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Scumbagville

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    #32
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭No Pants


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    That's the spirit micky, worked out well for Irish society in the past, didn't it?
    When did we try it?


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    #33
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,247 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Maybe this is what we need to complete the trilogy?
    Escape from New York (1981)
    Escape from L.A. (1996)
    Escape from Amsterdam ,,?

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



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    #34
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Greenmachine wrote: »
    We could do with a new australia. Or perhap sentence someone to an induced coma, maybe it would be cheaper than keep them in prision. Would be a nice head **** to some scumbag if he had not seen any family in 10 years. He would not suffer either till he woke up.

    We don't need a new Australia, we still have the old one. We're still sending people there too, except now we make them think it was their idea.


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    #35
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Renegade Mechanic wrote: »
    Huh... Never ceases to amaze me how surprised people are with how hardline a stance such a "liberal" place takes on people that cause trouble.

    Freedom comes with a little responsibility. If someone cant be responsible, I dont see why they should be completely free.

    The 'surprised' are usually the same people that insist we should be paying Swedish level taxes so that we can enjoy Swedish levels of social services, but ignore the fact that even those earning 25k and under pay 30% in taxes in that country.
    They literally choke on their herbal tea when I say, 'no problem, I'd be happy to pay an extra 10% tax to accrue the same benefits as the bottom third of earners, so long as you're willing to lump that bottom third of taxpayers with double the increase you impose on me.
    Everybody is expected to contribute in Sweden, if you don't you can expect sanction for it, so this move doesn't surprise me in the least.


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    #36
    Reekwind
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Reekwind


    No Pants wrote: »
    When did we try it?
    Ireland has never lacked for urban ghettoes. In this country we long ago achieved what the Dutch are only trying now: the near-complete separation of rich and poor.

    (Think back to that long tradition of AH threads moaning about 'scumbags' invading middle class spaces - 'scumbags on the beach', 'junkies on O'Connell St', etc)


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    #37
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭No Pants


    Reekwind wrote: »
    Ireland has never lacked for urban ghettoes. In this country we long ago achieved what the Dutch are only trying now: the near-complete separation of rich and poor.

    (Think back to that long tradition of AH threads moaning about 'scumbags' invading middle class spaces - 'scumbags on the beach', 'junkies on O'Connell St', etc)
    A scumbag has got nothing to do with being rich or poor. It's about behaviour.


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    #38
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,560 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    feargale wrote: »
    But, sure, isn't it grand for all of us in our middle class semi-ds, or better still in gated communities in leafy suburbs, insulated from most crime, being able to tell the 95% who have no choice in these matters that they must defer to the 5% who do have a choice

    Funnily enough, through my work, I have found that there are as many low lifes living and wreaking havoc in these very areas.
    And when the ("educated" refering to early part of your post) neighbours expect to be able to have the situation dealt with in a swift manner, they find the odds and the laws stacked very favourably in the offenders favour, and are quite taken aback at how difficult it is to have them dealt with.


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    #39
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    bnt wrote: »
    Maybe this is what we need to complete the trilogy?
    Escape from New York (1981)
    Escape from L.A. (1996)
    Escape from Amsterdam ,,?

    The next one is apparently "Escape from the World"


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    #40
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    The next one is apparently "Escape from the World"

    Was that not already released under a different title; "Elysium"?


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    #41
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    bnt wrote: »
    Maybe this is what we need to complete the trilogy?
    Escape from New York (1981)
    Escape from L.A. (1996)
    Escape from Amsterdam ,,?

    We need more Kurt Russell in our lives.


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    #42
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    feargale wrote: »
    Many of the 95% have little education and lack the skills necessary to deal in any meaningful way with their torment and tormentors.

    Oh don't be so bloody patronising.


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    #43
    MacBizzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭MacBizzle


    LorMal wrote: »
    I am from Ballymun. I am no scumbag. My parents and friends are not scum. I find that very offensive.

    What is it like living in the tropical utopia that is Cork, then?

    Jesus Christ it was a joke, relax, no need to get all offended by it. If I got offended everytime anyone made a snide comment about Cork I'd have lost the plot.

    I find your sarcastic insinuations towards Cork offensive... :rolleyes:


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    #44
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    MacBizzle wrote: »
    Jesus Christ it was a joke, relax, no need to get all offended by it. If I got offended everytime anyone made a snide comment about Cork I'd have lost the plot.

    I find your sarcastic insinuations towards Cork offensive... :rolleyes:

    Right, its a joke and it my fault for taking offence when you said that where I am from is the Irish 'Scumbagville'.
    Very sorry for taking offence, please forgive.

    And do me a favour and keep yourself and your jokes in Cork.


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    #45
    MacBizzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭MacBizzle


    LorMal wrote: »
    Right, its a joke and it my fault for taking offence when you said that where I am from is the Irish 'Scumbagville'.
    Very sorry for taking offence, please forgive.

    And do me a favour and keep yourself and your jokes in Cork.

    Now you just sound like a hypocrite.

    No one felt the need to express their outrage about the two following posts:
    ThinkAboutIt wrote: »
    Have you confused this with the Northside, Dublin perhaps?
    gadetra wrote: »
    We do, it's called longford. It's not worked out well

    It is nothing but sarcasm.

    Look, I'm sorry. I just don't see any reason why you have to take the whole thing so seriously when no offence was intended. I'm done with the bitching now, I could do without an infraction.


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    #46
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    MacBizzle wrote: »
    Now you just sound like a hypocrite.

    No one felt the need to express their outrage about the two following posts:





    It is nothing but sarcasm.

    Look, I'm sorry. I just don't see any reason why you have to take the whole thing so seriously when no offence was intended. I'm done with the bitching now, I could do without an infraction.

    No problem. Have a nice day...


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    #47
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,639 ✭✭✭feargale


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Oh don't be so bloody patronising.


    So, stating a fact is patronising? Would you like me to say they have PhDs? Don't be so bloody precious. Have you engaged with these people? I have. My guess is you would rather score a political point than see the lives of these poor people ameliorated.


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    #48
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,639 ✭✭✭feargale


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    Funnily enough, through my work, I have found that there are as many low lifes living and wreaking havoc in these very areas.
    And when the ("educated" refering to early part of your post) neighbours expect to be able to have the situation dealt with in a swift manner, they find the odds and the laws stacked very favourably in the offenders favour, and are quite taken aback at how difficult it is to have them dealt with.

    So true! So true that some might say you are stating the obvious, though clearly a few still don't get it. However, if and when that problem is solved it won't automatically cure the problems of the victims in the other places. I'm not saying there is no correlation between the two situations, but solving one will not automatically solve the other.


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    #49
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,639 ✭✭✭feargale


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Oh don't be so bloody patronising.

    Don't be so bloody precious.


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    #50
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    feargale wrote: »
    So, stating a fact is patronising? Would you like me to say they have PhDs? Don't be so bloody precious. Have you engaged with these people? I have. My guess is you would rather score a political point than see the lives of these poor people ameliorated.

    Have I engaged with "these people"? Unlike yourself, I'm from a council estate with a fairly prominent anti-social behaviour problem so don't need to be lectured on the fabric of these places thanks. Secondly, someone's education or skills has little to do with how they'd react or cope with troublesome neighbours. Do you think if someone had a Masters or something they'd be better able to handle someone robbing their car or blaring music at 4am?

    Nobody, irregardless of their education or background, likes to deal with anti social people. PhDs etc have nothing to do with it. "Oh if only I had more formal education I'd be able to tackle those youths tearing around on a quad bike".

    You're talking nonsense.


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    #51
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,639 ✭✭✭feargale


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Have I engaged with "these people"? Unlike yourself, I'm from a council estate with a fairly prominent anti-social behaviour problem so don't need to be lectured on the fabric of these places thanks. Secondly, someone's education or skills has little to do with how they'd react or cope with troublesome neighbours. Do you think if someone had a Masters or something they'd be better able to handle someone robbing their car or blaring music at 4am?
    Nobody, irregardless of their education or background, likes to deal with anti social people. PhDs etc have nothing to do with it. "Oh if only I had more formal education I'd be able to tackle those youths tearing around on a quad bike".
    You're talking nonsense.

    Oh don't be so bloody touchy.


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    #52
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    MacBizzle wrote: »
    Jesus Christ it was a joke, relax, no need to get all offended by it. If I got offended everytime anyone made a snide comment about Cork I'd have lost the plot.

    I find your sarcastic insinuations towards Cork offensive... :rolleyes:

    Don't you DARE mention Tipp or Ill hit you with more sanctimony than any Dub could dream of spewing!:mad:


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    #53
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    feargale wrote: »
    Oh don't be so bloody touchy.

    Perhaps you lack the necessary educational qualifications to deal with sauciness?


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    #54
    No Pants
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Nobody, irregardless of their education or background, likes to deal with anti social people. PhDs etc have nothing to do with it. "Oh if only I had more formal education I'd be able to tackle those youths tearing around on a quad bike".
    An education isn't what is needed for dealing with such incidents. What's needed is a clear strategy, some political will, 2 - 3 Gardai and a small number of riot guns.


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    #55
    MacBizzle
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    Renegade Mechanic wrote: »
    Don't you DARE mention Tipp or Ill hit you with more sanctimony than any Dub could dream of spewing!:mad:

    I don't think I could deal with much more tbh.. :p


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    #56
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    MacBizzle wrote: »
    I don't think I could deal with much more tbh.. :p

    So, you asked me to accept your apology for calling my home Scumbagsville because you 'didnt want an infraction'.

    So I said okay and wished you well. Now, a couple of hours
    After, you cannot 'deal with much more tbh' sanctimonious comments from Dubliners.

    Stuff your apology up your Cork arse. You are a bigot and a snob.


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    #57
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,639 ✭✭✭feargale


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Have I engaged with "these people"? Unlike yourself, I'm from a council estate with a fairly prominent anti-social behaviour problem
    Unlike you I'm familiar with a council estate with a 24/7 problem whose inhabitants are clearly not as smart or sophisticated as your neighbours.
    FTA69 wrote: »
    so don't need to be lectured on the fabric of these places thanks.
    So you are clarifying and I am lecturing. I see.
    FTA69 wrote: »
    Secondly, someone's education or skills has little to do with how they'd react or cope with troublesome neighbours. Do you think if someone had a Masters or something they'd be better able to handle someone robbing their car or blaring music at 4am?
    Nobody, irregardless of their education or background, likes to deal with anti social people. PhDs etc have nothing to do with it. "Oh if only I had more formal education I'd be able to tackle those youths tearing around on a quad bike".
    Ffs would you get it. I'm not talking about PhDs or Masters. I've known victims who couldn't properly articulate their complaints to the guards because they were hard put to string a coherent sentence together. Ok, they're not in your estate. Get around more and you'll encounter them.
    FTA69 wrote: »
    You're talking nonsense.
    Who is patronising now?

    This exchange seems set to drag the thread off topic so I'll leave it at that. Otherwise it could go on and on, another pointless thread with light converted to heat.


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    #58
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    LorMal wrote: »
    So, you asked me to accept your apology for calling my home Scumbagsville because you 'didnt want an infraction'.

    So I said okay and wished you well. Now, a couple of hours
    After, you cannot 'deal with much more tbh' sanctimonious comments from Dubliners.

    Stuff your apology up your Cork arse. You are a bigot and a snob.

    Sorry what was that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of bull sh*t breaking the sound barrier.


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    #59
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    ThinkAboutIt wrote: »
    Have you confused this with the Northside, Dublin perhaps?

    I've thought about it, I can confirm you are a dick.


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    #60
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Renegade Mechanic wrote: »
    Sorry what was that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of bull sh*t breaking the sound barrier.

    Where did you come in to this Renegade Mechanic? I wasnt addressing you?


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    #61
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    LorMal wrote: »
    Where did you come in to this Renegade Mechanic? I wasnt addressing you?

    Ive found, with a lot of Dubliners, that they are great craic, easy to get on with and all but only if they can have their severely misplaced notion that you are beneath them and they can only laugh at others, never themselves, unchallenged. Turn the tables on them and in a second l, instead of continuing laughing or whatever, its an awkward silence or worse, "Here what you mean by that?" you become "just another culchie who cant handle the city".
    While its far from true for all, a larger number of Dubs have their heads far enough up their arses that what would appear to be an Adams apple is actually their nose.


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