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Iseedeadpixels · 13-06-2014 08:49AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No.

They played 433 through qualification I believe, and are switching to 352/532 now, due to the injury to strootman mainly - so if it shows anything it shows LVG plays to what he percieves as the strength of the players at his disposal rather than a set formation the players have to bend to.

From reading interviews with him, he subscribes to a way of playing football and terms of tempo and pressing, but the formation itself is fluid.

I would like to see 433 myself for us I think we have the players for it and with some (hopefully) decent transfers we could be a very attractive team to watch.

Mitch Connor · 13-06-2014 08:52AM

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

So what formation can you see us playing 433 or 352/532?

No idea to be honest.

At AZ he played 442 because the makeup and talents of the squad fitted it, he has played 433, 343, 352 etc elsewhere. As said, his formation is dictated by the players - so until we see who (if fecking anyone) we sign and sell over the remaining weeks of the window, i find it impossible to guess what the formation will be.

My guess is that he will be aiming at the 433/343 formation.

duffman13 · 13-06-2014 08:57AM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Hummels and Strootman are by no means certain to want to come to United...

True but the funny thing is with the reports of LVG apparently liking Carrick I would say he is thinking he can get Carrick to do a similar role and drop in to CB when we don't have the ball. That's if he is going to deploy that system.

Hummels, again he is the ideal choice but I do feel we will sign a CB regardless if it's Hummels or someone else.

duffman13 · 13-06-2014 08:59AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No idea to be honest.

At AZ he played 442 because the makeup and talents of the squad fitted it, he has played 433, 343, 352 etc elsewhere. As said, his formation is dictated by the players - so until we see who (if fecking anyone) we sign and sell over the remaining weeks of the window, i find it impossible to guess what the formation will be.

My guess is that he will be aiming at the 433/343 formation.

+1 on this. He will see what he has rather deciding on a system and shoe horning players into it. By the looks of the current squad it could be 433 or 442 but no way of telling till August and seeing our squad then.

beno619 · 13-06-2014 09:09AM

Not really sure about the fapping over Rakitic last night. I though Modric was the best player on the park, he's grown in stature since moving to Madrid. Its a shame we didnt go for him when he was still at Spurs, Levy would have milked us no doubt though.

MagicIRL · 13-06-2014 09:10AM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Hummels and Strootman are by no means certain to want to come to United...

I reckon Strootman is very likely just purely because of the LvG factor. Reading Pirlo's book lately and he says the exact same thing about him almost signing for Chelsea purely because Ancelotti was in charge.

KH25 · 13-06-2014 09:11AM

duffman13 wrote: »

+1 on this. He will see what he has rather deciding on a system and shoe horning players into it. By the looks of the current squad it could be 433 or 442 but no way of telling till August and seeing our squad then.

I think 4-3-3 is the way to go. Against the bigger teams I think a 2 man midfield can be overwhelmed.

Spazdarn · 13-06-2014 09:18AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

I reckon Strootman is very likely just purely because of the LvG factor. Reading Pirlo's book lately and he says the exact same thing about him almost signing for Chelsea purely because Ancelotti was in charge.

It's very frustrating seeing how Chelsea have gone opposed for 2 world class players at a relatively cheap price (in this market anyway).

If LVG knows who he wanted why wasn't approaches made before the WC before the prices rise even higher...

bullvine · 13-06-2014 09:21AM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

It's very frustrating seeing how Chelsea have gone opposed for 2 world class players at a relatively cheap price (in this market anyway).

If LVG knows who he wanted why wasn't approaches made before the WC before the prices rise even higher...

Maybe the deals are done, waiting till after WC to announce them.

Mitch Connor · 13-06-2014 09:23AM

bullvine wrote: »

Maybe the deals are done, waiting till after WC to announce them.

Yeah, maybe they are.
I'd be absolutely shocked if that were the case but maybe there is a slight small teeny tiny chance of it yeah.

bullvine · 13-06-2014 09:26AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yeah, maybe they are.
I'd be absolutely shocked if that were the case but maybe there is a slight small teeny tiny chance of it yeah.

We can only hope that's the case, cause otherwise it will be a fricken disaster again!

Zico · 13-06-2014 09:27AM

bullvine wrote: »

Maybe the deals are done, waiting till after WC to announce them.

That's the 2nd time I've heard that nonsense.

Where is this bull**** coming from?

MagicIRL · 13-06-2014 09:28AM

I expect a few lads on that Dutch team to sign for United over the course of LvG's first season. Players he knows, who know his syetm and will help implement it at United.

Bruno Martin Indi, for example, currently at Feyenord. Young LB (can also play CB) playing under LvG, or Stefan de Vrij another young CB again used to LvG and his system.

Iseedeadpixels · 13-06-2014 09:33AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No idea to be honest.

At AZ he played 442 because the makeup and talents of the squad fitted it, he has played 433, 343, 352 etc elsewhere. As said, his formation is dictated by the players - so until we see who (if fecking anyone) we sign and sell over the remaining weeks of the window, i find it impossible to guess what the formation will be.

My guess is that he will be aiming at the 433/343 formation.

Quoted me and replied before my sneaky edit that's quick and impressive! :pac:

Have we been linked with any non WC players?

bullvine · 13-06-2014 09:36AM

Zico wrote: »

That's the 2nd time I've heard that nonsense.

Where is this bull**** coming from?

Why is it nonsense? How do we know whats going on at the club? All we can do is wait and see what happens.

Crimson King · 13-06-2014 09:39AM

bullvine wrote: »

Maybe the deals are done, waiting till after WC to announce them.

I held fast to this notion all last Summer believing that every man and his dog knew the issues in midfield we had and surely the club were working on the known problems. I started to get worried midday on the last day of the transfer window when it became clearer to me that the club hadn't a fcuking clue what it was doing and then, like now I squarely blame Woodward for this.

Maybe they learnt their lessons from last year. However I would be shocked if they did.

Mitch Connor · 13-06-2014 09:39AM

bullvine wrote: »

Why is it nonsense? How do we know whats going on at the club? All we can do is wait and see what happens.

why would United not want to announce they can actually conclude a deal?
why would the player want to keep it a secret?

ericzeking · 13-06-2014 09:40AM

Zico wrote: »

That's the 2nd time I've heard that nonsense.

Where is this bull**** coming from?

Because lots of stuff happens in the background...announcing the confirmed fee and signature is the last thing that happens. Just because United aren't posting every feckin bid or negotiation they have on Red Cafe or Boards.ie or their own website or briefing all these so called 'respected journalists' does not mean they are not sounding out, negotiating with or tapping up players....

Jaysus last summer we were 'an embarrassment' because everything was done in the public eye..this year it's the opposite yet a significant percentage of the fans still aren't happy.

Lord TSC · 13-06-2014 09:42AM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

It's very frustrating seeing how Chelsea have gone opposed for 2 world class players at a relatively cheap price (in this market anyway).

If LVG knows who he wanted why wasn't approaches made before the WC before the prices rise even higher...

Am I the only one who finds it suspicious that, by most accounts, no one but Chelsea wanted him? fab admitted Arsenal turned down the chance to sign him, we said we weren't interested, neither City nor Liverpool made moves for him. The talk was even Jose was weary but he didn't have much say in the deal. Why is it this world class player wasn't subject to a massive bidding war (at least according to the journalists)?

Mitch Connor · 13-06-2014 09:42AM

ericzeking wrote: »

Because lots of stuff happens in the background...announcing the confirmed fee and signature is the last thing that happens. Just because United aren't posting every feckin bid or negotiation they have on Red Cafe or Boards.ie or their own website or briefing all these so called 'respected journalists' does not mean they are not sounding out, negotiating with or tapping up players....

Jaysus last summer we were 'an embarrassment' because everything was done in the public eye..this year it's the opposite yet a significant percentage of the fans still aren't happy.

Well done for getting pissy over a different argument no one was engaging in.

The statement was that United could have deals done and just waiting for the WC to end to announce them - not that United are probably working on some deals in the background.

Zico · 13-06-2014 09:44AM

bullvine wrote: »

Why is it nonsense? How do we know whats going on at the club? All we can do is wait and see what happens.

I usually find past experience is a good indicator of what to expect in future.

Last summer Woodward couldn't buy a sandwich without holding a press conference so if he's signed someone we'd know about it.

Maybe a club chief exec. who was secure in his job at a club meeting the expectations of it's fans could afford to sit on news of a new signing for a month, but Woodward definitely does not have that luxury.

bullvine · 13-06-2014 09:44AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

why would United not want to announce they can actually conclude a deal?
why would the player want to keep it a secret?

Maybe some are part of the Dutch Squad and LVG doesn't want any attention!

Mitch Connor · 13-06-2014 09:46AM

bullvine wrote: »

Maybe some are part of the Dutch Squad and LVG doesn't want any attention!

So its better to have speculation surrounding the players?

bullvine · 13-06-2014 09:50AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So its better to have speculation surrounding the players?

There's been practically zero speculation regarding any of the dutch players except Strootman. Who knows whats really going on. We come back in at the end of July and nobody has signed, then it will be time to panic.

Will I Amnt · 13-06-2014 09:51AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So its better to have speculation surrounding the players?

I would say yes, by a long shot. Speculation is going to happen anyway, bellends from Sky Sports News hanging around your hotel and hounding you every time you put your head out the door is a different matter.

Cookiemunster · 13-06-2014 09:52AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So its better to have speculation surrounding the players?

The only speculation is here and in the papers. The actual players will know exactly whats happening so it won't be affecting them.

Mitch Connor · 13-06-2014 09:54AM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The only speculation is here and in the papers. The actual players will know exactly whats happening so it won't be affecting them.

indeed - so if a deal is done, why not just announce it. If speculation doesn't matter then why would attention over a completed transfer make a difference?

ericzeking · 13-06-2014 09:59AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Well done for getting pissy over a different argument no one was engaging in.

The statement was that United could have deals done and just waiting for the WC to end to announce them - not that United are probably working on some deals in the background.

I'm not "pissy"-whatever that means- at all, have a read back over some of your own postings to see who is the one who is "pissy" about the transfer situation.

So lets get it right....you agree that work is being done in the background, but you think that any announcements should be made asap...you're not happy with the work being in the process of being done you want it finished with and announced, and if it's all but done you still want it announced by PM if possible....something along those lines?

There are all manner of reasons why it wouldn't be announced or confirmed-it doesn't mean they are not going to happen. i's to be dotted, t's to be crossed....Shaw, for example, may have to convince his bird to skip college for a year for all we know (watch and wait for someone to jump on that tongue and cheek statement), you're dealing with human beings here.....but the most pertinent reason I think is that 99 focking percent of transfers haven't happened yet, a couple of teams have done a few deals but the majority haven't. We're not in pre-season training, there is no manager in situ at the club at this minute, there is no pressing need for anything to be fully completed and announced, apart from apeasing fans, that is the one and only reason why something would need to be announced and that's not a good enough reason imo.

Some will say the player/club will want to avoid unneccessary speculation and uncertainty but if all parties are 99% agreed then there is no problem.

Zico · 13-06-2014 09:59AM

ericzeking wrote: »

Jaysus last summer we were 'an embarrassment' because everything was done in the public eye..this year it's the opposite yet a significant percentage of the fans still aren't happy.

I agree it's better that negotiations are done discreetly, I'm sure we were in for Fabregas but Chelsea was just a better offer.

In the space of a year we've bought a player Chelsea didn't want for a club record and they've got the player we really wanted for the price we paid for a last resort alternative.

You can't be happy about that surely?

glued · 13-06-2014 10:02AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

indeed - so if a deal is done, why not just announce it. If speculation doesn't matter then why would attention over a completed transfer make a difference?

I wouldn't say that there are any deals done but I would say that a lot of negotiations have gone on over the past few weeks. Van Gaal may have given Woodward a 'list' of transfer targets but van Gaal isn't the sort of manager that signs a player without sitting down and talking to them. He seems like he needs deeply intelligent footballers. There is a very high chance that the Netherlands may get knocked out at the group stages and if van Gaal is seen to be signing players before the World Cup then he's leaving himself open for criticism on his priorities.

Could you imagine the shít storm if van Gaal signs a couple of Dutch players before or during the World Cup? Van Gaal is a professional and he's not going to want to have any distractions going on during the World Cup.

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