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Long term Unemployed? : What to do next
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I was about a year out of work and it was horrible!! Decided I had had enough of being bored and wasting my days so I went back to college and finished two weeks ago, just waiting on results now
While in college I managed to find part time work so that kept me going money wise and gives me something to do now while I look for work in the area I studied.
I'm an electrician by trade. Feels like a complete waste of time now since I was let go soon after serving my time, hoping the same doesn't happen again
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Plenty of students get by on far less than you get and yet finish their course. Sorry to say but you sound like a quitter. Why didn't you get a bike? Cork is a small city, pretty much everywhere can be done on a bike (particularly with all the new cycle lanes). I cycled from glanmire to ballincollig for a job every day when younger. Nothing worth doing gets handed to you on a plate.
Cycling from Midleton to cork city every morning would be a bit of a chore Maybe I should have said where I live.
The point I'm trying to make here is.. If your living in one of the satellite towns, either in west cork or east cork and you don't have the spare money for expenses i.e train ticket, Petrol, Bus fare, the college course option is OUT. ( The Southern Health Board will cut the knees out from under you)
If you live a short bus journey from the college, or even walking distance, GREAT, go for it as I would have. I AM NOT A QUITTER, I'm not now, nor have I ever been in my life.
After I had been out of work for so long, you have no idea how happy I was to secure a place on that course... It seems funny thinking about it now, almost laughable... I was going to give it my ALL, do the best I could, because to me it was my big chance to turn my life around.0 -
major bill wrote: »I was unemployed for 2 years and 4 months, it's a dark time in my life I hope i never have to revisit. During that time I applied for everything and anything as my own trade was dead, never once heard anything back, I re-trained through fetac courses for Engineering and even took up Stock counting to keep the welfare off my back, In the end it wasn't what i knew it was who i knew that landed me a job. I was offered a 3 month contract for a project been rolled out within a big Irish company, one of my relatives was the team leader, it was monkey work that didn't pay alot more than what the dole was paying but it was a job, as they say once you get your foot through the door then it's up to you to stay there. I did just that and learned everything I could about the job so that when my 3 months were up it got extended, I am now celebrating my 3rd year there this July and would be classed as a senior member on the team, this in a job I had no clue about, something i spoofed through in the beginning.
My advice to people is stick with it,Re-train (particularly in IT), don't turn your noses down at anything, for what might seem below you may actually make you financially better off in a few years, get your foot in the door and then anything can happen.
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Let the defense begin! You're generalizing, there's not enough jobs for all the people. Blah Blah Blah!
It's good that you know you're generalizing anyway.
Not every situation is black and white, some people do all the right things yet don't get a break.
People have done internships only to be let go at the end of it (in spite of doing an excellent job).
People have applied for jobs not related to their field but are told by "cv experts" that they're overqualified and thus not trusted by employers.
People have upskilled only to be told it's worth diddly squat without that almighty experience.
Not every persom has sat on their hole accepting defeat. But let's just kick them when they're down and tell them they need to be doing more eh?0 -
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Soft Falling Rain wrote: »It's good that you know you're generalizing anyway.
Not every situation is black and white, some people do all the right things yet don't get a break.
People have done internships only to be let go at the end of it (in spite of doing an excellent job).
People have applied for jobs not related to their field but are told by "cv experts" that they're overqualified and thus not trusted by employers.
People have upskilled only to be told it's worth diddly squat without that almighty experience.
Not every persom has sat on their hole accepting defeat. But let's just kick them when they're down and tell them they need to be doing more eh?
If somebody that has tried everything takes offense and thinks what I'm saying applies to them and kicking them while they are down, should grow a thicker skin.
I would guess the people who will get offended will be those who feel the need to defend themselves, those who know they aren't trying everything.
Why don't people have experience in menial jobs? I'm over in the US now, working in retail, service or hospitality seems to be a rite of passage over here. Most of them have work experience when they finish school\college. What's the difference between Ireland and here. And before the answer is that there's no jobs. I worked in retail during the good times. We couldn't find help back then either. Many young people went travelling for the summer, came back and didn't work during the college year. Also, when somebody say's I couldn't work during college, my course was too demanding. I laugh! If you were training to be a Doctor\Surgeon, I'll give you that. But if you were doing less than 20 hours of lectures a week. Nuts to you0 -
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some much more realistic posts since last night.
firstly , most of the courses we see advertised on TV etc are a cash cow , will have ZERO influence on your job prospects ( i would argue they in fact harm a decent CV )
the cynic may allude that the GOVT backed courses are also a way of spreading a few well paid jobs around and manipulating the unemployment figures.
The OP as a SKILLED tradesman has done his bit , it takes many years of apprenticeship then many further years to master a trade , i suggest around 10-15 to someone starting off. 4/5 years to get the paperwork and a further 10 gaining experience in the trade and dealing with clients and self employment.
These tradesmen are needed! badly! people need homes , homes need maintenance as do services etc etc , an endless list.
This is short sightedness on the part of the GOVT and the usual cycle will continue , trades will seek employment elsewhere and kids wont learn the skills as there is no work and we will end up with the usual skills shortage in several years time.
The media then rile up the middle class and the wage slaves because they have failed in their remit. They turn the poor against the poor and increase their wealth whilst re-jigging employment law that has been hard fought for.
The obedient and subservient in society then accept the new laws , why should we be paid for work? any new job is now an entitlement that you be grateful of and work for nothing like a complete fecking moron!
The social entitlements that you, when working, paid into are now classed as begging and fecklessness. Bear in mind its your own money that you paid into the system that you are now being made feel a leper for claiming!
You are now hounded and forced by law to enter into useless training programs and workhouse slave jobs to have entitlement to the money you paid your dues into.
For anyone at all who has worked in the construction industry i cant recommend enough reading Robert Tressels excellent book , the ragged trousered philanthropist ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ragged-Trousered_Philanthropists )
its free to download as its out of copyright.
read it and tell me if anything has changed in the construction industry since the 1800s
and argue then that the system is not intricately designed to be the way it is.
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an example from the above book , interesting if you look at the new double water taxation
“Poverty is not caused by men and women getting married; it's not caused by machinery; it's not caused by "over-production"; it's not caused by drink or laziness; and it's not caused by "over-population". It's caused by Private Monopoly. That is the present system. They have monopolized everything that it is possible to monopolize; they have got the whole earth, the minerals in the earth and the streams that water the earth. The only reason they have not monopolized the daylight and the air is that it is not possible to do it. If it were possible to construct huge gasometers and to draw together and compress within them the whole of the atmosphere, it would have been done long ago, and we should have been compelled to work for them in order to get money to buy air to breathe. And if that seemingly impossible thing were accomplished tomorrow, you would see thousands of people dying for want of air - or of the money to buy it - even as now thousands are dying for want of the other necessities of life. You would see people going about gasping for breath, and telling each other that the likes of them could not expect to have air to breathe unless the had the money to pay for it. Most of you here, for instance, would think and say so. Even as you think at present that it's right for so few people to own the Earth, the Minerals and the Water, which are all just as necessary as is the air. In exactly the same spirit as you now say: "It's Their Land," "It's Their Water," "It's Their Coal," "It's Their Iron," so you would say "It's Their Air," "These are their gasometers, and what right have the likes of us to expect them to allow us to breathe for nothing?" And even while he is doing this the air monopolist will be preaching sermons on the Brotherhood of Man; he will be dispensing advice on "Christian Duty" in the Sunday magazines; he will give utterance to numerous more or less moral maxims for the guidance of the young. And meantime, all around, people will be dying for want of some of the air that he will have bottled up in his gasometers. And when you are all dragging out a miserable existence, gasping for breath or dying for want of air, if one of your number suggests smashing a hole in the side of one of th gasometers, you will all fall upon him in the name of law and order, and after doing your best to tear him limb from limb, you'll drag him, covered with blood, in triumph to the nearest Police Station and deliver him up to "justice" in the hope of being given a few half-pounds of air for your trouble.”
― Robert Tressell, The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists0 -
hawkwind23 wrote: »an example from the above book , interesting if you look at the new double water taxation
“Poverty is not caused by men and women getting married; it's not caused by machinery; it's not caused by "over-production"; it's not caused by drink or laziness; and it's not caused by "over-population". It's caused by Private Monopoly. That is the present system. They have monopolized everything that it is possible to monopolize; they have got the whole earth, the minerals in the earth and the streams that water the earth. The only reason they have not monopolized the daylight and the air is that it is not possible to do it. If it were possible to construct huge gasometers and to draw together and compress within them the whole of the atmosphere, it would have been done long ago, and we should have been compelled to work for them in order to get money to buy air to breathe. And if that seemingly impossible thing were accomplished tomorrow, you would see thousands of people dying for want of air - or of the money to buy it - even as now thousands are dying for want of the other necessities of life. You would see people going about gasping for breath, and telling each other that the likes of them could not expect to have air to breathe unless the had the money to pay for it. Most of you here, for instance, would think and say so. Even as you think at present that it's right for so few people to own the Earth, the Minerals and the Water, which are all just as necessary as is the air. In exactly the same spirit as you now say: "It's Their Land," "It's Their Water," "It's Their Coal," "It's Their Iron," so you would say "It's Their Air," "These are their gasometers, and what right have the likes of us to expect them to allow us to breathe for nothing?" And even while he is doing this the air monopolist will be preaching sermons on the Brotherhood of Man; he will be dispensing advice on "Christian Duty" in the Sunday magazines; he will give utterance to numerous more or less moral maxims for the guidance of the young. And meantime, all around, people will be dying for want of some of the air that he will have bottled up in his gasometers. And when you are all dragging out a miserable existence, gasping for breath or dying for want of air, if one of your number suggests smashing a hole in the side of one of th gasometers, you will all fall upon him in the name of law and order, and after doing your best to tear him limb from limb, you'll drag him, covered with blood, in triumph to the nearest Police Station and deliver him up to "justice" in the hope of being given a few half-pounds of air for your trouble.”
― Robert Tressell, The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists
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