SVP calls for increased social welfare payments

darkpagandeath · 24-06-2014 05:26PM

bogmanfan wrote: »

Was only discussing the dole with my brother-in-law at the weekend. He's currently out of work, having returned home from working abroad. In his opinion, and for his circumstances (single, no dependents) he thinks the dole is far too high in this country. In his words, you shouldn't be able to save while receiving social welfare. Likewise it shouldn't be enough to facilitate a Sky Sports subscription or a 20-a-day smoking habit.
It's a crazy situation we are in, where some people are better off being unemployed than working. A recent story in the Indo broke down the figures, and when medical card, rent allowance etc are taken into account, there is absolutely no financial benefit for some in getting a low-paid job.
I would think that a raising of the minimum wage as well as the income tax band, combined with a reduction in social welfare would help to change this.

Here is a shocking idea maybe people in work are not being paid enough to cover minimum standard of survival. €188 PW that's all you are entitled to all other stuff is means tested, not everyone gets all allowances. Medical card is no use to anyone only the sick never understand why it's always trotted out ? must be a lot of normal people on the dole suddenly getting sick to utilise this. or can you use it for free holidays or car rental ?

DoesNotCompute · 24-06-2014 05:26PM

SO where's the money tree growing these days?

corner of hells · 24-06-2014 05:26PM

Chinasea wrote: »

You cant and unless you have a wooden leg detector it is tricky but but but the whole review process is very shoddy, loose and open to out and out abuse. Wat to many dubious disability claimants in this country which imo affords a life of dysfunction and idelness.

Point me in the direction of this review process specifically around disabled parking permits and while your at it can you help us with an application for free housing ?

Lucifer MorningStar · 24-06-2014 05:28PM

I think they should print more money, then everyone will be happy :pac:

darkpagandeath · 24-06-2014 05:28PM

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

SO where's the money tree growing these days?

ECB ?

mickydoomsux · 24-06-2014 05:32PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Medical card is no use to anyone only the sick never understand why it's always trotted out

Anyone can get sick.

The problem is that people who are above the modest cut of point/aren't "disabled" are paying for the doctor for both themselves and for their next door neighbor who has a medical card.

darkpagandeath · 24-06-2014 05:34PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Anyone can get sick.

The problem is that people who are above the modest cut of point/aren't "disabled" are paying for the doctor for both themselves and for their next door neighbor who has a medical card.

True but why should it cost over €50 to see a doctor way way above the EU average. I think that should be looked into tbh cant be just he medical card keeping the price up.

Tail Docker · 24-06-2014 05:40PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You are not on the live register, Therefore not part of the unemployed figures.

So, if there's 450,000 ish on the dole, 237,000 out through disability, 500,000 students(??)..800,000+ retired(?), 450,000 PS workers and 800,000 Full time Mothers, 1500,000 kids in school...fcuk me, who's left to pay for it all?? That 237,000 disabled figure is mental tbh. How come that's never mentioned?? Jasus lads, get the boat, we're fecked, we really are.

corner of hells · 24-06-2014 05:40PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Anyone can get sick.

The problem is that people who are above the modest cut of point/aren't "disabled" are paying for the doctor for both themselves and for their next door neighbor who has a medical card.

Its possible to get GP cards and discretionary medical cards , despite the recent policies about them.

Soft Falling Rain · 24-06-2014 05:41PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You are not on the live register, Therefore not part of the unemployed figures.

The department of social protection isn't just about the live register. They want to cut costs anyhwere they can. It can be very difficult to touch disability or illness benefit once people qualify for it. People who qualify for these benefits are also not going to be put under pressure to find work.

So, if someone they feel is "borderline" is on disability benefit, they will try everything to get them off that benefit and onto the JSA for two reasons: to get them off the more protected benefit, and to make it easier to lean on them to find work, courses, internships etc etc...

I should qualify all of this by saying that I find these tactics to be quite cynical towards people. Depression, for example, falls under disability benefit. It is something that welfare offices will demand be scrutinised through regular check ups until the person is deemed "fit for work" and thus thrown back onto the JSA, regardless of how the individual in question feels about their own "fitness".

yawhat! · 24-06-2014 05:45PM

chasm wrote: »

What free house would that be then?

Council house, replace free house with free accommodation then.

chasm · 24-06-2014 05:47PM

yawhat! wrote: »

Council house, replace free house with free accommodation then.

You pay rent to the council in a council house!

corner of hells · 24-06-2014 05:48PM

yawhat! wrote: »

Council house, replace free house with free accommodation then.

Are you talking about rent allowance and private rented or people.looking to.obtain a council.house ?

mickydoomsux · 24-06-2014 05:49PM

chasm wrote: »

You pay rent to the council in a council house!

A tiny, tiny amount compared to what other people in the real world in the same area would be paying for private rental or a mortgage.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 24-06-2014 05:49PM

comongethappy wrote: »

40% more disabled adults from 2006 to 2013.
Statistically impossible, but I'm sure its all on the level.

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2013/04/04/the-mystery-of-disability

I would love to know how all these people get them I am disabled but so far have been unsuccessful. My consultant note that I can manage to walk 25 metres that has halved from 50 in two years I am in agony doing this but won't give in. This distance will continue to decrease to to spinal degradation the nerves are badly damaged.
It is not as easy as some people think getting a Blue badge

Son Of A Vidic · 24-06-2014 05:50PM

yawhat! wrote: »

I think it should be decreased to encourage people to start working again!

Maybe you should drop into Dublin Airport and tell those emigrating, that they don't need to leave at all. Since the country is apparently awash with job opportunities. And while you're at it, maybe you should actually point out where they can find this abundance of employment.

super_furry · 24-06-2014 05:51PM

Grand so. While we're at it, Dublin rents have gone up by 25% in the last two years. Can SVP lobby for my employers to raise my salary by the same level, maybe more actually because I'll be paying even more tax to help fund their dole increase?

yawhat! · 24-06-2014 05:57PM

chasm wrote: »

You pay rent to the council in a council house!

How much do people on rent allowance pay out of their own pocket from their free money. 100 a month from their dole?

How much are people paying in Dublin who work and have kids? 1200 or more a month from their own pocket.

Sickens me.

chasm · 24-06-2014 05:59PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

A tiny, tiny amount compared to what other people in the real world in the same area would be paying for private rental or a mortgage.

The real world eh!

yawhat! · 24-06-2014 06:01PM

chasm wrote: »

The real world eh!

Yes the real world. You say you pay rent for a council house . How much rent is on a council house that you have pay from the dole? Its free money so your not paying anything! Probably 100 a month when others are paying 1300 a month with kids in dublin who actually pay their own way!

demanufactured · 24-06-2014 06:01PM

yawhat! wrote: »

I think it should be decreased to encourage people to start working again! Taking my tax dollars and getting a free house :mad::mad::mad:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0624/626172-st-vincent-de-paul/

I own my own house and was out of work for nearly 5 years , didn't want to be on Social welfare.
You have some neck.

yawhat! · 24-06-2014 06:03PM

demanufactured wrote: »

I own my own house and was out of work for nearly years , didn't want to be on Social welfare.
You have some neck.

I'll edit my first post. I meant for people who don't want to work!

Jonny Blaze · 24-06-2014 06:05PM

bogmanfan wrote: »

Was only discussing the dole with my brother-in-law at the weekend. He's currently out of work, having returned home from working abroad. In his opinion, and for his circumstances (single, no dependents) he thinks the dole is far too high in this country. In his words, you shouldn't be able to save while receiving social welfare. Likewise it shouldn't be enough to facilitate a Sky Sports subscription or a 20-a-day smoking habit.
It's a crazy situation we are in, where some people are better off being unemployed than working. A recent story in the Indo broke down the figures, and when medical card, rent allowance etc are taken into account, there is absolutely no financial benefit for some in getting a low-paid job.
I would think that a raising of the minimum wage as well as the income tax band, combined with a reduction in social welfare would help to change this.

Dunno about your brother but for me it goes like this.

€188 * 52 = €9776

Rent @ €550 p/m = €6600

Bills @ approx €100 p/m = €1200

= €1976

I am, unfortunately, a smoker since I was 12 so that's:

3 * €5.50 p/w = €16.50 * 52 = €858

= €1118

Divided by 52:

= €21.5 per week for all food, clothing, medical / dental expenses, travel and everything else.

Dunno how he's managing to save but i'd love to know..

Im just glad I have no financial commitments tbh.

Richard Hillman · 24-06-2014 06:05PM

yawhat! wrote: »

How much do people on rent allowance pay out of their own pocket from their free money. 100 a month from their dole?

How much are people paying in Dublin who work and have kids? 1200 or more a month from their own pocket.

Sickens me.

And you have to be an absolute anti-christ or not pay rent for about a year to ever lose their council house.

corner of hells · 24-06-2014 06:08PM

yawhat! wrote: »

Yes the real world. You say you pay rent for a council house . How much rent is on a council house that you have pay from the dole? Its free money so your not paying anything! Probably 100 a month when others are paying 1300 a month with kids in dublin who actually pay their own way!

You do realise that its practically impossible to get a council house , the rent is assessed on what you can pay and we actually now have 90000 people on local authority housing lists which brings us all the way around to rent allowance and rising rents forcing people towards homelessness ......the real world eh ?

yawhat! · 24-06-2014 06:09PM

corner of hells wrote: »

You do realise that its practically impossible to get a council house , the rent is assessed on what you can pay and we actually now have 90000 people on local authority housing lists which brings us all the way around to rent allowance and rising rents forcing people towards homelessness ......the real world eh ?

Yea, outside of Dublin its quite easy to get one!

shruikan2553 · 24-06-2014 06:10PM

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

Dunno about your brother but for me it goes like this.

€188 * 52 = €9776

Rent @ €550 p/m = €6600

Bills @ approx €100 p/m = €1200

= €1976

I am, unfortunately, a smoker since I was 12 so that's:

3 * €5.50 p/w = €16.50 * 52 = €858

= €1118

Divided by 52:

= €21.5 per week for all food, clothing, medical / dental expenses, travel and everything else.

Dunno how he's managing to save but i'd love to know..

Im just glad I have no financial commitments tbh.

Maybe he doesnt smoke?
Also your rent is a bit high, so are your bills depending on whats included.

188 a week is plenty for any single person.

Pawwed Rig · 24-06-2014 06:11PM

bogmanfan wrote: »

Was only discussing the dole with my brother-in-law at the weekend. He's currently out of work, having returned home from working abroad. In his opinion, and for his circumstances (single, no dependents) he thinks the dole is far too high in this country. In his words, you shouldn't be able to save while receiving social welfare. Likewise it shouldn't be enough to facilitate a Sky Sports subscription or a 20-a-day smoking habit.

Dole is €188 per week less 20 a day habit (€9.50x7) = €121.50 less Sky Sports sub €12 per week = €109.50. Fair pay to your brother in law to sort out rent and other bills for €109 per week.
The minimum you could spend to feed yoursef for a week woud be €30 so presumably he has managed an all in rental deal for €300 per month? Nice

mickydoomsux · 24-06-2014 06:13PM

yawhat! wrote: »

Yea, outside of Dublin its quite easy to get one!

Most of them will turn down houses that aren't in places that they don't want to live.

I guess beggars can be choosers in our society.

chasm · 24-06-2014 06:16PM

yawhat! wrote: »

Yea, outside of Dublin its quite easy to get one!

Really? I know someone who was 17 years on the list!

yawhat! wrote: »

Yes the real world. You say you pay rent for a council house . How much rent is on a council house that you have pay from the dole? Its free money so your not paying anything! Probably 100 a month when others are paying 1300 a month with kids in dublin who actually pay their own way!

Do those parents get the social welfare payment every month for their kids? Funny how some free money is perfectly acceptable to some.

SVP calls for increased social welfare payments

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