Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

Deiseboy01 · 12-06-2014 11:38AM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/11/wayne-rooney-england-italy-world-cup-2014

Interesting to read hus comments about Italian defenders not liking a high tempo. Surely England cant be planning on tearing around in jungle conditions?

Early exit beckons if they are.

Deiseboy01 · 12-06-2014 11:39AM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/11/wayne-rooney-england-italy-world-cup-2014

Interesting to read hus comments about Italian defenders not liking a high tempo. Surely England cant be planning on tearing around in jungle conditions?

Early exit beckons if they are.

TheDoc · 12-06-2014 11:40AM

glued wrote: »

I agree with the first bit although the second bit is a bit incorrect as Di Maria has played his best stuff in a midfield three and has been Argentina and Real Madrid's best player doing that IMO.

It was more an illustrative point in terms of form versus defined class.

In the event they both played the same position, do you go with the current in form Di Maria, or the somewhat outof form Messi, but who is just simply a name you can't fathom dropping.

Sterling has had a good season with Liverpool, but is utterly untested at this level. There is genuine calls in England for a front three consisting of Sterling on the right, Sturridge in the middle and Rooney out left.

Maybe it's as many European coaches, commentators and footballers say, English footballers simply don't have the ego and self confidence required in order to be the best.

Could you imagine Zlatan being told to play out left. Look at how Cavani is ruffling feathers about his unhappyness playing out of position. And he's argueably looking to usurp the best striker in Europe.

When playing centrally, Rooney get's into a stride that's unstoppable. We have seen it before. He can focus his energy working up front and causing damage.

I think, as an opponnent player/manager, you'd be happy to see Rooney out wide or playing deep, rather then working accross the back four as a striker/forward.

although in all reality, if the England manager did what the press and public thought was a good idea, they'd never qualify for a major tournament

bucketybuck · 12-06-2014 11:40AM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

built completely around him. He was pretty much the center point of all our attacks, with the ball constantly going through him, and often players were played out of position to accommodate him. Of course he then got goals and assists.

The team was built around him, and was poorer for it in my opinion. I cannot forget that run of games in Jan/Feb where Rooney and Van Persie were only passing to each other once or twice per game, an absolutely criminal statistic from what is supposed to be the creative fulcrum and the striker at one of the games biggest clubs.

MagicIRL · 12-06-2014 11:41AM

TheTownie wrote: »

RVP. Source

RVP could easily play until he's 40, barring any major injury set backs during his 30s. He's like Zlatan in the sense that Zlatan relies on talent and ability more than anything, same with RVP.

Spazdarn · 12-06-2014 11:43AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

RVP could easily play until he's 40, barring any major injury set backs during his 30s. He's like Zlatan in the sense that Zlatan relies on talent and ability more than anything, same with RVP.

RVP by his own admission has been injured for the last 6 years. I can't see him hitting 40

TheDoc · 12-06-2014 11:43AM

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Interesting to read hus comments about Italian defenders not liking a high tempo. Surely England cant be planning on tearing around in jungle conditions?

Early exit beckons if they are.

GNev was a bit upset last night as one of the rags got a photo of him reading a tactics sheet. On it was planned tactics to play against the Italians, that specifically outlined pressing high and fast, and when in possession being patient and calculated.

Counter attacking when breaking up Italian play high up the pitch.

Although there was no mention of it specifically, the rag went with a big biteline " England tactics against Italy to play like Liverpool".

Really getting tired of this sickafantic love affair going on at the moment. Also love how I'm sure questions will be asked of "Why would you publish something that will directly hamper the teams preperations" to which they will defend how its their duty to get information for the "fans".

Typical English rags, all mad supporting the team, while bit by bit ripping it asunder.

bucketybuck · 12-06-2014 11:44AM

zerks wrote: »

Any more word on Carvalho? He had a 98% pass success against Ireland,the only pass he missed was a through ball to Ronaldo.

They brought a sub on in the second half, a winger who looked very, very impressive. We need to replace the likes of Young and Valencia, I wonder who that guy was?

TheDoc · 12-06-2014 11:45AM

RVP's game as mentioned above is built around movement and powerful finishing. Pace is just nt part of his game.

While he may wish to play until he is 40, I don't think it will be at a top level unfortunately. Would love to be proven wrong, but the amount of injuries he has had will take it's toll, and to play until 40 he will probably need to drop down a level or two.

The horrific thing is it's definitly going to be a guy that when he retires, you'll look back and wonder what could have been. He really could have shattered some records.

Lord TSC · 12-06-2014 11:46AM

ericzeking wrote: »

I agree with you almost completely...I'd have Rooney up top with Matagawa behind though...I don't think RVP tried a leg for us last year, he scored a few alright but his overall demeanour was of disinterest.

RVP scored nearly as many as Rooney did nd in less games played in fairness. He didn't have the assists, but then RVP was a striker and Rooney was playing as the #10. When given chances, he finished them and a huge part of his problem came from the utter lack of creativity coming out of our midfield.

As for his demeanour, I'm not excusing it. But he signed for United to play for Fergie, had the team built around him, and won the league at a canter. And then the manager left, was replaced by one with far less experience and credentials, saw the team built around someone else and saw the team suffer, and by all accounts seemed to be prepared to be shipped out as well. That would hurt most people's mood. And yet when he played, he still preformed very well and scored as many goals as Rooney.

I have a feeling that when he's back for a manager he respects, and who will play to his strength and build the team round him again, we're going to see RVP's demenour change again...

The team was built around him (WR) yes and I agree he had little more than a very decent season but I'm defending him from the point of view that guys are slating him about wages, team ethic, captaincy credentials etc....I thought he showed excellent application at such a difficult time, many just threw it in.

I guess I just think there has to be a distinction between showing leadership qualities and showing effective leadership qualities; Rooney was great at running round and screaming at people. But rarely did I feel he was actually motivating his team mates, getting them to fight and show passion, rallying the troops....something a good captain needs to be doing. I'd personally argue that it was telling that as Rooney tried to lead the team, many seemed to look at him and respond "**** off!"....

ADarkKnight88 · 12-06-2014 11:47AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

They brought a sub on in the second half, a winger who looked very, very impressive. We need to replace the likes of Young and Valencia, I wonder who that guy was?

Was it that lad Rafa, who plays with Braga?

TheTownie · 12-06-2014 11:47AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

They brought a sub on in the second half, a winger who looked very, very impressive. We need to replace the likes of Young and Valencia, I wonder who that guy was?

Vieirinha, 28, winger for Wolfsburg

TheDoc · 12-06-2014 11:49AM

Twitter has some WC fanfare stuff, where you can support "your" country and it changes your profile and bits to that countries colours.

German home kit with Kroos 18 arrived yesterday, the sexy lil dirt.

Have gone full German, gwan Toni you mad ****!

Timmyctc · 12-06-2014 11:53AM

ADarkKnight88 wrote: »

Was it that lad Rafa, who plays with Braga?

It was Nani :pac:

Spazdarn · 12-06-2014 11:55AM

One thing I hate about the World Cup is the lack of transfer rumours of unbelievable players who have no intention of coming to United to make everything ok again.

kryogen · 12-06-2014 12:08PM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

One thing I hate about the World Cup is the lack of transfer rumours of unbelievable players who have no intention of coming to United to make everything ok again.

We are signing Suarez you know.

MagicIRL · 12-06-2014 12:12PM

kryogen wrote: »

We are signing Suarez you know.

BBC's gossip column today say's we've already bid for Athletico's Miranda on a four year deal! At 29! :pac:

Spazdarn · 12-06-2014 12:13PM

kryogen wrote: »

We are signing Suarez you know.

Thanks man, appreciate it!

Spazdarn · 12-06-2014 12:15PM

Why aren't we putting your hat in for Fabregas, Carrick was terrible after returning from injury last season.

Maximus Alexander · 12-06-2014 12:29PM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Why aren't we putting your hat in for Fabregas, Carrick was terrible after returning from injury last season.

Because I love my hat, put your own in!

Cookiemunster · 12-06-2014 12:38PM

This tweet says everything about transfer rumours

Daniel Storey ‏@danielstorey85 2m

Express June11: "United to break bank with £56m Cavani bid"
Express June12: "United SNUB Cavani move over wage demands"
Or you got it wrong.

Pro. F · 12-06-2014 01:09PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

People always seem to bring up his performance, but personally, I feel he achieved the minimum a player should when a team the stature of United is built completely around him. He was pretty much the center point of all our attacks, with the ball constantly going through him, and often players were played out of position to accommodate him. Of course he then got goals and assists.

But that doesn't mean he should be who the team should be built around, and doesn't mean it shouldn't be questioned as to his ability when he plays the supporting role. I'd personally much prefer to see RVP with Mata or Kagawa behind him than Rooney.

If the team was built around him then he would have been playing in his best position. Or at the very least, he would have had a hard working, athletic CF to make space for him. The team wasn't even slightly built around him.

Pro. F · 12-06-2014 01:18PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

RVP scored nearly as many as Rooney did nd in less games played in fairness. He didn't have the assists, but then RVP was a striker and Rooney was playing as the #10.

You bring up the fact that Rooney was playing as #10 when talking about assists, but you don't bring up the fact that RvP was playing as a CF when talking about goals.

Mitch Connor · 12-06-2014 01:43PM

Pro. F wrote: »

You bring up the fact that Rooney was playing as #10 when talking about assists, but you don't bring up the fact that RvP was playing as a CF when talking about goals.

I haven;t checked - but i'm convinced a good percentage of his assists came from set pieces (frees and corners) and crosses from wide. It deosn't devalue the assist itself I suppose, but it doesn't show that he is creative, which is the reason I dislike him at 10. He works hard, and spreads play, but he rarely will unlock a defence a packed defence with quick feet and vision, which is what I want from my 10.

TheDoc · 12-06-2014 02:00PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I haven;t checked - but i'm convinced a good percentage of his assists came from set pieces (frees and corners) and crosses from wide. It deosn't devalue the assist itself I suppose, but it doesn't show that he is creative, which is the reason I dislike him at 10. He works hard, and spreads play, but he rarely will unlock a defence a packed defence with quick feet and vision, which is what I want from my 10.

That my "perception" of Rooney to be fair, not sure if it's actually the truth.

But if I had to pick between Mata, Rooney and Kagawa for the #10 role I'd go

Mata
Kagawa
Rooney

In that order

Lord TSC · 12-06-2014 02:02PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I haven;t checked - but i'm convinced a good percentage of his assists came from set pieces (frees and corners) and crosses from wide. It deosn't devalue the assist itself I suppose, but it doesn't show that he is creative, which is the reason I dislike him at 10. He works hard, and spreads play, but he rarely will unlock a defence a packed defence with quick feet and vision, which is what I want from my 10.

Yeah, I would agree there. I remember one game where he got two assists, but both were free kicks which a keeper got a touch on and someone knocked them in, as opposed to actually trying to feed it to people. It's why taking simply the stat and no context simply isn't always a good idea....

Vic Vinegar · 12-06-2014 02:08PM

One Rooney assist (not from a set piece) i think of straight away was his long lofted pass to RVP for that lovely volley. Struggling to think of more from open play.

bangkok · 12-06-2014 02:17PM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

One Rooney assist (not from a set piece) i think of straight away was his long lofted pass to RVP for that lovely volley. Struggling to think of more from open play.

that's because it was an unreal goal, your never going to remember a simple pass for a goal...

Mitch Connor · 12-06-2014 02:19PM

bangkok wrote: »

that's because it was an unreal goal, your never going to remember a simple pass for a goal...

Indeed - i'm sure there are a few assists that aren't set pieces or crosses, but i'd be surprised if any showed amazing craft of vision, ones that would make you think 'what a ****ing assist!'.

keane2097 · 12-06-2014 02:23PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Indeed - i'm sure there are a few assists that aren't set pieces or crosses, but i'd be surprised if any showed amazing craft of vision, ones that would make you think 'what a ****ing assist!'.

Some of them early in the season were "fantasy football" assists where Rooney had a shot that pinged around the box before being turned in.

Means he was causing problems but not really the hallmark of classic #10 play, neither is taking shots into a crowded box a sign of an attacking set up that's doing well at unlocking defences.

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