Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

bucketybuck · 12-06-2014 11:05PM

kryogen wrote: »

I don't think its acknowledging that our midfield is still in the same trouble it was last year that is a problem.

Any discussion about Manchester United is going to include the basic fact that although United desperately need signings they still haven't made any. Any discussion that wants to skip that fact is just ignoring the elephant in the room.

Sure, people could cheerfully discuss the merits of the latest player linked by some 12 year old on twitter and nothing else, but the reason the discussion keeps coming back to the lack of signings is because people know it is important.

UnitedIrishman · 12-06-2014 11:13PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Any discussion about Manchester United is going to include the basic fact that although United desperately need signings they still haven't made any. Any discussion that wants to skip that fact is just ignoring the elephant in the room.

Sure, people could cheerfully discuss the merits of the latest player linked by some 12 year old on twitter and nothing else, but the reason the discussion keeps coming back to the lack of signings is because people know it is important.

It's not so much the lack of discussion. It's the constant giving out because one or two teams have signed players and we haven't that annoys people I think. Everyone knows we need players but we aren't going to sign them right now because our manager is at the World Cup and to be fair, it's only June. So going day to day calling the club a disgrace or a joke because we haven't signed anyone is a bit daft really. It's like people wake up at 8am, check to see if we've signed someone, then complain about it for the day when they see other transfers being done. I'll worry at the tail end of August if we've nothing done but there's more to the summer than giving out about a transfer not being done because the rags are playing on the United fans desperation for a signing.

bucketybuck · 12-06-2014 11:25PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

So going day to day calling the club a disgrace or a joke because we haven't signed anyone is a bit daft really. It's like people wake up at 8am, check to see if we've signed someone, then complain about it for the day when they see other transfers being done.

Nobody is doing this, and it doesn't help your point to exaggerate like that.

Different people give their opinions at different times, there is no one person constantly giving out about the lack of signings, and certainly nobody going day to day calling the club a disgrace or a joke because we haven't signed anyone. Just because somebody said it once does not mean its happening constantly.

Neeson · 12-06-2014 11:30PM

At this rate of going there might be something to be said for that Cattermole signing!

UnitedIrishman · 12-06-2014 11:37PM

So, Costa completes his medical.... Can united start buying players now another side has?

Del bosque and pique apparently confirming, by accident, fabregas done to Chelsea.

Costa and fabregas, and united sitting on their hands like usual. Fecking insane.

In fairness, he is probably hard at work on some more sponsorship deals, they're the important things.

That and it's a World Cup year, always tough to do deals.

For such a big club, ran so well commercially it really is a farce how we manage the on the pitch stuff.

If it is Chelsea he's gone to they don't even need him ffs. I think what makes it even worse is never mind the fact we seriously need a player or two in that position but he was shown the door we wanted him last year what **** changed?

What is it with United and transfer windows.

Unless Fabregas is coming to us and Woodward has just played his cards close to his chest...

We are being left in City and Chelsea's wake...even Liverpool are strengthening while we just f..k around.

Why isn't the Shaw deal done yet?

bucketybuck wrote: »

Nobody is doing this, and it doesn't help your point to exaggerate like that.

Different people give their opinions at different times, there is no one person constantly giving out about the lack of signings, and certainly nobody going day to day calling the club a disgrace or a joke because we haven't signed anyone. Just because somebody said it once does not mean its happening constantly.

Really? That was in the space of a couple of days. There's been more since that I can't be bothered going through to quote.

Now does that help my point?

Edit: anyways I'm not going to point out anymore giving out (because it'll end up being a long winded argument derailing the thread), just saying it gets tedious.

RobertKK · 12-06-2014 11:40PM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

That would be the Express that Wednesday said we were bidding £56m for Cavani and then Thursday said we pulled the plug because of his wage demands. It's a rag.

They use mystic Meg, she isn't very mystic and not sure if her name is Meg, but wrong with rumours, wrong with extreme weather predictions, and wrong if one buys that paper.

TheDoc · 12-06-2014 11:57PM

If the likes of Schweinsteiget, Hummel's,Shaw and potentially Kroos are on a magical list...I can somewhat understand why things are taking time.

I don't think we are in for anyone obviously looking to leave their respective club bar Shaw.

13-06-2014 02:46AM

I'd like to see Carvalho come in for a circa £20m price, should have promised the world to Fabregas if that's what it took but he's gone now and Chelsea are going to win the league. There are a tonne of players out there who would fit the bill but none are going to come in and be world beaters unless you are getting a Kroos or before today a Fabregas. I would be happy to shift all the dead weight and while the team are good enough to make the CL I'm not going in with the expectation of doing so which I think I may have if Moyes had stayed and gotten the business done by now. LVG better not just be fully focusing on Holland now because while I'm one of the more patient fans on here I think, if it makes it to mid July and he hasn't even started yet it could be problematic. Going to just enjoy the WC in the meantime and see though.

Mitch Connor · 13-06-2014 06:57AM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

That would be the Express that Wednesday said we were bidding £56m for Cavani and then Thursday said we pulled the plug because of his wage demands. It's a rag.

No, that would be the express that said on tuesday that TUTTOSPORT were reporting a bid for Cavani.

duffman13 · 13-06-2014 07:04AM

Depressing looking at that Chelsea thread. They sell Luiz and Mata and have replaced them with Zouma, Cesc, Matic and soon to be Costa. Kinda makes me question my optimism in this summer's transfer window.

Crimson King · 13-06-2014 07:05AM

At this stage any positive news on transfers is welcome. No news is certainly not good news

Deiseboy01 · 13-06-2014 07:34AM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

It's not so much the lack of discussion. It's the constant giving out because one or two teams have signed players and we haven't that annoys people I think. Everyone knows we need players but we aren't going to sign them right now because our manager is at the World Cup and to be fair, it's only June. So going day to day calling the club a disgrace or a joke because we haven't signed anyone ris a bit daft really. It's like people wake up at 8am, check to see if we've signed someone, then complain about it for the day when they see other transfers being done. I'll worry at the tail end of August if we've nothing done but there's more to the summer than giving out about a transfer not being done because the rags are playing on the United fans desperation for a signing.

This is exactly spot on.

bucketybuck · 13-06-2014 07:36AM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Really? That was in the space of a couple of days. There's been more since that I can't be bothered going through to quote.

Now does that help my point?

Edit: anyways I'm not going to point out anymore giving out (because it'll end up being a long winded argument derailing the thread), just saying it gets tedious.

Did you even read my post? "Different people give their opinions at different times, there is no one person..."

Quoting posts from a bunch of different posters does not help your point at all, it helps mine.

ericzeking · 13-06-2014 07:39AM

We have one of the highest profile, most respected coaches in the game who has a rep for being quite the harda$$....whatever needs to get done, will get done, there is no other option really whether that's one new player or 5 new players I don't know, but I trust LVG to know a lot more about who we need to sign and when we need to sign them than any of us.

It might even be that he signs just one player, but he improves and cajoles a number of existing players to play to their potential on a regular basis.

What we need is a good team, what we want is lots of shiney new players.

LVG will get it right, I'm confident of that and sure if not we'll give him the boot...cos that's the way we roll!!

Cookiemunster · 13-06-2014 07:52AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No, that would be the express that said on tuesday that TUTTOSPORT were reporting a bid for Cavani.

So an unreliable rag that uses an unreliable Italian source for a story prints unsubstantiated rumours about Utds transfer activities and you use it as a source for another rant against the club.

Iseedeadpixels · 13-06-2014 07:55AM

Anyone reckon LVG will copy his style of play with the Dutch team to United? Be interesting tonight to see how Holland play.

Mitch Connor · 13-06-2014 08:03AM

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Anyone reckon LVG will copy his style of play with the Dutch team to United? Be interesting tonight to see how Holland play.

No.

They played 433 through qualification I believe, and are switching to 352/532 now, due to the injury to strootman mainly - so if it shows anything it shows LVG plays to what he percieves as the strength of the players at his disposal rather than a set formation the players have to bend to.

From reading interviews with him, he subscribes to a way of playing football and terms of tempo and pressing, but the formation itself is fluid.

Lucas Hood · 13-06-2014 08:09AM

352/532 is something I called for last season but I can't see Lvg using it with United regularly.

KH25 · 13-06-2014 08:10AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

352/532 is something I called for last season with but I can't see Lvg using it with United regularly.

We lack the players to use it.

Lucas Hood · 13-06-2014 08:17AM

KH25 wrote: »

We lack the players to use it.

Don't agree with that at all.

De Gea
Rafael Evans Smalling Jones Evra
Carrick Fellaini
Mata
Rooney Rvp

KH25 · 13-06-2014 08:18AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Don't agree with that at all.
De Gea
Rafael Evans Smalling Jones Evra
Carrick Fellaini
Mata
Rooney Rvp

Sorry, I meant 3/5/2. Our defence isn't solid enough for that IMO.

MagicIRL · 13-06-2014 08:22AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Don't agree with that at all.
De Gea
Rafael Evans Smalling Jones Evra
Carrick Fellaini
Mata
Rooney Rvp

De Gea
Rafael Evans Hummels Jones Shaw
Strootman Fellaini
Mata
Rooney Rvp

Can't see us not signing a few players tbh.

Lucas Hood · 13-06-2014 08:22AM

KH25 wrote: »

Sorry, I meant 3/5/2. Our defence isn't solid enough for that IMO.

352/532 are essentially the same thing . You've generally got 3 at the back when in possession but when you lose it your wingbacks drop further back to make a 5.

duffman13 · 13-06-2014 08:22AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Don't agree with that at all.
De Gea
Rafael Evans Smalling Jones Evra
Carrick Fellaini
Mata
Rooney Rvp

I think we have the players to use it aswell. I don't think it's the best system for us or the league however. I think LVG switched to this system solely because of Strootmans injury. Strootman naturally dropped in as an extra defender when the Dutch don't have the ball hence the switch now to a back 3/5

Lucas Hood · 13-06-2014 08:23AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

De Gea
Rafael Evans Hummels Jones Shaw
Strootman Fellaini
Mata
Rooney Rvp

Can't see us not signing a few players tbh.

He said we didn't have the players to use the system I just showed we did.

Mitch Connor · 13-06-2014 08:23AM

KH25 wrote: »

Sorry, I meant 3/5/2. Our defence isn't solid enough for that IMO.

Both formations are basically the same from LVGs point of view, it is just the positioning of the wing backs whether defending or attacking that changes what you might want to call the fomation.

Similarly, his 433 and 343 formations can be the same in terms of players, with a defender pushing into midfield if the pattern of the game needs/allows it.

MagicIRL · 13-06-2014 08:23AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

He said we didn't have the players to use the system I just showed we did.

Reckon signing players would still use that position or move to something else?

duffman13 · 13-06-2014 08:24AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

De Gea
Rafael Evans Hummels Jones Shaw
Strootman Fellaini
Mata
Rooney Rvp

Can't see us not signing a few players tbh.

If we sign Strootman we won't play that system. I would however be delighted if we signed those three players.

Spazdarn · 13-06-2014 08:43AM

duffman13 wrote: »

If we sign Strootman we won't play that system. I would however be delighted if we signed those three players.

Hummels and Strootman are by no means certain to want to come to United...

MagicIRL · 13-06-2014 08:45AM

“What do we need to do? They are the number one team in the rankings and we are number 15, so it is very important we play a compact game when the opponent has the ball and when we have possession we have to skip stations. But it won’t be easy because of the resistance of the Spanish team,’ said Van Gaal, who defended the approach taken by his predecessor Bert Van Marwijk in the 2010 decider.

“I believe that physical resistance is part and parcel of football, part of the profession. There is a referee who will point out what the limits are. The team four years ago didn’t cross the line,’ said Van Gaal.

“I think the physical struggle is part of football, part of sport, and if you watch our training you can see it for yourself.”

This afternoon could be more a tactical struggle than a physical one, and Spain look equipped to come out on top by the narrowest of margins.

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/holland-netherlands-preview-world-cup-1514676-Jun2014/

Look for some bite in United next season!

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