All the above areas are on the efibre map page too but so small you'd hardly see them.

Thanks when i clicked on all it brought up the date summer or autumn thought it would be close they are working out here all the time lately

AlanS181824 · 16-06-2014 02:43PM

Higher downstream SNR is better right?

Because mind seems to keep rising!

ED E · 16-06-2014 02:55PM

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Higher downstream SNR is better right?

Because mind seems to keep rising!

Attenuation: Lower is better
SNR: Higher is better

MBSnr wrote: »

I find it fairly unbelievable that this hasn't already been resolved and they can't push ahead with the exchange roll out.... I mean it's not like Comreg weren't expecting it to happen at some point...

Oh wait - they probably weren't - it's Comreg after all.... :eek:

My suspicion is sky will fight exchange VDSL as much as possible as that'll put them even more behind the times. This will further slow the process.

Regulatory things take time, and exchange VDSL is far less of an improvement than FTTC, so why bother rushing it. Better to work on getting planning permission from all the county councils.

EDIT: This doesnt make as much sense as I thought it did, as sky seem to want everyone else to pay KN's wages. May just be slow bureaucracy.

AlanS181824 · 16-06-2014 03:00PM

ED E wrote: »

Attenuation: Lower is better
SNR: Higher is better

Thanks as always ED E!

I remembered it was better for one of them to be lower and the other higher but couldn't remember which one it was :P

Won't effect me as I sync at 100/20 but still it's interesting to see it rising.

murphaph · 16-06-2014 06:50PM

MBSnr wrote: »

I find it fairly unbelievable that this hasn't already been resolved and they can't push ahead with the exchange roll out.... I mean it's not like Comreg weren't expecting it to happen at some point...

Oh wait - they probably weren't - it's Comreg after all.... :eek:

Be thankful Vectoring was approved in Ireland. It caused major delays in Germany because of the problems with local loop unbundling and the Regulator. It is still not available here apart from in trial areas.

MBSnr · 17-06-2014 09:04AM

murphaph wrote: »

Be thankful Vectoring was approved in Ireland. It caused major delays in Germany because of the problems with local loop unbundling and the Regulator. It is still not available here apart from in trial areas.

Wow - that is surprising.

Dero · 17-06-2014 11:24AM

long_b wrote: »

Looks like they've updated the rollout map.

The Curragh bumped from June to July .. nnnngggghhhh

Hey long_b. As far as I can remember, you're in Martinstown, like myself. The closest efibre cabinet to us seems to be Cut Bush, which is ~3.2km from me. I think technically, VDSL2 should be similar to ADSL2+ at that distance (~8Mb), but would Eircom even allow us to avail at that distance?

It's always possible that they may put a cabinet out at Martinstown cross, but that's very unlikely I'd say, unless you have heard differently?

Regards,
Derek.

OneEightSeven · 17-06-2014 11:41AM

Dero wrote: »

Hey long_b. As far as I can remember, you're in Martinstown, like myself. The closest efibre cabinet to us seems to be Cut Bush, which is ~3.2km from me. I think technically, VDSL2 should be similar to ADSL2+ at that distance (~8Mb), but would Eircom even allow us to avail at that distance?

It's always possible that they may put a cabinet out at Martinstown cross, but that's very unlikely I'd say, unless you have heard differently?

Regards,
Derek.

I don't think you avail of VDSL2 at more than 2.0km.

Dero · 17-06-2014 11:54AM

OneEightSeven wrote: »

I don't think you avail of VDSL2 at more than 2.0km.

Well that's why I'm asking would they allow it. According to this, VDSL2 can be used up to 4-5km. So the question is if you're further then 2km from a cabinet, will Eircom artificially restict you from getting ADSL2+ equivalent connection performance where you wouldn't otherwise get any connection?

Wikipedia wrote:

Starting from 1.6 km (0.99 mi) its performance is equal to ADSL2+.

ADSL-like long reach performance is one of the key advantages of VDSL2. LR-VDSL2 enabled systems are capable of supporting speeds of around 1–4 Mbit/s (downstream) over distances of 4–5 km (2.5–3 miles), gradually increasing the bit rate up to symmetric 100 Mbit/s as loop-length shortens. This means that VDSL2-based systems, unlike VDSL systems, are not limited to short local loops or MTU/MDUs only, but can also be used for medium range applications.

ED E · 17-06-2014 11:57AM

They arent doing ADSL2+ from VDSL2 DSLAMs yet(if ever). And if you dont reach 7Mb VDSL prequal you cant order it. That means up to 2-2.2km ish depending on cabling.

OneEightSeven · 17-06-2014 12:08PM

ED E wrote: »

They arent doing ADSL2+ from VDSL2 DSLAMs yet(if ever). And if you dont reach 7Mb VDSL prequal you cant order it. That means up to 2-2.2km ish depending on cabling.

Isn't there a list of VDSL profiles and the distance beside from the cabinet them on some pdf file? I tried looking on Google but nothing.

Dero · 17-06-2014 12:12PM

ED E wrote: »

They arent doing ADSL2+ from VDSL2 DSLAMs yet(if ever). And if you dont reach 7Mb VDSL prequal you cant order it. That means up to 2-2.2km ish depending on cabling.

Yeah, I know it isn't ADSL2+, I just meant an equivalent performance. Thank you for the 7Mb prequal info though. I wasn't aware of that and it probably precludes me from getting VDSL ever. Ironically, the closest cabinet to me is exactly 1km by road, but of course the cables from our road go back the other way to the exchange (it probably made sense forty or more years ago, but now it's a killer).

long_b · 17-06-2014 12:30PM

Dero wrote: »

Yeah, I know it isn't ADSL2+, I just meant an equivalent performance. Thank you for the 7Mb prequal info though. I wasn't aware of that and it probably precludes me from getting VDSL ever. Ironically, the closest cabinet to me is exactly 1km by road, but of course the cables from our road go back the other way to the exchange (it probably made sense forty or more years ago, but now it's a killer).

I'm about 3.2km from the Cutbush cabinet by road, 8th from Curragh Camp exchange.

So I guess the only hope for me is that at some stage Eircom will run something from the cabinets instead of the exchange?

I haven't heard anything about more cabinets. Can't see them doing Martinstown Cross as there isn't the population density of a metropolis like Cutbush or Brownstown.

dalta5billion · 17-06-2014 01:10PM

long_b wrote: »

I'm about 3.2km from the Cutbush cabinet by road, 8th from Curragh Camp exchange.

So I guess the only hope for me is that at some stage Eircom will run something from the cabinets instead of the exchange?

I haven't heard anything about more cabinets. Can't see them doing Martinstown Cross as there isn't the population density of a metropolis like Cutbush or Brownstown.

Based on the cabinets-per-capita ratio in Brownstown, Eircom was predicting it would be the next Abu Dhabi.

O'Prez · 19-06-2014 01:26AM

Ah-Watch wrote: »

The end is in sight! I reckon yer Cab is the forst to be enabled too

I'm stuck in contract with Sky til next March unless of course they actually start rolling out Fibre before then.........is there anything to be said for saying another mass?

Ah-Watch · 23-06-2014 04:48PM

O'Prez wrote: »

I'm stuck in contract with Sky til next March unless of course they actually start rolling out Fibre before then.........is there anything to be said for saying another mass?

muwahahahaha, my line comes up as available today at 100Meg. At long last!

jca · 24-06-2014 01:10PM

I see an eircom van at spring valley heights in Enniscorthy. It looked like fibre cable sprouting out of a cover in the footpath. Looking good for the Shannon side.

O'Prez · 24-06-2014 01:13PM

Ah-Watch wrote: »

muwahahahaha, my line comes up as available today at 100Meg. At long last!

Mine is 40. Bollox anyway.

Ah-Watch · 24-06-2014 01:59PM

O'Prez wrote: »

Mine is 40. Bollox anyway.

I know I only checked it an hour ago. Most of yer area is 50-70 meg and all. 40 is better than 12meg though so....

kaerobe · 24-06-2014 02:37PM

Im in an area which has been enabled for about a year, surrounding estates seem to have full coverage with a few houses on the edge of my estate able to get 30mb efibre. according to the map, all the local cabinets are enabled. what does this mean for me? im very central on the main road into the mainstreet. is it a case of waiting for them to commission more cabs?? have to skype family about 6 days a week in NY and Africa... download speeds are fine but upload speeds are shocking.

murphaph · 24-06-2014 03:53PM

You might be direct fed from the exchange. If so you need to be patient as they roll out VDSL for such lines.

Gonzo · 24-06-2014 05:46PM

Dunshaughlin exchange area has gone live, and as I expected being 1.8km from nearest cabinet I am now getting the dreaded 'eFibre is available in your area but your address is not yet enabled.' message through the Eircom website fiber checker.

dam099 · 24-06-2014 06:32PM

Near my parents house on the outskirts of Sligo town they first installed a fibre cabinet on it's own two months ago and have now added an older style cabinet. What does this mean, would they have been exchange fed and now being rewired to the cabinet or would they be relocating an out of the way cabinet (none was visible in the locality previously)? Its all one off housing around there but fairly clustered around a crossroads so possibly 50-60 houses within 1KM of the exchange.

Eircom eFibre VDSL/FTTC rollout – plans to reach 1.6m premises by mid 2016

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